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It will take more than superiority on paper to beat the iPad

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that with the iPad selling so well over its opening weekend that we will have loads of competing tablet computers coming to market very soon. One of the tablet machines that we heard about back at CES in January was the HP Slate.

The first glimpse we caught of the Slate is when Microsoft's Steve Ballmer showed the device off during his CES keynote speech. Some are already calling the Slate an iPad killer and whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen. 
InformationWeek reports that some of the key features that users are bemoaning the lack of on the iPad are front and center on the Slate. Things like support for Flash, a camera, SD card slot, and USB connectivity are all featured on the Slate.

InformationWeek also reports that HP released a video of the Slate in action this week that was a scant 30 seconds, but offered enough details to stoke some geek lust in many. The video of the device emphasizes the Windows 7 operating system, which makes the HP Slate much more extendable and open than the iPad. HP is still mum on when we might expect the Slate to hit the market, though it is widely expected to land this fall.

Engadget has a slick chart that shows the difference between the key features of the HP tablet and the iPad. On paper at least it appears that the Slate has the muscle to defeat the iPad. The HP Slate will reportedly cost $549, run a 1.63 GHz Atom Z530 processor, and have five hours of battery life. That is about half the run time that the iPad promises. The Slate also has a smaller 8.9-inch screen compared to the iPad's 9.7-inch screen and a 1024 x 768 screen resolution. 

The base iPad 16GB model is also about $50 cheaper than the entry-level HP Slate. The main ingredient that the HP Slate lacks is the might of the Apple marketing machine and the hoards of fanatically loyal users that Apple boasts.

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The ipad...
By MrBlastman on 4/6/2010 10:31:59 AM , Rating: 5
Doesn't need to be killed... it is dead already, to me at least.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 12:07:53 PM , Rating: 5
LOL, quoting POTENTIAL sales figures for something that just released. Yeah, we all know the projections are ALWAYS accurate.

List of iPad problems.

Here is a link to a list of customer complaints about the iPad so far.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By Alexstarfire on 4/6/2010 1:15:46 PM , Rating: 4
Funny, as always Reader1. Keep up the good work. :)

RE: The ipad...
By 67STANG on 4/6/2010 1:17:55 PM , Rating: 4
reader1: Put the Kool-Aid down.

The HP slate has this thing beat on everything except battery life. Of course, that's probably because it has a 600MHz advantage on the CPU end (and likely, a more robust graphics CPU). I'm thinking that one could underclock this thing all they down to the iPad's relatively slow 1GHz and gain a few hours of battery life.

You must first ask yourself, "Why does the Slate need a 1.6GHz processor, when the iPad makes due with a 1GHZ processor?" The answer is simple: the Slate can do more-- and do it faster.

For $50 more you get a real OS, USB port, camera, and a card slot-- you know, the things that the iPad should have come with... The Slate looks better too, IMHO.

If I were in the market for a tablet, which I'm not (I already have 2 workstations, 1 notebook, 1 netbook and an iPhone), then I would definitely buy a Slate. But then again, I'm an educated consumer that isn't swayed with BS buzzwords like "magical" or "revolutionary".

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By kake on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By teldar on 4/6/2010 5:18:34 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you know that Apple is the only company that has the ability to create and expand?
MS is apparently bound to do only what they have done in the past.

There is no improvement without Apple.
Apple gives all.
Apple is all.

At least if you're reader1

RE: The ipad...
By borismkv on 4/6/2010 7:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Windows 7 has mad some significant improvements on Tablet style interfaces. It provides multi-touch capability and has a much improved on-screen keyboard. I doubt it's going to have the issues related to XP and Vista in the tablet arena.

RE: The ipad...
By rocky12345 on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By damianrobertjones on 4/14/2010 9:26:56 AM , Rating: 1
Have you used the Windows 7 Touch features? Did you change the dpi to 125%? I have and... it works VERY well.

RE: The ipad...
By atlmann10 on 4/9/2010 1:23:50 AM , Rating: 2
As far as that comparison goes it would cost $100 if you had to buy 7, which I would do with an iPad anyway, well if I actually had $500 to waste on a paperweight anyway!

