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PS3 comes in last for the month in sales

The console wars have been raging for years and will continue to be fought as long as there are multiple consoles available to the public. The lead in sales has been traded amongst the big three consoles including the Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3.

The latest figures are in from NPD for February 2010. According to the numbers, the Xbox 360 was the best selling console for the month, outselling both the Wii and the PS3.

The month was bad for the industry as a whole with sales down 15% overall compared to February of 2009. Microsoft moved 422,000 Xbox 360s during the month while Nintendo moved 397,900 Wii consoles. Sony sold  360,100 PS3 consoles during the month and moved 101,900 PS2s in February.

Nintendo's DS ruled the portable gaming market selling 613,200 units compared to a meager 133,400 PSPs sold for the month. The top game title for February was
Bioshock 2 moving 750,000 copies across all platforms with the Xbox 360 version selling the most copies at 562,900 units. 

The Wii title
New Super Mario Bros. took second with a close 555,600 copies sold. The few PS3 games making the top ten list for February were Dante's Inferno: Divine Edition at eighth place with 242,500 copies and Heavy Rain in tenth at 219,300 copies sold. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is still selling very well in the third spot with 314,300 copies sold on the Xbox 360 and in sixth as well with 252,800 sold for the PS3.

Many of the game consoles have been expanding their capabilities over the last few months to appeal to more than the gamer crowd. Sony aimed for broad appeal from the start with the PS3 by adding the Blu-ray player and creating what is arguably one of the best Blu-ray players on the market. The big benefit of the PS3 is that Sony has continually added new updates and features to the machine like upscaling and a 3D update for the PS3 is coming this year making PS3 owners one of the few groups that won’t have to buy new hardware to enjoy 3D Blu-ray films.

Sony is also looking to improve how games operate and look by reducing the size of the OS used on the PS3. A recent size reduction for the OS gave developers 70MB of additional memory to work with. Extra memory is nice, but developers said 70MB wouldn’t make a huge difference in game quality.



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No surprise there...
By Marlin1975 on 3/12/2010 9:20:56 AM , Rating: 3
Now with many already having a WII and the Blu-ray players have dropped in price enough to where the PS3 by itself does not look as good. It allows the Xbox to come out.

Between the lowwer price, $199, and ability to stream Netflix and other other programs the Xbox hits on many areas where people can afford it and use it for many other areas.
PS3 has the netflix and other stuff covered but at a higher price and the WII is not a good media center like the PS3/Xbox.

I have a couple Xbox360's and use them for media and games. The lowwer price made it easy for me to get them over a PS3 and lack of ability of the WII.




RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By xpax on 3/12/2010 9:50:30 AM , Rating: 1
They handled the RROD fiasco very well, though. They admitted the problem early on and replaced units with few questions asked.

If only a certain other fruit-branded company could be so accommodating about defects in their products.


RE: No surprise there...
By Aloonatic on 3/12/2010 10:48:23 AM , Rating: 2
From my memory, I seem to recall that it took MS quite a while to come clean on the RRoD thing, and were claiming that they were only experiencing pretty normal failure rates for some time. A little slower than Apple have been with their yellow screen issue at any rate, if that's what you are referring too.

Once they copped for it, and decided to extend the warranty/fix things and pay up for the time lost on xBox Live, then it seemed that they did OK. At the end of the day, a lot of their customers didn't seem to mind too much, which is all that matters really.


RE: No surprise there...
By Roffles on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By Shadowmaster625 on 3/12/2010 12:33:50 PM , Rating: 1
4 systems in 2 years? It's more likely he's just a complete moron who is waiting for his funding source to be shipped overseas.


RE: No surprise there...
By Roffles on 3/12/2010 1:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
I guess if my "moron" you mean "he plays too much instead of having a life outside his living room" then yes he's a moron. To put more detail into it; he had a brand new original and then lost his original and its replacement to the ring of death. That makes three and the third console was problem free. But he replaced his third one for some sort of brand new special edition XBox that was sold bundled with an exclusive game.


RE: No surprise there...
By therealnickdanger on 3/12/2010 11:50:21 AM , Rating: 5
They were slow to confirm the problem, perhaps, but the problem really wasn't as simple to identify as many claim. They did invest a substantial amount to correct the problem ($1b?) and also provide a 3-year warranty (from manufacture date) for all affected consoles in addition to a 1-year warranty (from repair date) to any repaired console. While Nintendo and Sony haven't had any problems as devastatingly widespread as Microsoft's, they also have never offered anything close to the level of support that Microsoft has.

In the end, Microsoft did the right thing and credit should be given.


RE: No surprise there...
By Aloonatic on 3/12/2010 1:56:34 PM , Rating: 1
Sadly, they didn't hold there hands up right away and say, yes, there is a problem and we're working on locking it down, finding a solution etc. They stalled and tried to pretend that nothing was going on for a while, as admitting there was a potentially major problem with their system might have put people off buying it, and some may even have decided to wait for the PS3, had they come clean from the get-go.

If you read my comment further, I gave them some credit for doing an OK job, but they really shouldn't have had to do that anyway, in the first place.

It's hardly a chapter in their history that they can be proud of over all, but they did an ok job in the end, when they had secured their market share, IMO.


RE: No surprise there...
By Fleeb on 3/13/2010 3:02:55 PM , Rating: 4
"They were slow to confirm the problem, perhaps, but the problem really wasn't as simple to identify as many claim."

But wasn't it reported that the team knew they launched faulty hardware just to get to the market first - which they admitted?


RE: No surprise there...
By someguy123 on 3/14/2010 6:41:11 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. They were also aware of the disc scratching problem as well.

People can say what they want about microsoft offering good support, but the fact of the matter is if the problem was not so incredibly widespread in the media (RROD now being famous) they would've just ignored it like they did prior to launch of the system. People don't seem to remember (or realize) that, before the media blitz, microsoft was denying replacements or repairs on RROD'd systems.

This isn't to say the console doesn't offer a decent value with good games, but anyone who thinks microsoft did the right thing because they wanted to support their customers is delusional.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:13:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
anyone who thinks microsoft did the right thing because they wanted to support their customers is delusional.

Yet the guy that thinks he can see into alternate timelines to witness MS's behavior sans media blitz? Please. Your assertions are impossible to substantiate, and aren't at all in line with Microsoft's intentions to build a presence for itself in the console market even in the face of significant loss at the outset. They may have known about the issue, but they could just as easily have expected a substantial cost in replacing systems.

quote:
before the media blitz, microsoft was denying replacements or repairs on RROD'd systems.

Now that's just an inaccurate comment. They offered plenty of replacements or repairs; just not as huge an endeavor as they eventually launched. Remember, at the outset of the RROD fiasco they were still facing supply constraints. Their admission of the manufacturing flaws coincided with greater volume and availability of the console.


RE: No surprise there...
By someguy123 on 3/14/2010 6:42:02 PM , Rating: 2
Considering they ignored the production problems, even though the design team told them the issues existed, I'd say it's a safe bet that, if the problems weren't as well known as they are today, microsoft would've ignored it. Implementing a better motherboard layout and extra plastic in the DVD drive would seem to be a better decision than forecasting a 1B replacement initiative, so I doubt they were predicting such a massive scale of console failures.

