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Measure passes broadly passes with 56-17 vote, but lacks legal power

Many politicians across the U.S. have already made their mind up about climate change and refuse to consider recent allegations of academic misconduct among prominent climate researchers, or other plausible explanations for climate change, such as sun cycles.  Across the country, there are many folks that haven't blindly accepted the theory, though.

Utah's heavily Republican state legislature has passed a new resolution which condemns climate change alarmism.  The resolution lacks any legal authority, but vocally criticizes the anthropogenic global warming community for ignoring recent developments.

The legislation, which resoundingly passed by a vote of 56-17, originally referred to global warming theory as a "conspiracy", but that term was stricken from the measure in favor of "climate data".  

A small excerpt from the measure is:

WHEREAS, there has been a concerted effort by climate change alarmists to marginalize those in the scientific community who are skeptical of global warming by manipulating or pressuring peer-reviewed publications to keep contrary or competing scientific viewpoints and findings on global warming from being reviewed and published; 

WHEREAS, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a blend of government officials and scientists, does no independent climate research but relies on global climate researchers;

WHEREAS, Earth's climate is constantly changing with recent warming potentially an indication of a return to more normal temperatures following a prolonged cooling period from 1250 to 1860 called the "Little Ice Age"; 

The bill points out that pending warming legislation will earn its proponents "more than $7 billion annually in federal government grants".  Originally those grants were referred to as the "the climate change 'gravy train'", but that language was removed from the measure.

The bill is critical of the U.S. Environmental Agency and President Barack Obama's calls to regulate greenhouse gases nationally.  Representative Mike Noel says the warming scare is an example of profiteers posing as environmentalists and exploiting the public for their own gain.  He states, "Sometimes ... we need to have the courage to do nothing."

Arizona is considering similar legislation.

The only potential downside of the measures, is that they could give local environmentalists means to challenge future nuclear plant construction in the states.  President Obama has championed nuclear plant construction, but says that he's doing it to "combat climate change."

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RE: Great
By deeznuts on 2/17/2010 2:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
So now all these legislators are climate scientists as well?

I'm not saying I believe one way or another. What I do know is that I don't know. This means I know one more thing than these politicians.

No, but they are lawmakers, so they must make determinations about whether they believe what scientists, say, or don't say. And it is apparent you did not read the actual resolution, or you wouldn't have made the second statement of yours. This is what it says.

This joint resolution of the Legislature urges the United States Environmental Protection Agency to cease its carbon dioxide reduction policies, programs, and regulations until climate data and global warming science are substantiated .

So you actually know don't know one more thing than these politicians. And if you were implying the politicians were dumb or foolish, you inadvertently made yourself look more so.

Next time, quit being lazy, click the link, don't rely on the headline here.

RE: Great
By Smilin on 2/17/2010 5:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
Nice assumptions. I read it. It's stupid.

"until climate data and global warming science are substantiated"

This implies that they have not been substantiated. A politician is not in a position to make this determination. Scientists are.

It's kinda like how you are making a judgement about whether I read the resolution or not. You are not in a position to do so. Attempting such merely results in an opinion and not fact.

RE: Great
By SPOOFE on 2/17/2010 6:32:53 PM , Rating: 2
This implies that they have not been substantiated. A politician is not in a position to make this determination. Scientists are.

Yeah, you really are an idiot. You just committed an ad hominem and an appeal to authority fallacy in one passage.

Hint: There's nothing particularly difficult about reading the CRU's attempts to hide data and fudge numbers.

RE: Great
By DominionSeraph on 2/19/2010 7:35:17 AM , Rating: 2
You just committed an ad hominem and an appeal to authority fallacy in one passage.

He did neither. Please learn the difference between an assertion and an argument.

Or don't. I mean, it's not like learning that one thing is going to lift you up as one of the great thinkers of this geologic period. Unless you're 99th percentile, adequacy is likely beyond you. So, I suppose your failing doesn't really mean much. Fail here or fail at the college undergraduate level... it really doesn't matter.

God, I should really petition Anand to cease linking to DailyTech. That's the only reason I end up in this cesspool of norms.

RE: Great
By Smilin on 2/19/2010 1:11:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, you really are an idiot. You just committed an ad hominem and an appeal to authority fallacy in one passage.

LOL that's so cute. You called someone an idiot then followed it with misinterpretations of logic. You'll probably grammar Nazi me with a typo next.

No where in that did I state that GW claims are substantiated so an ad hominem did not occur. Also since I again did not state the claims as substantiated I could not have appealed to scientists as an authority.

You should give up on college and go get a job...pretentious prick.

RE: Great
By DominionSeraph on 2/19/2010 8:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
Jesus Christ. Am I the only DailyTech reader who can do basic math?

P only if Q
Not Q.

Why the hell are you idiots throwing around P?

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