Here is another good quote on the iGotPlaid

"Nevertheless, we agree with iFixit that, on a hardware level, "there's not much revolutionary here." Apple has essentially built a triple-layer, package-on-package custom chip using off-the-shelf components. Like the company does for the rest of its computing product, it takes something that's readily available in the technology marketplace and layers it with custom software to provide a markedly different experience."

RE: The ipad...
By seamonkey79 on 4/6/2010 1:31:09 PM , Rating: 1
Prevented PCs from advancing?

The what?

RE: The ipad...
By gralex on 4/6/2010 1:39:42 PM , Rating: 5
Old fart that I am, my better judgment is telling me not to get in a war of words with the legend that is reader1.

However said old fart remembers a time before laptops, when pretty much all PCs were custom built. If I had to define the moment PCs went from "geeks" to homes, it would have to be windows98&98SE copied on CD-R. In hindsight MS wasn't even trying to stop piracy. And boy did THAT relaxed attitude pay off! Sure it was probably premeditated but as a matter of pushing things forward... I think MS should get more credit for the years between 1995-2002.

Had Sociopath Steve been the one calling the shots, I think it would be safe to say that computers would have had a much slower evolution.

RE: The ipad...
By cochy on 4/6/2010 10:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think MS should get more credit for the years between 1995-2002.

Steve Jobs said in an interview while he was working at Pixar that Apple had a 10 year technology lead on MS in the late 80s early 90s but by the time Windows 95 came out they had blown by Apple.

RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 2:54:58 PM , Rating: 3
What good is an IPS panel if the screen has so much glare that you need to be in a dark environment?

Ease of use? The damn thing must be extremely difficult to type on.

Apps run circles around web sites? Reports have been that they have been VERY buggy, and they are much more expensive than iPhone apps! YAY!

RE: The ipad...
By JAB on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/7/2010 2:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
The screen glare has been widely complained about.

The WIFI on the device is poor.

There are sites that use flash for more than Ads.

I don't want to have to use a remote desktop and a VPN JUST to go to a site that uses flash, that's just stupid.

RE: The ipad...
By atlmann10 on 4/9/2010 1:27:19 AM , Rating: 2
Not to mention if you take it outside it will overheat, of course you can't read it in a lit room much less outside!

RE: The ipad...
By rocky12345 on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By Senju on 4/6/2010 11:38:57 PM , Rating: 1
I complete agree with Reader 1.
iPAD rules!!!
I am waiting for the 3G version to come out.
I may get for my Mom as well. :-)
We are seeing yet another great milestone in human history revolution.

RE: The ipad...
By cheetah2k on 4/8/2010 9:53:21 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a link to a list of customer complaints about the iPad so far.

Its ok, Apple will release a number of OS fixes and updates..... which every ipad user will have to pay for!

Imagine these figures - say eg. 300,000 ipads on the first day x $15 for each updates (and I'm sure an update will come soon!) = $4.5M....

Everything the iPad stands for is revenue.. I'll take the HP slate thankyou, which has pretty much endless end user support and updates for free.

RE: The ipad...
By ieskorp on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By kamel5547 on 4/6/2010 2:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
Funny because once the first day sales number came out the target dropped like a rock (its about 3 million as of this morning). Good cherry picking of the sales estimate, as the highest estiamte was the iSuppli one based on 600-799k in first day sales (I find it mildly funny that iSuppli has the highest estimate for the iPad).

Wall Street Journal (I believe this to be the source, but it could be Barron's) managed to quote someone in line (yesterday's Journal or this weeks Barron's) saying that if Apple made a microwave for $1,000 they would buy that too. Lots of quotes of people saying they were die hard fans, I'd like to see how sales stack up over the next couple weeks when the number of Apple fans will already have purchased theirs.

RE: The ipad...
By Gungel on 4/6/2010 10:46:47 AM , Rating: 5
What kills the iPad is all the subscription based services. You can easily add another $50 per month just to get your newspaper, magazines, TV-shows and other subscription based services. The future for me is less subscriptions. I already got read of my landline phone, cut down on cable content, canceled my local new papers and all magazine subscriptions. The internet is my free media hub.
It becomes now very clear what the real reason us behind Apples anti flash stance. Its content control to fill apples money bags.

RE: The ipad...
By Gungel on 4/6/2010 10:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
got "rid" not "read"

RE: The ipad...
By xsilver on 4/6/2010 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
This HP thing looks way thicker than the ipad and even with the z530 cpu is killed in battery life.