Actually, before the RROD fiasco they did not offer replacements to your machine out of warranty, which was only about a year at the time. If your system had failed, it would cost you 100$ plus shipping to get it repaired. That is the whole reason why there was so much media attention in the first place as many consoles failed right after the warranty expired, which caused massive speculation as to what the cause behind this was.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/15/2010 12:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'd say it's a safe bet that, if the problems weren't as well known as they are today, microsoft would've ignored it.

It's a safe bet only because there's no means of finding out, either way. I think it's completely false to say MS would have ignored it, and I assert that their historical behavior geared towards solidifying a presence in the console marketplace, even at significant initial cost, supports that view. They were slow to react, as many large companies can be slow to react to market events. That doesn't mean they would not have reacted.

quote:
Implementing a better motherboard layout and extra plastic in the DVD drive would seem to be a better decision than forecasting a 1B replacement initiative, so I doubt they were predicting such a massive scale of console failures.

There's a difference between prediction and anticipating possibilities. Nobody's suggesting that Microsoft had planned out their expenditures down to the nickel; I'm certain there was a broad range of possible expenditures they'd have to commit. I do NOT know if they were expecting to spend a billion on such a huge console failure rate, however, or whether it was outside their expected cost, on the high end, or somewhere lower... but every electronics device has a failure rate, and manufacturers anticipate a certain cost associated.

quote:
Actually, before the RROD fiasco they did not offer replacements to your machine out of warranty, which was only about a year at the time.

Well, sure, but that's a sight different than what was said earlier. Again, MS was slow to react, but react they did, with very generous replacement plans that, as described elsewhere in the thread, were generally no more a nuisance than various other flaws, failures, and botched firmware updates that afflict games on all platforms.


RE: No surprise there...
By afkrotch on 3/14/2010 11:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
I got denied multiple times on replacement of my RROD'd system. Instead a nice $150 to fix it.

It wasn't until 1 1/2 years after release, did they finally extend the warrant. Over six months where customers were being denied left and right, after their 1 year warranty ran out.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/15/2010 12:49:35 AM , Rating: 2
You mean they acted in accordance to their established warranty and repair program. That's a sight different then claiming that they simply "denied" them. It sounds more like MS offered customers a lot more than they initially promised at the product's launch; most people seem to recognize that this was commendable, even if the decision didn't particularly work to their own selfish benefit.

Anyway, all you've done is reveal your bias. Sorry your thing broke, bro. I can recommend a good therapist to help you out of your PTSD.


RE: No surprise there...
By afkrotch on 3/14/2010 10:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
Huh? The problem was found by the users before the 360 even reach the age of 1. Invest to correct the problem? No, they just limped through it and threw $2 bil into warranties.

First came the heatpipe that they attached to the crap GPU heatink, then another heatsink to that heatpipe. It helped, bring down failure rates, but they were still high. Then those started showing up with some epoxy around the edges of the cpu/gpu, which really did nothing. We later got a die shrink to the cpu, but not the gpu. Fixed nothing. Now we have a die shrunk cpu and gpu. Still get RRODs, but more inline with regular failure rates.

Only took 3 years after release to get where we were at and really. The die shrinks wasn't made to fix the problem. It was a natural evolution. Just like how cpu/gpus get die shrinks all the time. Smaller chips, more can be built on a wafer.

Credit? Even now, MS won't tell you there was a serious issue with it. Only a few customers were getting RRODs. They won't ever tell anyone how high their failure rates hit (estimated at like 32% or something).


RE: No surprise there...
By Samus on 3/12/2010 3:48:59 PM , Rating: 2
I agree the Wii is at it's saturation point. Everybody I know that has one either doesn't use it anymore or has sold it second-hand.


RE: No surprise there...
By MrBlastman on 3/12/2010 10:30:56 AM , Rating: 5
Who cares at this point which console does better or not? I think this is yesterday's news. Buy a console you like and be done with it. I stopped giving a care about which console was better than the next years ago as my PC has surpassed current-gen console technology from nearly their start.

If 360 outsells PS3? Big deal. Doesn't matter to me. If Wii outsells them all? So what--that means people like something great about it. If you buy what makes you happy, then ultimately you win and not the marketers.


RE: No surprise there...
By Aloonatic on 3/12/2010 11:09:33 AM , Rating: 2
Wish I could vote you up.

The only time when sales figures really matter are when you have a situation where one consoles sales figures are really tanking, and the future support for the console that you stumped up your cash for looks to be in real jeopardy. With companies as large as MS and Sony backing these machines tho, the sales will have to be pretty low for a long time I guess.


RE: No surprise there...
By Lanister on 3/12/2010 9:51:08 PM , Rating: 5
Amen, these threads always amuse me. People give their opinion as to which system is better and then people reply saying their opinion is wrong. This world will be a much better place when people accept that everyone has their own opinion and if it doesnt match yours it doesn't mean they are wrong.

That being said my wife is wrong for thinking the wii is better then the PS3!


RE: No surprise there...
By BansheeX on 3/14/2010 3:02:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think the source of fanboyism is the frustration of having buy 3 pieces of $200+ hardware to access all software, then switch between them, then set up accounts between them, one of which has a monthly fee that doesn't go down the less you use it to play other consoles. Imagine if the PC game market was this factionalized, we'd all be switching back and forth between Windows, Mac, and linux due to developer exclusives. Deep down, we all want that kind of consolidation in consoles, but no one can agree on what it should be. I love Nintendo software, but I hate that it's exclusive to their underpowered hardware. I couldn't give a darn about casual gamers and parents with little kids who have made the system an all time best seller. Traditional franchises like Zelda, Metroid, and Mario would look and play better on PS3 hardware. That's what annoys me about the situation.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:19:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Imagine if the PC game market was this factionalized

It used to be, until console came and swept up the market share. The factions in the PC market were defined by new hardware available every six months, and games were tuned the same way. There were just as many people complaining about buggy code or lack of storytelling/compelling gameplay or game code favoring one hardware vendor over the other, circa the late '90s.

Anyone that misses that era has one helluva pair of rose-colored glasses.


RE: No surprise there...
By Pirks on 3/12/10, Rating: -1
RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 11:27:18 AM , Rating: 3
as my PC has surpassed current-gen console technology from nearly their start

I don't get into these PC VS consoles debates, cause let's be honest PCs should surpass consoles given they can always be upgraded whereas console chipsets are set from beginning to end. I have never been into PC gaming, never liked gaming with a mouse/KB, so as far as my tastes go, the consoles are fine. Odd, the PC guys always bring this up everytime no matter what site you are on, like they are superior or something. The topic is about consoles not the PC. I have a fully capable PC, I just prefer gaming on consoles.


RE: No surprise there...
By MrBlastman on 3/12/2010 11:52:47 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I just prefer gaming on consoles


... and that is how it should be. :) What you prefer to game on is the avenue you should take.

To Pirks: Those might be fine and dandy to you but they don't float my boat at all. Consoles can't satisfy what I want to play (Military flight sims, FPS/RTS w/mouse and keyboard).

I'm happy you've found a game you like. Go play them. I'll play mine. I'm not going to worry if the Wii goes under, the PS/3 beats the Xbox or another Xbox RROD's.


