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Nissan LEAF
Nissan to be aggressive with LEAF pricing

Nissan is revealing a few more details about the buying process and deliveries for its upcoming LEAF fully-electric vehicle. Nissan announced yesterday that potential customers can begin putting down $100 deposits on the LEAF starting in April -- to be the first to get news about when the exact date in April deposits will be taken, Nissan recommends that you sign up at this website.

In August, Nissan will begin taking firm orders for the LEAF. Finally, in December, deliveries of the first LEAF EVs will take place around the same time in the United States, Japan, and Europe.

For inquiring minds, the battery pack will be included in the purchase price of the LEAF contrary to previous reports and speculation on the subject. Speaking of pricing, a Nissan spokesman claims that the official price of the LEAF -- which will also be announced in April -- will be close to that of a base model Toyota Prius. Toyota's Prius currently retails for just under $23,000 in the United States, so that would be an astonishing feat for the Japanese automaker.

We're more inclined to be believe that the "low 20s" price tag is after a $7,500 federal tax credit which is sure to attract quite a few buyers. However, if the price tag is before the $7,500 credit, Nissan dealerships might have trouble keeping up with demand for the compact hatchback.

"The Nissan LEAF purchase process is effortless, transparent and accessible, offering value with a one-stop-shop approach for everything related to the car, including the assessment, permitting and installation of in-home battery charging units," said Carlos Tavares, Chairman, Nissan Americas. "We want everyone to feel good about having a car that is affordable, fun to drive and good for the environment."

The Nissan LEAF uses a 24kWh lithium-ion battery pack and an 80kW electric motor (107hp). The vehicle has a maximum range of 100 miles and can travel at up to 87 mph which should be fast enough for just about every U.S. market save for Atlanta.

Although not a full-electric vehicle like the LEAF, the Chevrolet Volt will also be vying for a place U.S. customers' garages this year. The Volt will hit the streets in the closing months of 2010 and could be priced in the low $30,000 range after a $7,500 federal tax credit. The Volt has a battery-only range of 40 miles, but can use its gasoline engine/generator to travel an additional 300 miles.



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Bye Bye...
By bradmshannon on 2/12/2010 8:55:18 AM , Rating: 2
Bye bye Volt!




RE: Bye Bye...
By Hiawa23 on 2/12/2010 9:24:02 AM , Rating: 3
The electric revolution is cool & all but that to me is still too much for a car that size, & I am guessing the car will be $32 to 35k - $7500 credit. I think most will just stick with gas vehicles.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Gyres01 on 2/12/2010 11:43:55 AM , Rating: 1
Hell for that price you can get a Civic & a Scion...and we wonder which will last longer???


RE: Bye Bye...
By ArcliteHawaii on 2/14/2010 3:12:49 AM , Rating: 1
gas will be 4$ a gallon this summer and $8 within 5 years. Anyone with a Nissan Leaf will pretty much have the road to themselves.


RE: Bye Bye...
By semiconshawn on 2/14/2010 1:17:56 PM , Rating: 2
Since you can see the future can you give us the powerball numbers?


RE: Bye Bye...
By quiksilvr on 2/14/2010 1:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think you mean it will be approaching $3 a gallon this summer.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Spuke on 2/12/2010 9:28:39 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Bye bye Volt!
Let the ignorance begin!!!!!


RE: Bye Bye...
By tayb on 2/12/2010 10:34:54 AM , Rating: 2
Volt wasn't going anywhere anyways. 40 miles on a charge and then it basically becomes a standard ICE vehicle. Not to mention it comes standard with the Chevy brand durability and cost about $10,000+ more than the competition. Really the only thing the Volt ever actually had going for it was the styling and they managed to screw that one up somewhere between concept car and production model. They've also delayed the car so many times that by the time it comes to the market, if it ever does, it will be directly competing with what I consider to be superior models instead of being the lone wolf out there.

Now, one thing that the Volt does have going for it is that it can actually be your main car whereas the Leaf could never be your only vehicle. Still, it's too expensive and doesn't get nearly enough miles per charge.


RE: Bye Bye...
By therealnickdanger on 2/12/2010 10:41:08 AM , Rating: 4
Yeah, WTF happened to the initial $15,000 estimates? I would actually consider the LEAF as a commuter car for 15K.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Mitch101 on 2/12/2010 3:46:48 PM , Rating: 1
It is but you have to tack on all the Guilt Credits which raises the price significantly.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Shining Arcanine on 2/15/2010 6:09:38 AM , Rating: 2
The carbon credits for the production of its lithium ion batteries are probably raising the price. Thank the democrats.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Keeir on 2/12/2010 11:24:05 AM , Rating: 5
And so the ignorance begins

Interesting Fact One.

There are no independant verification of the range per charge of the Nissan Leaf. Nissan has claimed that on the LA04 Cycle, the Leaf is capable of 100 miles. The LA04 cycle is pretty gentle and is typically conducted at a temperature close to optimal (low to no accessory loads).

If you drive your car during high heat or cold rain or snow... during the night, I would wait to get some information about the Leaf's range in that condition before replacing my car with the Leaf. Early reports from other electric cars indicate real range in these situations might be 50-60% optimal.

The beauty of the Volt system is that, regardless of the situation, the Volt will get much more than 100 miles when fully charged and with a full tank. The Volt can also grab another 200+ miles of range in 10 minutes at any existing gas station.

Interesting Fact 2.

Nissan is not required to offer the same type of battery warranty of its air cooled pack as PHEV like the Volt or Prius.

Looking at Tesla's example as well as consumer products like the iphone, Nissian's warranty for both purchase and lease might amount to "70% capacity after 5 years is acceptable". The Volt on the other hand, must deliever the same number of AER miles in the same situation for the duration of the warranty period. (As I read California's emission parts regulation)

Interesting Fact 3.

