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Microsoft drops another bombshell at MIX10

Two steps forward, one step back. That seems to be an emerging trend for Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 7 Series platform. The snazzy user interface, support for the XNA Framework/Silverlight/Adobe Flash 10.1, Windows Phone Marketplace, and plentiful device manufacturers to choose from are certainly pleasing to potential buyers. However, we're starting to learn a little bit more about the platform at MIX10 and it isn't all rosy.

Yesterday, we learned that Windows Phone 7 Series will not support true multitasking. Instead, the mobile operating system will support a push notification called Microsoft Notification Service (MNS). The MNS works almost exactly like the push notification system currently enabled on Apple's iPhone.

"How do you trade-off battery life at the same time? As soon as you allow arbitrary apps to do things in the background, it can run out the battery pretty quickly," said Microsoft's Scott Guthrie at a MIX10 roundtable according to Gizmodo.

Interestingly enough, Windows Mobile 6.x supports multitasking so it's a notable backwards move for the platform.

In another blow to power users -- and another feature that is present on current Windows Mobile smartphones -- is the news that copy and paste won't be supported initially at launch according to Engadget. Apple was lambasted for the lack of copy and paste on the iPhone and it wasn't until iPhone OS 3.0 that the feature was added to the smartphone. It's almost inconceivable that Microsoft would choose to show up late to the party (Q4 2010) without some semblance of copy and paste for its flagship mobile OS.

Microsoft hasn't ruled out that copy and paste may appear in later iterations of Windows Phone 7 Series operating system, but don't hold your breath expecting to see it in time for the Holiday '10 season.

Updated 3/17/2010 @ 6:32am EST
Engadget has confirmed that there is no copy and paste included in Windows Phone 7 Series:

We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality. We... respectfully disagree.



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RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/2010 8:55:35 PM , Rating: -1
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What double standard? WE ALL b!tched about the lack of C&P on the iPhone for two years.


Lmao yeah right. It was the greatest thing since Jesus Christ floating down on a slice of bread holding a plate of waffles.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/16/2010 9:05:11 PM , Rating: 3
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Lmao yeah right. It was the greatest thing since Jesus Christ floating down on a slice of bread holding a plate of waffles.


LMAO

That being said, I'm not exactly sure I understand your position here. Are you saying that copy and paste and multitasking shouldn't matter for Microsoft now because it was overlooked by the masses when the iPhone was released in 2007?

If yes, what do you say to copy and paste/multitasking on webOS/Android/iPhone (rumored upcoming multitasking)?


RE: What the hell is this?!
By crystal clear on 3/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: What the hell is this?!
By whiskerwill on 3/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: What the hell is this?!
By inighthawki on 3/16/2010 10:03:43 PM , Rating: 1
In a way I agree. Personally I don't understand the huge issue, but maybe it's because I don't use my phone religiously like some people do and expect it to function as the only thing I use throughout the entire day. With that in mind though, can someone please explain to be the big deal? I can't even think of one real instance on a phone where I would need this...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not by any means saying that it was the right idea to not include it or anything like that, I too find it incredibly stupid of Microsoft to ship a product this late without such a feature, but I still don't really understand the uproar...


RE: What the hell is this?!
By rudy on 3/17/2010 8:49:39 AM , Rating: 5
You see a phone number on a web page, chat, facebook, you copy it and paste it to call it anyone can find that useful. It is the most basic function of a computer that makes a computer better than a piece of paper. Not having it is rediculous and will in fact lose them at least me as a customer not only for the fact they missed it but for their inability to know what their customers want.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By michael2k on 3/17/2010 10:44:13 PM , Rating: 2
On an iPhone you just tap the number to call it. I suspect the WPSS devices will be similar.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Mitch101 on 3/17/2010 11:08:57 AM , Rating: 3
I'm wondering why everyone is such an uproar over a product that hasn't been released yet.

Copy and Paste can still be added before it ships.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By jconan on 3/16/2010 10:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
even on a non-smartphone like the SE W980, I use copy and paste very often from copying phone numbers in text message, to web address links to the browser as it reduces the number of steps to type. so copy and paste is definitely needed. microsoft would be very short sighted not to see this feature included as it is smartphone and it does support e-mail. no copy and paste for office on a windows phone 7, business users will scoff microsoft at this lacking feature and go with the ipad or iphone until resolved.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/16/2010 10:19:19 PM , Rating: 5
Uhh, I copy and paste phone numbers, email addresses, tracking numbers from emails, passages from articles, pictures, etc. Pretty much anything I'd do on my laptop.

It's not that hard to imagine, really.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By inighthawki on 3/16/2010 10:52:11 PM , Rating: 1
I suppose we have quite different uses for phones then. Sure I don't have a smart phone but if I did I don't think I'd be doing any of that stuff...


RE: What the hell is this?!
By semiconshawn on 3/17/2010 1:03:24 AM , Rating: 4
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Sure I don't have a smart phone but if I did I don't think I'd be doing any of that stuff...