RE: No surprise there...
By Roffles on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 12:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
You don't like gaming on a PC because you don't like gaming with a mouse and keyboard? I don't think I've heard that one before. Is the idea of having 100+ customizable keys at your disposal overwhelming? Does the accuracy and precision of a 5700dpi laser gaming mouse scare you? Because I'll tell you right now these two things alone (the advanced user input) are what makes PC gamers brazen enough to come into these topics and talk down on consoles.

There is no point to that nonsense. Nothing scares me about PCs, or the mouse. I run a very successful busines & am staring/using that all day. I just prefer gaming on consoles, it's really that simple.


RE: No surprise there...
By adiposity on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 3:28:03 PM , Rating: 5
How does Alan Wake feel on your console?

The Darkness was boring to me.

Uncharted 2, nice rental.

How does new Stalker look on your console? Cause I can tell you it looks badass on my superduper DX11 gpu.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 8:36:17 AM , Rating: 2
Not forgetting Warhammer 4000: Dawn of War 2 - Chaos Rising which looks fantastic even in DX9!

Never mind Alan Wake. Wake me up when it's actually released!


RE: No surprise there...
By nikon133 on 3/14/2010 4:52:04 PM , Rating: 1
Aww c'mon Pirks.

First of all, you've missed God of War III - big mistake! ;)

Second of all, Alan Wake does not look any better than Crysis and Crysis: Warhead. (Ooh, it has cool light effect on DX9-class hardware - not a big deal). Many gamers would trade Uncharted II for World of Warcraft and EVE any second - who wants to play Lara Croft game without Lara Croft??? Mr. Drake doesn't look even remotely as attractive with his jeans wet ;)

And The Darkness, which I'm actually running through on my PS3 these days, is not really that cool at all. It is OK but nothing to write home about. You should have stick with Killzone 2, Resistance 2 and maybe original Bad Company - still great on-line multiplayer.

Now seriously - there are great exclusives on consoles, but there are great exclusives on PC as well, even with smaller market share. Who cares? Most gamers - me included - have at least 2 platforms anyway, usually PC and one console. I do play more on PS3 than on PC at present because there is virtually no cheating on console on-lines, and for me it is really reassuring to know for sure that great sniper on opposite side is a great sniper and not great aimboot. With all the cheating available on PC one might become a bit paranoid and start suspecting cheating on every lag problem, game glitch or even genuine good gamer. On consoles, you know that everything is genuine and for me, it is worth sacrificing some eye candy...

... that being said, when DX11 games actually start hitting the market in numbers and PC titles start looking that much better than console games, I might get over potential cheating and neglect my console until the next gen refresh.

All great for me, and I hope they all will stay healthy and profitable.


RE: No surprise there...
By MonkeyPaw on 3/12/2010 12:41:11 PM , Rating: 2
You pretty much nailed it. Everyone always has to declare a winner, but as long as none of the three lose big time, it doesn't matter. We are clearly in a 3 console world today. About the biggest thing to realize is that Sony totally lost its huge lead that it had on the industry. They aren't in danger of losing their market entirely, but their dominance is over and done. That's a good thing IMO. Competition helps the consumer.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 8:41:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone always has to declare a winner, but as long as none of the three lose big time, it doesn't matter.

Console manufacturers are racing their machines to a never ending finish line. There are no winners. Just those that fall at the hurdles.


RE: No surprise there...
By amanojaku on 3/12/2010 9:42:24 AM , Rating: 2
I would agree that the Wii is slipping due to market saturation. 70M in three years is a lot of sales, half of what the PS2 has hit in 10 years.

I would disagree with the PS3 not looking good, however. It has great longevity and it's pricing isn't bad. I'm not familiar with the models, but I think the cheapest PS3 is close enough to the 360 to be competitive. Besides, the PS3's Blu-Ray capabilities are as good as any cheap player, so why get one limited device when you can get a multimedia powerhouse at a similar price? Both the 360 and the PS3 shine there. I think you have to buy a separate Blu-Ray drive for the 360, though, so the PS3 has the advantage there.


RE: No surprise there...
By StevoLincolnite on 3/12/2010 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I think you have to buy a separate Blu-Ray drive for the 360, though, so the PS3 has the advantage there.


There is no Blu-Ray player for the Xbox 360, if there was... I would be all over it like flies to a cow paddie.

Xbox 360 is going really well, console sales will probably peak again when Halo Reach is released and maybe Fable 3 and Project Natal.


RE: No surprise there...
By Aloonatic on 3/12/2010 9:55:55 AM , Rating: 3
Agree on the Wii/saturation point.

As for the PS3 Vs xBos, the Slim PS3 is a pretty decent BD player with plenty of benefits, but I'm told the xBox is a better streamer? So pays your money, takes your chances.

Other than wanting a BD/media player, and back in the world of gaming... There are only a couple of reasons why you would choose a PS3 over an xBox (and vice-versa) as far as I can see.

1) Exclusives, which both consoles have.

2) Whichever console your friends have so that you can play them online.

The second point is probably the main reason why people (other than the die hard faithful who will prob already have console by now) decide on one over the other, and is why the PS will probably never catch the xBox 360.

IMHO, that's what MS realised (or got lucky on) when they rushed their machine to market (not looking for a war on RRoD here) as they knew that on-line gaming will make it so that someone's purchasing decision further down the line had already been made for them by their friends. So being first in, they were the only choice for a while, unless you were a member of the PS faithful, and it's a credit to Sony that so many people were willing to wait and stump up the extra cash for their machine.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 10:31:18 AM , Rating: 1
Oh and the PS2 is still selling 100,000 consoles!?! Totally supports my price tag theory.


RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 10:45:47 AM , Rating: 2
You know I really don't understand. XBOX is a dying system. Seriously look a Final Fantasy. The XBOX version is substantially scaled down graphically because of space limitations.

Is this a joke? How is it dieing when it sells double the software or better than the PS3, DVD9, is limited, but devs are in business to make money, & if the 360 gives them a better opportuntity to do that than the PS3, it will be live & kicking for some time.

Yeah, yeah, we know, RPGs suck up alot of space & they had to trim Final Fantasy cause of space. devs will just have to release these games which have been space hoggers since the CD came out on multiple DVds for the console, but to say the console dieing is ridiculous.


RE: No surprise there...
By wallijonn on 3/12/2010 10:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously look a Final Fantasy. The XBOX version is substantially scaled down graphically because of space limitations.


Yeah, and when I bought the last Star Wars game, the PS3 was limited to 720p, but the XBox360 could do 1080i and 1080p. Most multi discs can now be copied onto the XBox360 HD (Fallout 3 and the expansion disc, for example.)

Space really isn't a problem. The plain fact is that pressing a BD will cost the publisher more than pressing a DVD9.


RE: No surprise there...
By adiposity on 3/12/2010 12:13:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Space really isn't a problem. The plain fact is that pressing a BD will cost the publisher more than pressing a DVD9.


Obviously, this hasn't stopped them from releasing games on PS3, though.

I guess we will have to assume that the $60 price tag more than makes up for the cost of a BD.

So what was your point again? That Xbox users should be happy to be using DVD9 because it saves the publisher another $1 when they sell the disc?


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Obviously, this hasn't stopped them from releasing games on PS3, though.