The Volt has never once been delayed. Production plans at the start of the program called for sales to start in late 2010. Gee... Nov, 2010 sure seems ontrack.


RE: Bye Bye...
By TheRequiem on 2/12/2010 12:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
Your missing the point, as usual. The point of the Chevy Volt is that MOST daily drivers only drive about 40 miles or less, so basically, they'll have to use the cars gas engine less. It is not an ideal vehicle for 200 miles a day usage, obviously. They also have made the car pretty cheap considering the cost of materials.


RE: Bye Bye...
By tayb on 2/16/2010 1:27:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'd like to meet all of these people who have these amazingly short and comforting rides to and from work and then when they get home just park their car and never bother getting into it the rest of the evening.

Please, introduce me to him.

Take a look at mileage statistics. 90% of peoples daily commutes are NOT 40 miles or less. And that doesn't even include wasted energy sitting in traffic.


RE: Bye Bye...
By namechamps on 2/12/2010 2:33:29 PM , Rating: 3
I think you are missing the point.

For most consumers 90% of driving is commutes and short trips on weekends.

5 days a week * 52 weeks * 40 miles = 10,400 miles.
Figure another 25 per weekend * 52 = 12,000ish miles.

I drove 14,000 miles last year. So that would be only 2000 miles on gasoline. At 40mpg that's 50 gallons of gas per year.

I wouldn't mind having to fill up 5 gallons once a month or so.

Sure electricity isn't free but it is a magnitude cheaper than gasoline.


RE: Bye Bye...
By ArcliteHawaii on 2/14/2010 3:18:22 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't become a standard ICE vehicle. The gas engine produces electricity, it doesn't drive the wheels. I actually think the Volt is the best hybrid out there. It offers the best of both worlds: the vast majority of driving will be done via electric, but it still has range for long trips. The idea to do it this way is the smartest implementation yet, although the Prius design is a close second. The Nissan Leaf is really only useful as a second car, and mostly in urban environs, although it's the perfect car where I live: Oahu. It's pretty much impossible to drive more than 80 miles in a day.


RE: Bye Bye...
By tayb on 2/16/2010 1:29:48 AM , Rating: 2
I guess you didn't read where it said "basically becomes a standard ICE vehicle." Thanks for letting me know exactly what I already knew about the Volt and combustion engines though.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Masospaghetti on 2/14/2010 9:36:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Volt wasn't going anywhere anyways. 40 miles on a charge and then it basically becomes a standard ICE vehicle.


40 miles on a charge is enough to almost entirely eliminate fuel consumption for daily use, and having the range extender makes the Volt infinitely more practical than the Leaf.

quote:
Really the only thing the Volt ever actually had going for it was the styling and they managed to screw that one up somewhere between concept car and production model.


You are complaining about the styling? Compared to what, the Prius or the Leaf? The Leaf looks ridiculous.

quote:
They've also delayed the car so many times that by the time it comes to the market, if it ever does, it will be directly competing with what I consider to be superior models instead of being the lone wolf out there.


They haven't delayed the Volt even once. It's always been slated for late 2010 availabiility. And remind me, what models are "superior"? The Leaf is ugly, smaller, less powerful, and range limited - AND - I would bet that the batteries will not have the longevity of the Volt's batteries, as the Leaf will only use air cooling for its batteries and is much more aggressive with the charge and discharge cycles. Remember the Volt only uses 50% of its capacity to improve life - and it uses active cooling to maintain a good environment for the batteries.

The Prius, if its not accelerating to its demise, will only have a 12.5 mile range with full electric and is going to be nowhere near $10k cheaper.


RE: Bye Bye...
By chruschef on 2/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: Bye Bye...
By chick0n on 2/13/2010 8:11:42 AM , Rating: 2
volt looks cool ?

wow, talk about FAILED.

Sir you are number one.


RE: Bye Bye...
By chruschef on 2/13/2010 1:02:25 PM , Rating: 1
In terms of hybrids? yeah it looks cool. the hybrid looks kind of sissy, the leaf is on another planet, and the volt looks kinda cool ..

by no means, does any hybrid compare visually to say... a ferrari, or an aston martin.


RE: Bye Bye...
By jimbojimbo on 2/15/2010 2:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
So you're saying it's the least ugly of the ugliest. Honestly the concept design was cool but now it looks lame. If they actually stuck to that original design I guarantee there would be a LOT more excitement behind this car.


RE: Bye Bye...
By muIIet on 2/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: Bye Bye...
By ArcliteHawaii on 2/14/2010 3:23:36 AM , Rating: 2
You're right about the maintenance, but the Leaf can only ever be a second car/urban runabout for the vast majority of Americans. That's the genius of the Volt: the best of both worlds: electric for the vast majority of driving, but the range and easy of refueling for long trips. I'd hardly call that "a joke".

Unless you live on Oahu, like I do. Then the leaf is the perfect car. YOu can't drive more than 20 miles in any direction here.


RE: Bye Bye...
By Masospaghetti on 2/14/2010 9:41:31 AM , Rating: 4
Volt mitigates some of the double-maintenance problem because it doesn't have a transmission or driveshafts. And how often would you need to change your spark plugs or air cleaner on an engine that doesn't run for more than a couple thousand miles a year? The alternative is to have a primary (gasoline) vehicle and a second EV - which is much more combined maintenance than the Volt alone.


RE: Bye Bye...
By muIIet on 2/14/2010 3:17:17 PM , Rating: 1
Ok I agree but it is double the maintenance but not as bad as a hybrid. If the Volt had 100 mile range on the battery alone like the Leaf then I would think it would be great.

I agree with ArcliteHawaii 100% on it being a second car or just a around town car. I really do think the leaf would be a ton cheaper to operate for in town use.


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