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Microsoft executives say workers use competitors products to learn about the competition

The rivalry between Microsoft and Apple is one of legend. The two firms battle in many major categories including computers, mobile phones, and music players. The rivalry between the two firms has grown to epic proportions and in some instances; employees at Microsoft have been discouraged from using competitor's offerings.

In June of 2009, Microsoft changed its corporate policy to stipulate that it would only cover employees cell phone bills as long as the employee used a Microsoft-powered device. That means that the employees using the iPhone or a Blackberry were no longer being reimbursed for their calls. Microsoft said the reason for the move was to save money.

The Wall Street Journal reports that despite the fact that Microsoft workers using iPhones is frowned upon, many of them still use the Apple smartphone. The use of the iPhone is reportedly not hidden or uncommon at Microsoft's Seattle campus. Workers use the device openly in cafeterias and other locations reports the WSJ. According to reports, nearly 10,000 Microsoft workers are accessing the Microsoft employee email system using the iPhone. That number represents 10% of the firm's global workforce.

Microsoft executives have tried to spin employee use of the iPhone and other competitor's offerings. Microsoft's Andy Lees and Robbie Bach stated at a question and answer even that Microsoft workers often used a competitor's product to understand the competition. Microsoft COO Kevin turner also denied that he discouraged sales staff from using the iPhone. Turner stated, "What's good for the field is good for Redmond," according to one Q&A attendee.

There seems to be some that are uncomfortable using competitor's products at Microsoft. The WSJ reports that one person told the publication that some workers try to disguise their iPhone with generic cases. Some workers are also hesitant to use non-Microsoft devices in front of executives.

Despite the healthy rivalry, there are reports that Apple and Microsoft are teaming up against a common foe. Such is the case with the two firms reportedly in talks to see Bing search replace Google search on the iPhone. 



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"Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/15/2010 10:35:50 AM , Rating: -1
*looking at Win7 taskbar*

Good job "learning", Redmond




RE: "Learn" from competition?
By noirsoft on 3/15/2010 10:56:05 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, the Win7 taskbar, which is an extension of the taskbar first introduced in Win95. The only thing it possibly took from OSX is the combination of launching & switching. Oh, and they made it work peoperly, unlike the mess that is the OSX dock.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By bearxor on 3/15/2010 2:02:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, can you specify the 'Mess that is the OS X dock'? I don't really think either taskbar/dock is significantly better or worse than the other, but I've never heard of the OS X dock referred to as 'a mess'. I'm just curious.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: "Learn" from competition?
By nikon133 on 3/15/2010 5:05:08 PM , Rating: 3
True. We already gave up on you, Pirks.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/15/2010 6:24:45 PM , Rating: 1
Wintrolls never give up, just look at master08 as an example :P He's barking at Apple while being penetrated by Ballmer at the same time, talk about never give up LOL :)))


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By themaster08 on 3/15/2010 8:38:42 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sure Jobs would prefer it if you bought his products instead of licking his asshole.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/16/2010 10:47:08 AM , Rating: 1
Ballmer would prefer you buying a few WinMo gadgets instead of munching on his dick, not much difference between us eh? :))


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By hiscross on 3/15/2010 5:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
NOPE. Win 95 Task Bar came for NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and some would say CDE - Unix.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By inighthawki on 3/15/2010 9:35:09 PM , Rating: 2
He didn't say it didn't he just said that the win7 taskbar was an extension of the taskbar that was in win95.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By weskurtz0081 on 3/15/2010 11:20:32 AM , Rating: 3
These two companies have been "learning" from each other year after year, only a homer would say otherwise.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By PitbulI on 3/15/2010 2:42:04 PM , Rating: 2
Having used both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard, The Windows 7 bar is much more advanced. I love how it works.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: "Learn" from competition?
By phenimation on 3/16/2010 2:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
Do you know what a computer is for? It is for getting stuff done. That is its main purpose and has been its main purpose for a long time. OSX's lovely 3D icons do nothing but slow performance, which is already pretty slow on an iMac. How is a glass effect "handy". You can't even look at your own reflection, for those who are a bit more vain. Form follows function.

BTW Please do not use the "you don't buy a car for its HP rating" argument as it is totally irrelevant.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By phenimation on 3/16/2010 2:55:13 AM , Rating: 2
Edit: Sorry about the looking glass thing. I was skimming and assumed you meant glass reflections. And i might point out Windows 7 has a magnifier as well.


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/16/2010 6:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
While I don't question that the 3D dock is for eyecandy (and there's nothing wrong with a UI looking nice BTW, I'll take Win7 over XP any day), the notion that it slows down the computer is ridiculous. The OS X UI is perfectly smooth on a bottom end Mac Mini that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, let alone an iMac with a Core 2 or i7 CPU.

Make your argument that that fancy stuff is superficial, whatever, but don't make things up and say that the OS X UI taxes the hardware. I use both operating systems and things as simple as vertical scrolling in a webpage is actually much smoother in OS X, something that displays vertical tearing and strobing when I scroll down very fast on my Windows 7 PC (i7 860 + GTX 285).


RE: "Learn" from competition?
By Pirks on 3/16/2010 11:31:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the notion that it slows down the computer is ridiculous
For wintrolls it's not ridiculous at all 'cause they're wintrolls! harharhar


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