It's not a deal-breaker, no. It's also not a deal-clincher, else we'd have, oh, Left 4 Dead 2 on the PS3.

quote:
I guess we will have to assume that the $60 price tag more than makes up for the cost of a BD.

Yeah, because the cost of the disc is the ONLY cost of a game. Please. A BD cuts into the already-paper-thin profits of a game. There's a reason the best looking games for the PS3 have Sony's financial boot-print on the dev's collective back.

quote:
So what was your point again? That Xbox users should be happy to be using DVD9 because it saves the publisher another $1 when they sell the disc?

The point is that for every FFXIII, where it looks a little better on the PS3, there's a number of other games (Ghostbusters, for example) that look better on the 360. One game is hardly indicative of the 360's declining presence.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 12:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most multi discs can now be copied onto the XBox360 HD (Fallout 3 and the expansion disc, for example.


I have Fallout 3 Game of the Year edition. One disc. Don't have to copy the disc to the HD.....

And about Star Wars, that's not the PS3's fault it fully capable.


RE: No surprise there...
By adiposity on 3/12/2010 12:26:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
And about Star Wars, that's not the PS3's fault it fully capable.


Maybe, maybe not...the PS3 has less graphics memory available, which can limit the render resolution of the same models. Yes, the PS3 can do 1080p but it cannot render all games at 1080p. Sometimes the models are too complex to model at that res.

The xbox on the other hand has fully shared memory, which proves to be advantageous every once in a while, when the dev wants to put more memory into graphics and less into the rest of the engine. Although the total memory is similar, the xbox is more flexible.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 3:36:25 PM , Rating: 3
If sony made the PS3 so complex to program for that devs are struggling to get performance then you bet it's the PS3's fault.

If I hand another guitar player my guitar but it is tuned 100% different from the norm is it his fault he can't play it? The guitar is capable, but the way it's configured is not.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/13/2010 11:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
-_-

*sigh* If I hand a peanut butter sandwich to your mom after our loving making session but she doesn't like it does it make the sandwich less of a sandwich......

in other words your posts are bla bla bla...

devs struggling to program? your dumb.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 9:04:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you're dumb.

It seems he's not the only one who is dumb.

Sorry, I just had to after that disgrace of a comment.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If I hand a peanut butter sandwich to your mom after our loving making session but she doesn't like it does it make the sandwich less of a sandwich......

It just makes you as inept at making a sandwich as you are at grammar, spelling, or crafting a coherent, salient argument. Or maybe you're just really lousy in bed.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/15/2010 6:11:39 PM , Rating: 2
So you are saying Devs have not had any trouble coming to grips with programming for the PS3 and utilizing the cell processor? I don't feel dumb after a bold statement like that.


RE: No surprise there...
By someguy123 on 3/14/2010 6:51:14 AM , Rating: 2
Sony's at fault, but so are the programmers in this case.

Fifteen years ago, give the world a ps3 and developers would jump all over it looking for a challenge. Now, developers whine and complain that they have to do symmetrical SPE coding instead of having a simplified API do everything for them.

Good example is Carmack. EA told him it would take a team 6 months or so to port wolfenstein to the iphone. He sat in his hotel and did it alone in two days. Spoiled programmers are almost as much to blame as sony is for making an overly complex CPU.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:37:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now, developers whine and complain that they have to do symmetrical SPE coding instead of having a simplified API do everything for them.

Because the competition has excellent hardware AND is relatively easy as pie to develop for. They have every reason to be annoyed with Sony's decision.

This isn't fifteen years ago. Today the gaming market is huge, with a wide swath of rabid fans demanding Teh Bestest Graphics and demanding it NOW. The impatience and superficiality of a wide swath of the gamer crowd is what causes rushed games and a focus on graphical tricks over gaming content. That's what it all comes down to: Any given audience gets the product it apparently demands.


RE: No surprise there...
By someguy123 on 3/14/2010 6:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
They obviously do have the right to be annoyed, but their own lack of ability or sheer distaste for adaptation is what was causing the massive delays and excess cost of development.

Being annoyed at an overly complex machine is one thing, but allowing that to drastically effect the quality of your product is another story. Developers were literally unwilling to even try to program for the cell, until the ps3 gradually built up an install base and they were forced to adapt.

the 360 bringing in competition was the main issue, but at the same time the developers allowed this to effect their product by initially porting 360 games as is, which limited the ps3 to its substantially slower RSX chip. This was probably the largest sign of laziness on their part considering even making use of a couple of SPEs would've made the graphics comparable on both systems.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 2:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
up-scaling is not true 1080p. Google " halo up-scaling" and if you do remember originally the xbox didn't even come with HDMI output.... (Burn)

OH WAIT here is a link

http://www.gamerawr.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-only-run...


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 9:11:22 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, why are you taking all of this to heart? You're needlessly defending the PS3 and you look like a complete jackass. I used to do that when I was in school amongst my friends, but you know what? We all grew up and stopped giving a shit.

Someone posted a comment earlier which was about having the console you're happy with and have done with it. Perhaps you should have a read of it.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 11:47:54 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yeah, yeah, we know, RPGs suck up alot of space & they had to trim Final Fantasy cause of space. devs will just have to release these games which have been space hoggers since the CD came out on multiple DVds for the console, but to say the console dieing is ridiculous.


I guess you also forgot games like Uncharted 2 which uses the full amount of a 25g Blu- Ray. Seriously, Microsoft has a bigger base, but Sony will continue to sell and sell and can you name one multiplatform publisher (support with a link) that has publicly stated that they are abandoning the PS3?

They only reason anyone would is because of a total personal dislike for the company, or maybe Microsoft's attract $$$ proposals. (like Activision downloadable content month long exclusiveness for MW2)

it is DYING. You're just not looking long term. XBOX is just not up to par. I am arguing with facts. Technologically it surpasses the XBOX and I haven't had to buy one piece of hardware since it launched...unlike XBOX owners...


RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 12:06:58 PM , Rating: 1
it is DYING. You're just not looking long term. XBOX is just not up to par. I am arguing with facts. Technologically it surpasses the XBOX and I haven't had to buy one piece of hardware since it launched...unlike XBOX owners...

no, I am looking longterm. I am sure MS is working on another console & I think MS's goal for the 360 was get it out make afew dollars, & get the next Xbox out within 6-8 year window. As far as technology surpassing it, well, technology always moves forward, that goes without saying. All I go by are the games & if I enjoy the games then I am fine with that. I also have a PS3 so I think I am good this gen. There won't be a new Xbox or PS3 before next year so arguing what technology is old or not moot to me.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 12:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
Ok,(generally speaking) you go purchase another NEXT Gen XBOX(tally up the expenses, man XBOX is making a killing off selling it customers incompatible junk) while I sit back and play 3D games on my PS3.

See again, justifying while tossing your money away.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 2:48:36 PM , Rating: 3
You are not making any sort of point. The PS3 and 360 look just about the same on every game I've seen except for a couple first party titles.

A new console will cost money? Ya think? It will also most likely make the PS3 look stupid in comparison, just like a PS4 would make the 360 look.

And how is the 360 incompatible? Incompatible with what exactly? I'm not sure what you are trying to say and I don't think you do either.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 3:46:48 PM , Rating: 3
I could care less about your BR movies.

More out of pocket? You are the one paying stupid prices for movies to watch on your gaming console.