That stuff being emailing, txting, calling, surfing, and basically using the smart phone? What exactly would you do with it?

Absolutely dumb of MS to release a phone OS with out cut and paste. Even if nobody used it the bad press apple got would be enough to make me include it just so I could check that feature box.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Mk4ever on 3/17/2010 2:12:15 AM , Rating: 3
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What exactly would you do with it?


Hint: smart phone, not phone


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Samus on 3/17/2010 5:16:44 AM , Rating: 2
Dudes, I agree with Brandon. If I couldn't copy and paste on my Blackberry I'd throw the fucking thing in the trash and just get some piece of shit Motorola. Because basically, thats one of the only reasons I have a smartphone.

Without C&P, my fancy address book, text messaging capabilities, email, and to some extend, calender, are crippled severely.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By grenableu on 3/17/2010 6:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
I use c&p, but I wouldn't exactly call it a drop dead feature. Useability and speed are the most important things.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/17/2010 6:38:39 AM , Rating: 2
The addition of copy and paste has made my iPhone indispensable. I used to have to run back to my laptop to do basic stuff like copy a portion of text to include in an email. Now I can pretty much do anything from my iPhone that I can do on my laptop (within reason). That is a big plus when you need to make quick edits on the go or simply "function as a laptop" in a pinch despite the limited screen real estate.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 9:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
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The addition of copy and paste has made my iPhone indispensable


But you still bought the iPhone before it was added, didn't you ?!? Don't lie !

See, that's my only point. I'm not saying it's cool the MS phone doesn't have it, but don't pretend that it's a dealbreaker. Because obviously it wasn't for you and millions of others.

That's why I called double standard.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/17/2010 9:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't buy an iPhone until the 3GS came out.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/17/2010 9:56:31 AM , Rating: 2
Let me add, before the iPhone, I had an iPod touch.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Akrovah on 3/17/2010 11:31:09 AM , Rating: 1
Thats not a double standard, thats called bitching about something you can't change but living with it anyway, as those who purchase a WinPho7 product knowing this info in advance will have do.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By thurston on 3/18/2010 8:42:46 PM , Rating: 1
What's it like being such a dick? Even you have to realize you're a dick. Don't lie.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By themaster08 on 3/17/2010 6:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
Basic functionality is much more important than speed. At least for me anyway.

For me personally, multitasking and copy and paste are some of the most fundamental features of a smartphone, that I have become very much accustomed to for the past 8 years of smartphone usage.

Without said features, such a phone is pretty much useless to me.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By PrezWeezy on 3/17/2010 4:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
It depends heavily on how the OS integrates things. For instance, I get a text message with an address to a house in it. How do I map that? Currently, I try to remember it, open google maps as quickly as possible and then type it in (because apparently Google is too damn stupid to add the "paste" function even though my Mogul supports it). If I could copy/paste it would be simple. I see a phone number on a web page (as mentioned by someone else) I want to call them. Now I have to do the same thing and memorize it to make the call. If the OS had some way of just giving me an option to map the address when it recognizes an address, or calling the number when I highlight it, I don't need copy/paste. As long as it's not doing those things it's a real pain.

I've always disliked the iPhone and I use WinMo now. I was super excited for the WinPhone 7 to come out, but it's looking more and more like a pointless device that MS should stop wasting money with right now. No SD cards, no copy/paste, no multitasking, capacitive screen, no app installation, the list keeps getting bigger. It's a damn iPhone by Microsoft! If I wanted an iPhone I'd get an iPhone, I don't have one because I want something different. So now I'm looking into Android and I'm not terribly impressed with it because it's trying to be an iPhone too. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!


RE: What the hell is this?!
By redbone75 on 3/18/2010 8:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
Not only that, MS' OWN current OS has all those features and has had those features for some time. How do go backwards from your own existing product? You don't take away something that your existing customer base has simply come to expect as part of the package.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By brshoemak on 3/16/2010 9:36:25 PM , Rating: 2
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Lmao yeah right. It was the greatest thing since Jesus Christ floating down on a slice of bread holding a plate of waffles.


^You must have been smoking something pretty amazing to see all that. Of course that would explain the 2 year memory lapse when EVERYONE was complaining about the iPhone missing basic features like copy and paste and multitasking.

I guess we'll have another round of that with Microsoft now.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 7:41:03 AM , Rating: 2
People were lining up across the street to buy the iPhone when it first came out. Apple fans and the national media were practically orgasiming from it's arrival. So to say "everyone was complaining" is just a lie.


RE: What the hell is this?!
By Akrovah on 3/17/2010 11:26:36 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, the masses bought into it, but the tech savvy, like most of those here, bitched about it. And now they are bitching about the lack of these features in WinPho7 as well. I see no double standard being displayed here.

The only ones I saw exposing your view of things were the Apple fanbois.


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