The key in this sector I believe as usual will be price - If they can get it down to cheap netbook pricing, then many people would be interested because a good proportion of people using netbooks only use them for general surfing/viewing which is perfect for a no keyboard device.

RE: The ipad...
By Drag0nFire on 4/6/2010 11:19:44 AM , Rating: 2
Also key in this sector is the "instant on" capability. More powerful machines running Win7 are bound to fail in this area, a great strength for the iPad. This is one of those silly features that looks silly on paper (why can't you wait 10 seconds for Windows to come out of suspend?) but actually matters a ton to consumers.

RE: The ipad...
By Spivonious on 4/6/2010 11:23:55 AM , Rating: 2
Win7 comes out of sleep in <5 seconds ready to go on my desktop. With solid-state storage I imagine this would be even faster.

With that said, HP better be working on extending the battery life. I have heard lots of people saying that the 10 hour battery life is a major reason they're considering the iPad over a similarly priced netbook or laptop.

RE: The ipad...
By reader1 on 4/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: The ipad...
By weskurtz0081 on 4/6/2010 12:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's also cool that you can charge your iPad from a PC's USB port..... oh wait, you can't, you can only do that off of an Apple product! No App for that!

RE: The ipad...
By gralex on 4/6/2010 1:56:08 PM , Rating: 3
But if I DO buy the custom-iPad-dongle-thingy, will I be able to connect my Apple to my peach?

RE: The ipad...
By Anoxanmore on 4/6/2010 4:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
Only while wearing a black turtle-neck sweater with too short jeans ; - )

RE: The ipad...
By 2bdetermine on 4/6/2010 12:55:48 PM , Rating: 3
Where had you been all this time?
Living in a cave!
Ever heard of surface computing?

Do a search Microsoft Courier for a demo.

RE: The ipad...
By clovell on 4/6/2010 1:45:19 PM , Rating: 4
HP has assets and product line diversity that Apple couldn't hold a candle to. If it comes to an all-out price war, HP can eat them for breakfast.

Think, dammit.

RE: The ipad...
By DFranch on 4/6/2010 6:51:57 PM , Rating: 2
I've never heard somebody brag that a company made a substantial profit from their purchase. Silly me, I'm always trying to get a good deal on things. I never considered the advantages to me of Apple making a 50% - 100% profit on purchases I make. I think I'll go out any buy an Mac, iPhone and an iPad. Thank you for showing me that it is better if Steve Jobs has all of my money.

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/2010 11:23:44 AM , Rating: 2
According to the spec sheet from engadget the Slate is .07 inches thicker than the iPad.

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 11:33:08 AM , Rating: 5
Wait, what?
this device will measure 9.2" x 5.7" x 0.6"
If this is 0.7" thicker that means the iPad is -.1" thick? :o I guess that IS magical!!

RE: The ipad...
By nbachman on 4/6/2010 11:37:16 AM , Rating: 2
My first post was correct, 0.07 inches thicker. The author rounded up to 0.6, its 0.57 inches thick compared to the iPads 0.5.

RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 12:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
lol. np, it was obviously a mistake to say it's 0.7" thicker and it gave me a chance to make the 'magical' joke :D

RE: The ipad...
By troysavary on 4/6/2010 8:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
The Slate and the iPad are, for all intents and purposes, the same thinkness. The .07 of an inch if negligable. The iPad only looks thinner in pics because it uses the same trick as the Macbook Air, being thinner at the edges than the middle. This, in the iPad, has the unfortunate side effect of giving it a slightly convex back, making it a bit awkward to easily slide under the arm and hold it well, since it is also a little slippery. Worse, though, it means it rocks slightly when laid flat, making it a PITA to ype on when laying on a table. Not sure who they hired for ergonomic design, but I would fire him.

RE: The ipad...
By MadMan007 on 4/6/2010 9:33:36 PM , Rating: 3
They already fired him, if anyone even ever held that position. It's not designed for ergonomic superiority, it's designed to look pretty.

RE: The ipad...
By eddieroolz on 4/7/2010 2:21:49 AM , Rating: 2
Exatly, my friend.

"We shipped it on Saturday. Then on Sunday, we rested." -- Steve Jobs on the iPad launch
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