The tech will not be so great? Was the leap between PS2/Xbox and the PS3/360 really that great? People still lined up around stores to buy them.

So somehow the PS3 can magically update firmware and turn that really old vid card into something new? Amazing.

I think you are ridiculous and your mom's basement comment is about the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Leads me to believe you are the angry teen defending his precious sony.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/13/2010 11:20:07 PM , Rating: 1
OH nailed me there Captain Tripps. Your a moron. I support my posts with facts. You just throw around your opinion, like a dumb high school-er. And now i am stupid for buying BR movies?

Well that explains it, your broke ass still lives in DVD world and obviously you do live at home with mom. WHO doesn't want to live in the times?? I understand your bitter and lonely. Your posts are boring and filled with nothing but opinionated garbage, you cant even give me simple facts.

Enjoy your XBOX big guy.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 9:18:31 AM , Rating: 2
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RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/15/2010 6:19:13 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't say you were stupid, I said you pay stupid prices for BR movies, you do a great job of portraying stupid without any help from me.

I gave valid points, you give nothing except childish accusations and then attempt to call me... childish.


RE: No surprise there...
By SlyNine on 3/13/2010 4:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
You are making a lot of assumptions about what a new Xbox would be like. The fact is SMT is just barely being used effectively now, and still has aways to go.

Blu-Ray movies are not GAMES. The Xbox360 streams Hd content through netflix. Which may suck to you and me. But since the average Joe could care less. and listen. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE 360 IS DIEING.

Look, the Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics have been pretty neck to neck, with the 360 WINNING most head 2 heads.

So pack up your faulty premises and come to a proper conclusion, The 360 is going to be here for a while.

UNTIL GAMES ACTUALLY START LOOKING BETTER, OR USING MORE THEN 2 DVD's WORTH OF STORAGE, YOUR ARGUMENT HAS NOOOO BASES, OTHER THEN THE CIRCULAR LOGIC YOU ARE GIVING IT.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 9:15:19 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, I'd sure love playing 3D games in a few years from now with that amazing Geforce 7800-based ark itechture!


RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 12:11:04 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you also forgot games like Uncharted 2 which uses the full amount of a 25g Blu- Ray

Of course they do given there is less compression or no compression needed given the extra space BD allows compared to DVD.


RE: No surprise there...
By SlyNine on 3/13/2010 4:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
Only because they are using uncompressed sounds and textures, which do little for quality besides increase load time.


RE: No surprise there...
By eskimospy on 3/12/2010 2:16:23 PM , Rating: 5
In nearly every game (note: nearly) that has come out on both systems the xbox has had equivalent or superior graphics. Regardless of whether it is a limitation on the PS3 or a developer choice due to time and money constraints, the visual experience on the two consoles is similar at best for the PS3. (and in reality on the whole it is slightly poorer)

Currently the Xbox has not only a larger installed base but an installed base that buys more games per person than the PS3, making it a more attractive development target from a business perspective. Every month I am aware of the Xbox has sold more games than the PS3 even when it is the same game available simultaneously for both systems. Developers make more money from the Xbox than the PS3, but you think that it's going to die and they are going to abandon it because of a blu-ray disc? That's nonsensical. If a smart developer had to choose a platform to abandon it would be the PS3, not the Xbox due to its lower sales and smaller installed base.

Nobody is abandoning the Xbox or the PS3 nor will they any time soon. You've got some sort of bizarre personal problem with the Xbox that is clouding your ability to see reality.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By eskimospy on 3/12/2010 3:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
You don't seem to understand the basic way industry works, and you aren't using facts to create a coherent argument. You are simply flailing around citing unrelated ideas in an attempt to 'beat' the Xbox. If you enjoy your PS3 I'm very happy for you, but the idea that the Xbox is either dying or offers an inferior experience simply isn't reflected by reality. The wisdom of crowds has spoken and more people like the Xbox than the PS3. It doesn't mean that you can't enjoy yours, (I very much hope you do) it's just that your idea of what other people should do appears to be flawed.

As for the business side, let me spell this out to you one more time:

1.) There are more Xbox players out there than PS3 players.
2.) Each Xbox player buys significantly more games than the corresponding PS3 player.
3.) Therefore the average game made for the Xbox sells more copies than the average PS3 game.
4.) The amount of profit a developer makes is obviously heavily tied to the number of copies of a game they sell.
5.) Even being kind to the PS3 and assuming equal development costs, all in all it is likely more profitable for the average developer to make games for the Xbox than the PS3.

With this in mind, why on earth would the more popular, more profitable platform die to a competitor that has been unsuccessfully competing against it for years? You're just being irrational.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 3:53:11 PM , Rating: 1
Dude, you are a fucking troll, he just said right above you that nobody will abandone anything then you turn right around and say "do you think developers are really going to abandon the PS3?".

NO!!! He does not think that and that's why he stated so.

You are one of the biggest fanboys I have ever seen and it just blows me away that you actually believe 110% of this crap.


RE: No surprise there...
By Vagisil on 3/13/2010 7:44:11 PM , Rating: 2
Your argument pins on vgchartz? and you're calling those numbers sales numbers i suppose?

VGchartz relies on Publicly available numbers and best guesses, Those numbers for console sales are SHIPPED not SOLD, When VG do not get any sales numbers from official sources they either guess or they stop.

I suggest you look at your sources history and reliability before you quote these things as fact and claim everyone is in denial.

Most little fanboys learned their lesson when they were quoting numbers, revisited VG and found they had rolled back by two million or so consoles. The rest of us couldn't care less, these are electronics and as such are not worthy of worship.


RE: No surprise there...
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 1:44:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And as far as Developers go, it has been said PS3 is harder to work with but even VALVE who swore not to work with PS3 is crossing the road and getting on board. So what does that tell you.

It tells me that you can't keep your thoughts straight for five minutes; earlier you challenged people to name a single major dev that had abandoned the PS3, and Valve is it. Sure, Gabe's stated that they're going to re-examine their position, but until they actually get new software on Sony's console, they've abandoned it.


RE: No surprise there...
By nikon133 on 3/14/2010 6:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
There are always exclusives, and always will be.

When I was choosing console (only 3 months ago), BR was on of my wish list, so I was inclined from the start toward the PS3... but I was also looking at exclusives.

I had a feeling that PS3 has more really good exclusives franchises - Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Infamous, MGS, Gran Tourismo, God of War, Motorstorm... just out of my head. Of course, there is Halo, Gears of War, Forca... but I think not as much as PS3, and additionally, there is bigger chance that X360 exclusives will eventually end up on PC. Fable did it, likewise original Gears of War, Halo 1 and 2... which makes sense because I'd expect Microsoft to want to keep gaming for Windows in good health as it does, in a way, influence Windows and PC sales, games being one of major reasons for home users fat upgrades (my old Athlon X2 does Office just fine).

But however you turn it, I don't expect to see clear winner this generation - everyone have learned from PS2 domination, and things are much more levelled now. BR is extra feature for PS3, but it is also watering platform - I know of people who have purchased PS3 as BR player and have almost no games at all (one guy actually having 0 games) which is the reason why PS3 is down in software sales compared to X360, where everyone got console primarily for games.

