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"Mac OS X is like living in a farmhouse in the country with no locks, and Windows is living in a house with bars on the windows in the bad part of town."

The battle between Microsoft and Apple in the computing market has raged on for decades. While Microsoft has a commanding lead in the operating system market with Windows, Apple isn't exactly backing down with OS X -- in fact, the Cupertino-based company continues to grab market share and a large portion of the $1,000+ computing market.

When Windows and OS X users get into arguments on the web, Windows users often point to OS X's tiny market share while OS X users point to how vulnerable Windows operating systems have been in the past to exploits. However, according to security guru Charlie Miller, OS X users should subscribe to the idea that "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Miller claims to have found no less than 20 zero-day exploits within OS X. Miller will present the exploits at CanSecWest next week in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Miller told Heise Security, "Mac OS X is like living in a farmhouse in the country with no locks, and Windows is living in a house with bars on the windows in the bad part of town."

"They sell lots of computers and nobody [shies away from] Apple computers because of a perceived lack of security," Miller added. "So in their minds, they don't have a security problem until it affects their bottom line, which hasn't been the case, yet"

OS X has made the news plenty of times over the past year for security holes. Last June, Apple finally fixed a Java exploit which went unpatched for nearly a year. In late August, Apple shipped Snow Leopard with a version of Flash that was susceptible to outside attacks.

Miller also took Apple to task last year saying that security protections in OS X weren't quite up to par with Windows 7. He noted, "It's harder to write exploits for Windows than the Mac, but all you see are Windows exploits. That's because if [the hacker] can hit 90% of the machines out there, that's all he's gonna do. It's not worth him nearly doubling his work just to get that last 10%."



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RE: $1000+ Computers
By Pirks on 3/19/2010 12:47:28 PM , Rating: 1
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The average user does not need a 1000+ dollar machine these days
True, if you think in terms of BASIC needs than noone NEEDS luxury goods, all these nice slick expensive cars, good looking apartments/houses with lotsa nice electornics inside and stuff like that. People do NOT need it to survive but if they have extra money why not blow some? Why not blow on a luxury car or a luxury computer like Mac or something else? This has always been the case, it's called market segmentation, a lot of cheap mass consumption goods at the bottom of the pyramid and a few expensive luxury things at the top, either expensive brands like Apple or Lexus or some excuisite DIY things like gaming computers or LN cooled overclocked machines, stuff like that.

So yeah, average Joe mostly does not buy Macs, I agree with you. Not his market segment.

However, an average Joe with extra money to blow - that's a different story.


RE: $1000+ Computers
By omnicronx on 3/19/2010 1:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
True, if you think in terms of BASIC needs than noone NEEDS luxury goods, all these nice slick expensive cars, good looking apartments/houses with lotsa nice electornics inside and stuff like that.
You are taking things out of context. I'm not talking in terms of the need of a luxury product (in which by definition, cannot possibly be a need). The fact that sub 1000 dollar sales dwarf 1000+ dollar sales seems to indicate what the average user is willing to pay to perform their daily computer tasks.


RE: $1000+ Computers
By retrospooty on 3/19/2010 2:05:57 PM , Rating: 5
"You are taking things out of context"


Welcome to Anandtech/Dailytech. You obviously have not met up with Pirks before LOL ;)


RE: $1000+ Computers
By omnicronx on 3/19/2010 3:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
Who is this Pirks you speak of?


RE: $1000+ Computers
By steven975 on 3/19/2010 5:07:52 PM , Rating: 5
look for the hidden comments in red.


RE: $1000+ Computers
By crystal clear on 3/20/2010 1:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
The guy who lites up D.T. with his comments,raises the blood pressure of the Apple bashers.

He is like electricity to a bulb...he lites up !

Its a love hate relationship...they cannot live a day without pirks.

Its Pirks vs the rest....No fun without him.

Who cares about ratings or marked in RED....people simply enjoy every bit of Pirks.


RE: $1000+ Computers
By Alexstarfire on 3/20/2010 10:58:21 PM , Rating: 4
While I'm usually with you guys on Pirks, his posts for this article haven't been like the posts for almost every other article he comments for. I didn't even realize I was read a post from him until I wanted to see who one of the other posts was responding to. A pleasant surprise.


RE: $1000+ Computers
By Luticus on 3/22/2010 9:00:22 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you Alex, give the dude a chance!


RE: $1000+ Computers
By crystal clear on 3/20/2010 1:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
and Charlie Miller recommends- Go buy a MAC !


RE: $1000+ Computers
By crystal clear on 3/20/2010 1:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
Behind Pwn2Own: Exclusive Interview With Charlie Miller

Alan: So, if you had to make a recommendation, Mac, PC, or Linux? Or do you find them to be equally (in)secure?

Charlie: I'll leave Linux out of the equation since I know my grandma couldn't run it. Between Mac and PC, I'd say that Macs are less secure for the reasons we've discussed here (lack of anti-exploitation technologies) but are more safe because there simply isn't much malware out there. For now, I'd still recommend Macs for typical users as the odds of something targeting them are so low that they might go years without seeing any malware, even though if an attacker cared to target them it would be easier for them.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pwn2own-mac-ha...


RE: $1000+ Computers
By Alexstarfire on 3/20/2010 11:00:27 PM , Rating: 2
He pretty much said what most people on this forum have said. Security and safety aren't the same thing and that while Macs are safer (ATM) they aren't as secure.


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