At the end of the day, while X360 does not have BR, it does not mean they will never-ever have it - if sales really start lagging behind PS3, there is not much to stop Microsoft from releasing external BR drive and maybe even refreshed console with internal one, so even if BR turns to be that important, it is not death sentence for X360 - they can simply implement it at some point.

I do expect Wii to decline - it is basically last gen console with novelty controller, and there is only that much you can squeeze from that hardware before it really starts looking old. And it costs (here in NZ) pretty much the same as X360 and PS3.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 3:20:20 PM , Rating: 3
The xbox is dying? Xbox is not up to par with what aspect of PS3? Br? You have one point there. Live gold is another but I personally don't care, I'd rather pay 3$ a month for the simplicity and convenience.

PS3 is not up to par with 1) ease of programming 2) shared memory offering flexibility to programmers 3) party chat 4) matchmaking 5) netflix 6) more powerfull graphics card that provides "pretty much free" 2xAA. Sony can offload things to the cell but besides first party titles I've seen nothing that says to me "man those devs really used everything the PS3 had to offer". If they only tap those resources years later I don't see that as a good thing.

So for $100 more I could watch BR movies and suffer through online gaming with PSN? You think you know what other people want from their "gaming console" yet haven't a clue. Just about everyone I talk with loves their upscaling DVD player and could give a crap about BR for movies. Sure it's nice to not swap discs but it is far from a system killer.

When me and my friends bought UT2004 I got the DVD version, my friend got CD. His computer was faster and had a better graphics card but no DVD drive. Was my computer somehow better because I didn't have to swap discs on install? By your reasoning, yes!!


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/13/2010 11:47:52 PM , Rating: 1
Your brain is very small isn't it. You ever wonder why first party titles look so amazing on the PS3? Because they are not limited like multi-platform titles because of the XBOX. CASE IN POINT (listen carefully) Final Fantasy XIII. Go read some reviews.

Games will always get better through the life time of a console, that's just the industry. Towards the end they try to squeeze in every little bit of information (you know 10010101) they can. Pushing the envelope if I may.

Who gives a shit about ease of programming? They are still making the games and we are still buying them. Look at Valve for example. In the end I am only concerned about the CONSUMERS (my) aspect.

Honestly my point it that XBOX is on its way out, and that will been seen by the end of this year. You can see it now.

And as far as your UT2004 computer comparison. It sounds life both of you had HP computers, so no neither one of them is better. You are both cheap bastards. Should took the two and made one "ok" computer.


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 9:44:13 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You ever wonder why first party titles look so amazing on the PS3? Because they are not limited like multi-platform titles because of the XBOX. CASE IN POINT (listen carefully) Final Fantasy XIII. Go read some reviews.

Yeah, and do you ever wonder why they take so damn long to be released? Because the system is harder to develop on.

Still no GT5?

quote:
Who gives a shit about ease of programming?

Easier = faster, cheaper and more efficient. Obviously, you have absolutely no idea. Your fanboyism may possibly be the cause of that? I'm sure if the Xbox 360 was a harder platform to develop on you would be throwing that in peoples' faces. You're so hellbent on defending the PS3 you're making yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

quote:
Honestly my point it that XBOX is on its way out, and that will been seen by the end of this year. You can see it now.

I suppose you said that at the beginning of last year, and will probably do the same next year.

I guess that's also why it's the top selling console of last month, as the title says.

quote:
You are both cheap bastards. Should took the two and made one "ok" computer.

I suppose your parents bought your console for you, huh?


RE: No surprise there...
By noirsoft on 3/14/2010 2:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your brain is very small isn't it. You ever wonder why first party titles look so amazing on the PS3? Because they are not limited like multi-platform titles because of the XBOX. CASE IN POINT (listen carefully) Final Fantasy XIII. Go read some reviews.


First party and exclusive titles look better on the PS3 than 3rd party/multiplatform titles because if you are only developing for one platform, then you can spend 100% of your tuning time on that platform. For a multi-platform game, you have to split your resources, which generally means that one platform (often the one that is easier to work with -- Xbox) will get more improvements.

"Easier to work with" means that you get more progress for the same time input. Yes, either platform can get to the same result, but for the PS3 that means either more time or more money spent. For a 3rd-party business targeting a specific launch time or budget, that means that the Xbox will more profitable per copy. Tie that in to the higher attach rate (= more copies sold) for Xbox, that means greater total profits for an Xbox title than a PS3 title. If I were a 3rd party developer (which I am, insomuch as I work for a major game developer as a graphics programmer, and I have worked for a major middleware company in the past) the Xbox is a much better choice to develop on.

The only limitation of the Xbox is the size of DVD. That's really not a major factor. The limiting factor for the PS3 is the (quite frankly) stupidly anemic RSX graphics chip, the need to use the SPUs (which are horrible to program for) to get even close to Xbox-quality graphics, and the poor quality of the tools and support from Sony (compared to Microsoft)

You are a blind fanboy, jmbender. Who cares about ease of programming? Everyone. Because the console that is easier to program for will have better quality games. Square/FFXIII is the exception, not the rule. They have been a Sony-only developer for a long time now, and the fact that the game looks better on the PS3 is due to their inexperience on the Xbox, and the fact that they designed for PS3 first, not any limitation of the Xbox hardware. Cut scenes aside, the lower resolution of the Xbox version is due to the fact that Square didn't choose to use tiled rendering (unlike every other Xbox developer) in order to render to a full 1080 resolution. As it is, the Xbox version runs at a higher FPS than the PS3 version, which is a good indicator that the Xbox could have handled the higher res had Square chosen to do so.


RE: No surprise there...
By CptTripps on 3/15/2010 6:31:34 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahaha, multiplatform on the PS3 usually look worse because the 360 somehow limited it? That does not make any sense whatsoever.

Who cares about ease of programming? Every dev out there that wants to save some money.

Xbox on it's way out eh, good luck with that dream of yours.

On your last comment... You are the stupidest/most childish person I have ever seen on any forum, sony must love how you instantly deepthroat anything they offer you.

Oh yeah, how is your i7/5870 treating you? Cause my cheap ass is enjoying the hell out of mine?


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 11:48:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, yeah, we know, RPGs suck up alot of space & they had to trim Final Fantasy cause of space. devs will just have to release these games which have been space hoggers since the CD came out on multiple DVds for the console, but to say the console dieing is ridiculous.


I guess you also forgot games like Uncharted 2 which uses the full amount of a 25g Blu- Ray. Seriously, Microsoft has a bigger base, but Sony will continue to sell and sell and can you name one multiplatform publisher (support with a link) that has publicly stated that they are abandoning the PS3?

They only reason anyone would is because of a total personal dislike for the company, or maybe Microsoft's attract $$$ proposals. (like Activision downloadable content month long exclusiveness for MW2)

it is DYING. You're just not looking long term. XBOX is just not up to par. I am arguing with facts. Technologically it surpasses the XBOX and I haven't had to buy one piece of hardware since it launched...unlike XBOX owners...


RE: No surprise there...
By themaster08 on 3/14/2010 10:10:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
XBOX is just not up to par. I am arguing with facts. Technologically it surpasses the XBOX and I haven't had to buy one piece of hardware since it launched...unlike XBOX owners...

I should think so considering the Xbox is a last gen console.

On a serious note, the Xbox 360's GPU surpasses the PS3's, besides having more available RAM that can be shared with the GPU. Furthermore, Xbox 360 owners don't have to buy any hardware either. They can pick and choose what suits them. It's a flexible machine.

You're not arguing with facts. You're arguing with pepped up rage to prove an absolutely pointless argument.


RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 11:59:02 AM , Rating: 2
The larger hard drive was a hypothetical, which another reader has commented is actually happening.


RE: No surprise there...
By tedrodai on 3/12/2010 11:38:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Any time I ask someone what they game on and they say XBOX my response is always,Why? I swear 90% of the time its a excuse of justification. "Oh it was cheaper"; " I got it for a Christmas Gift"; "My friend said it was good"; "It was the only gaming system out"; "I really love Halo."

What sucks about this is that 90% of the general pop are followers, un-inspired drones, and conformist.


True of course, but exactly what do you expect people to rally to? Those things you mentioned are, frankly, the type of reasons lots of people buy consoles. Do you really think the PS3 is inspiring enough to justify some kind of non-conformist revolution? Sony hasn't exactly made the PS3 stand out from the crowd in a good way. You can't objectively say either the Xbox or PS3 is better...it's just personal preference.

Frankly, I feel both systems are OK (not great), but neither have grasped the market the way systems have in previous generations. The fact that the Wii stole the show for so long is a big indicator why, though IMO (this is coming from a big fan of Nintendo games) their lack of decent system specs have kept them from keeping up the steam--people just aren't developing good games for it. God--even thinking about NCAA Football 2009 on the Wii makes me want to puke. I'm enjoying the new Mario game, but it hasn't captured my heart the way many of its predecessors have in the past. I'd personally rather have another 2-4 buttons than have to shake my controller.

I'm just disappointed in this generation of consoles altogether. MS and Sony tried to do too much too fast and made cost a huge barrier. Nintendo made some innovative business decisions, but they definitely have a niche system. Here's hoping that these important console companies make better decisions in the future.


RE: No surprise there...
By jmbender on 3/12/2010 12:10:34 PM , Rating: 2
It's just hard for me to comprehend someone limiting themselves over 50-100 dollars. And if that is the case how can you honestly submit an argument over which is overall better. I understand there are driving factors on purchase habits, but I really feel soon people are going to be regretting now springing for a PS3.

And honestly you have to sit down and enjoy a PS3. Don't just spend 10 minutes playing guitar hero at Best Buy and make your determination that XBOX is supreme

I do agree with you as far as awe inspiring these days. I like to think that we have been technologically spoiled. When SNES was release it was crazy awesome compared to NES same with PS one. Now gaming has evolved alot and side scrollers aren't going to do it for the community now. I can say I have been engrossed in a few games like, Dantes, Uncharted 2, Fallout 3, but the satisfaction never lasts as long as SF2 Turbo for SNES or Battletoads for the NES. I think me and you have a valued respect for the way gaming was. It's hard to keep up these days. So many Great games out there that it just makes them all look just good.


RE: No surprise there...
By tedrodai on 3/12/2010 10:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
These are only 1 month figures, and I usually don't bother commenting or reading comments on them, but what the heck. If I had to guess, I'd agree with the Wii saturation and say the Xbox is on top purely for having the cheaper up-front options than the PS3.

Before the system releases half a decade ago, Sony had me reeled-in with the PS3 until they announced the price. I bought a Wii several years ago (tough I'm largely dissapointed in the game library), and finally bought a 360 Pro late last year with the latest price drops--though several other reasons were factored in, the Xbox finally beat out the PS3 for me because of a $50 rebate.


RE: No surprise there...
By Hiawa23 on 3/12/2010 10:28:52 AM , Rating: 2
I think you have to buy a separate Blu-Ray drive for the 360, though, so the PS3 has the advantage there.

Ms has stated they are about the games, & bringing the movies via streamin, & digital download so don't expect any HD movie player add on for the 360.

It's rumored that MS is planning another price cut for the 360 models, so not sure how that will affect Sony, but it's clear Sony probably can't match MS if they are getting into a price war. Average gamer might just look at price instead of all the non gaming features.


RE: No surprise there...
By wallijonn on 3/12/2010 10:50:48 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Besides, the PS3's Blu-Ray capabilities are as good as any cheap player, so why get one limited device when you can get a multimedia powerhouse at a similar price?


Well, d'uh. The PS3 is supposed to be the best BDP available, it darn well costs enough. Toshiba now sells a BDLive BDP for $129. Will the masses go out and buy BD by the truck full? Unlikely. When it comes to either filling up the car or buying a BD movie for $29.99, most people still opt to fill the car or refrigerator up instead.

Sony sold BD to the gaming community by saying that the disc capacity gave it better visuals. Then when a game was dissected it was found that it was padded. The plain fact is that a game developer will publish games in DVD9 because that is what the XB360 uses.

Sony said that HD-DVD discs were inferior because they needed to come out in more than one disc (disc capacity). Now BD comes out in more than one disc sets.

Sony said that HD-DVD combo discs were a joke. Now BD discs are coming out in combo discs.

Sony touted uncompressed PCM as being superior. Now they've dropped it because it takes up too much room on the disc.

Now, answer me this - why is it that the PS3 doesn't automatically remember where a BD movie left off but it does with DVDs? Bookmarking on all players, BD and HD-DVD are a mess. Those four coloured buttons on the remote mean absolutely nothing to the masses.

As someone who has amassed a large BD & DVD library, there are plenty of films I refuse to buy on BD, and the BD selection is still limited. It'll be a while longer before we see the Indiana Jones series, the Star Wars series, the Jurassic Park series, etc., on BD. The Matrix series is $29.99 a disc... The Bourne Identity series is $29.99 a disc... Many TV shows are $49.99 to $89.99 a season...

No, down streaming movies is not the wave of the future... You still have to pay $50 a month for the ISP. Netflix and Redbox will suffice until people's salaries double.


RE: No surprise there...
By cmdrdredd on 3/12/2010 4:39:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Between the lowwer price, $199, and ability to stream Netflix and other other programs the Xbox hits on many areas where people can afford it and use it for many other areas. PS3 has the netflix and other stuff covered but at a higher price and the WII is not a good media center like the PS3/Xbox.


The PS3 network is free, you need XBL Gold to use Netflix. Second, the PS3 is the only current Blu-Ray player that will be able to play Blu-Ray 3D guaranteed. PS3 has wifi built in, on the 360 you need an accessory which is still retailing at $99.

Cheaper my ass.


RE: No surprise there...
By Kim Leo on 3/13/2010 2:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not huge on consoles, I bought a PS2 some years ago and had a lot of fun playing Burnout and God of War 1 & 2, and a few others, now, if I was to buy a console today? It would have to be Xbox360, and trust me I'm no Microsoft lover, in fact back in the RROD plagued time I was more attracted to the PS3, but today, well Price is definitely one thing where you have to admit, the Xbox360 just wins hands down, but there are other things as well, I bought a 360 controller for my PC to play Geometry wars(it's just not fun without one! :P) And I noticed a big difference, unlike the PS2 controller this didn't cripple my hands, you can be the biggest hater of Xbox, but their standard controller is miles better than what comes standard with the PS3 when it comes to holding it. And Games, Xbox360 just have more of them, and the fact that for a console about as cheap as a wii I will still get graphics comparable to the PS3, well.(I know I just made the price point again). I'm interested in seeing the Xbox online support since you pay for it it's supposedly a lot better, or so I've heard. Now I didn't mention the Wii, and it's because while I have had a lot of fun with a few Wii games, the fact is it's been very few, nothing has really swayed me to the Wii, if anything I would get it to loose weight, and then I wouldn't be getting a console, I would be getting a personal trainer in the form of a console :P. So when I get home to relax after 13 hours of work in one day(Like my entire last week) I don't want to be flailing my arms around, I'd rather lie in my leather chair with a Xbox controller in my hands shooting at stuff :P.

Oh yeah and the whole blu-ray thing? I'd rather build a HTPC with blu-ray rather than buying a console for that, as my PS2 taught me, it might work for a while, but don't expect a perfect entertainment system. with the HTPC if you already have one with DVD you could easily upgrade it spending like 150$(I think), and it would be more able than a PS3. So yeah sorry, the PS3 is too expensive, and too close to the xbox in my mind for it to be worth it.


Only in USA
By filipenko on 3/12/2010 6:04:54 PM , Rating: 1
Ahem, you guys do understand there are markets out there that aren't USA? Out there, it's no contest, really, PS3 won long time ago. It's only a matter of time before it gains superior numbers even in biased USA.

PS3 has superior games in terms of quality, best games in almost any genre are on PS3, and the policy of responding with dozens of mediocree games that are "similar to PS3 exclusives" is just doomed. Numbers of console sales are due to replacements that people keep buying, not because XB360 is better platform, but because they have friends on XBLive, they are used to that platform, or are simply stupid enough to keep coughing up their money on broken products, since they think it's cheap. Oh, and BTW outside USA, the only thing that keeps XB360 selling is piracy.

This year will mark 14,5 million PS3s and 10 million XB360. That will fill the gap, and it's just the beginning, since XB360 is already a system getting ready to move to Florida, and PS3 games are just starting to use the potential of that console. Can't beat them, join them.




RE: Only in USA
By CptTripps on 3/12/2010 7:47:43 PM , Rating: 2
Ahem, you have some bold statements you seem to claim as fact but provide nothing to back it up. By your knowledge, nobody in any other country in the world but the U.S. buys an xbox without the intention to pirate games?

And while I don't disagree that "some" PS3 games are quality you seem to think that no 360 title is comparable? I also think "best game in any genre" is a personal preference but I would love to hear your examples as I believe the best games of most genres are multiplatform.

Another bold statement from you pretty much says that every 360 sold is a replacement for RROD? When spewing dribble like that how can anyone take you seriously?

I have my launch 360 that was indeed repaired "once" and another which has "never" had a problem.

You make a great stink about RROD but let's see. 365 x 5 = 1825 days of owenership. Divide that into the 10 days from RROD back into my hands and I missed out on .0054% of gaming time. So I had the ability to game 99.9946% of the time I have owned it... nothing to write home about imo. I'm not saying it's ideal at all, but they made good, gave some free games for my trouble and I think you blow it way out of proportion.

Last but not least, it does not matter how efficient devs get with the ALMIGHTY CELL PROCESSOR, the fact they are running on several gen old 7900ish graphics tech with 256 ram is going to bottleneck far before the cell is ever tapped.

These two systems are so close in terms of performance it amazes me that people still spew (and believe) this kind of crap.


RE: Only in USA
By jmbender on 3/13/2010 11:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have a launch PS3. Never broke. If you would have bought a PS3 CPT Tripps, you could have still gamed while your system was being repaired.

And why do you want facts to support his argument, you will just discredit them afterwords. Your a flamer my friend.


RE: Only in USA
By Kim Leo on 3/14/2010 1:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
What kind of lame defense for not giving facts is that? I believe that no one is trying to defend the RROD issue, but you guys are overblowing it way out or proportion.

From my perspective the PS3 is a wannabe HTPC, if I want a HTPC I will consider it but so far I'd like a console, and I don't need all the other Features you get with the PS3, sure Wireless, bluetooth, and blu-ray can be sweet, but it doesn't really help my gaming experience that much now does it?


RE: Only in USA
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 4:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have a launch PS3. Never broke

Ah, I note that you managed to avoid downloading the bungled firmware! Good job. Unless you meant "never broke by anyone but Sony".


RE: Only in USA
By CptTripps on 3/15/2010 6:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
Why do I want facts? Because he makes huge claims which I find hard to believe (they are opinion). If he backs them up with facts how would I discredit them?

You on the other hand, are easy to discredit because you just spout opinion and never offer anything valid.


Quit arguing over obsolete console specs.
By jabber on 3/14/2010 3:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
That baby sailed at least three years ago as a valid arguement. It's boring now.

All three consoles look very long in the tooth now and I certainly dont relish Sony's supposed plan to push the PS3 into 2015. The only way they will do that is if they still sell it along side the new PS4 like they do with the PS2.

I want a new console in the next 18 months. I reckon MS will be the first to announce and the rest will follow.

Anoither 5 years stuck with the Wii/360/PS3? No thanks.

Cant come soon enough.




RE: Quit arguing over obsolete console specs.
By SPOOFE on 3/14/2010 4:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
You're on crack. Microsoft has the least incentive to release a new console right now, and there's no reason the current batch of machines can't keep playing great games for years to come.


By jabber on 3/15/2010 5:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry I guess you'd have to get another paper round to get a new console then?

Start saving chap!


By jmbender on 3/14/2010 11:58:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In conclusion: Screw this crap. You will not will against these guys!


OH NO!!!! I put "will" where I should have put "win"

Ahhhhh I am so doomed now!!! Please save the women and children first! No don't put a curse on me; I don't want to be Dragged to Hell... ahhhhhh

-_-


By Kim Leo on 3/15/2010 9:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
THEY DON'T EVEN NEED FACTS to support their arguments!


That's pretty ironic coming from you that just in an earlier post suggested that facts where irrelevant because someone might discredit them. But it's true there are a lot of Grammar police and so on, and appearently everything is Obama's fault.


By jmbender on 3/15/2010 10:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's pretty ironic coming from you that just in an earlier post suggested that facts where irrelevant because someone might discredit them. But it's true there are a lot of Grammar police and so on, and appearently everything is Obama's fault.


I''m sorry I was actually being sarcastic. These guys totally try to discredit any reference I post. So just sarcasm.


By B166ER on 3/14/2010 10:06:52 PM , Rating: 1
His party is doing their best to keep Sony and Nintendo out of the country as it is. Obama's liberalist bed buddies have anew plan for America, and our playtime is a big part of it.




By Kim Leo on 3/15/2010 10:19:00 AM , Rating: 2
Really? So is it the courageous conservatives that will take away your rights and liberties that is keeping him? Or have you just heard this from the likes of Alex Jones? Only he I think could come up with something that idiotic.


It's my TV
By thatmikeguy on 3/12/2010 11:20:49 AM , Rating: 2
Many people now are using Win7, many of these people are hooking OTA antennas to their Win7 PC's, and viewing HD from any 360'd TV. On top of Netflix, Last FM, and others. If MS could get Hulu on the 360, that would be a big hit. I know there are a couple options out there for doing this now, but they are not as easy.




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