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Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN IPCC is being called on to resign after a botched climate report which made alarming claims. Mr. Pachauri, who holds no formal climate training, won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore and has been a vocal voice blasting climate criticism as "voodoo magic".  (Source: Mikhail Evstafiev)
IPCC's chairman under pressure to step down after embarrassing retraction

The United Nation's International Panel for Climate Change is supposed to be an objective international forum to discuss the possibility of climate change and its causation.  Some say that its reputation as an objective party has been compromised in recent years, by statements from its leadership indicating a clear pro-anthropogenic warming agenda.

At the center of the policy push is the IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri.  Mr. Pachauri has no formal education in climatology, yet was appointed in 2002 to lead arguably the world's most influential climatology panel.  Since, he has stirred up much controversy, suggesting that people internationally give up meat to fight climate change and supervising the publication of alarming climate change predictions.

However, Mr. Pachauri's days as IPCC Chairman may be nearing an end.  Mr. Pachauri has been forced to retract an alarming publication in which he claimed Himalayan Glaciers would melt by 2035.  Many in the general public and research community are calling for his resignation in the retraction's wake.

Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, vice chairman of the IPCC, is doing his best to defend his boss's controversial remarks.  He calls them a "human mistake" and comments, "Aren't mistakes human? Even the IPCC is a human institution and I do not know of any human institution that does not make mistakes, so of course it is a regrettable incident that we published that wrong description of the Himalayan glacier."

Mr. Pachauri's publication was made more controversial by his harsh criticism of those who questioned it.  He said that climate skeptics used "voodoo science" and urged the climate research community and international governments to ignore their concerns.

Mr van Ypersele, professor of climatology and environmental sciences at the Catholic University of Louvain defends these remarks.  He states, "I would personally not have used the voodoo science wording. I think humans can sometimes use words that are a bit too strong but it is certainly not a reason to ask for the resignation of a chairman who has done an excellent job. We are trying to do our best, we are going to reinforce the review procedures so the probability in the next report of such incidents happening is even lower. But to guarantee a zero fault product is probably not possible for any human enterprise."

Perhaps the more troublesome topic, however, is the report itself.  The IPCC 2007 report contained both the questionable glacier reference and highly questionable conclusions about global warming creating a bevy of natural disasters.  Before its recent retraction, the report was driving international climate legislation, including pending legislation in the U.S. that is estimate to leave Americans $9.4 trillion USD poorer.

The report was supposedly reviewed by the IPCC's 2,000 members.  Argues Mr. van Ypsersele, "We are trying to do the best job we can in assessing the quality information about climate change issues in all its dimensions and some do not like the conclusions of our work. Now it is true we made a mistake around the glacier issue, it is one mistake on one issue in a 3,000 page report. We are going to reinforce the procedures to try this does not happen again."

He claims the retraction will not impact the publication's credibility and stands behind the report's other controversial claims, including the prediction of natural catastrophe.  He states, "I would like to submit that this could increase the credibility of the IPCC not decrease it. Why is that? Would you trust someone who has admitted an error and is ready to learn from his or her mistake or someone who claims to be unassailable? The IPCC does not claim to be unassailable, when there is a good reason to admit a mistake we do it, but for the rest of IPCC conclusions we stand by it very strongly"

Mr. Pachauri, who holds advanced degrees in industrial engineering and economics, has blasted Westerners for leading an "unsustainable" lifestyle.  Curiously, though, according to the British newspaper, The Telegraph, "[Pachauri] enjoys a lavish personal lifestyle; his Delhi home is in the Golf Links area, the most expensive stretch of residential real estate in India, and he is famous for his '$1,000 suits'."

Al Gore and Mr. Pachauri were joint recipients of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for their warming work.



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Why stop?
By webstorm1 on 1/26/2010 10:15:23 AM , Rating: 5
Why stop with the chairman? If it's supposed to be a scientific entity, they should start from scratch. Get real scientists also, that would be a good start. Objective measurement and conclusions would be a refreshing change.




RE: Why stop?
By Denigrate on 1/26/2010 10:25:25 AM , Rating: 5
Why go with actual science? Al gore wouldn't be 100's of millions of dollars richer from carbon trading if we used actual science.


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 2:09:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The scientific thing to do in this situation is to reduce C02 emissions and measure the effect.

Really? We should enact the trillion-dollar legislation and THEN try to find out if we should? That's like saying we should launch astronauts into space without suits so we can measure how painfully they died from vacuum exposure.


RE: Why stop?
By Ticholo on 1/26/2010 2:36:24 PM , Rating: 5
You didn't get the point of his post.
He was being scientific about it.
He posted to see if it was the right opinion to have.
Hopefully now he knows better.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 2:52:52 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
He posted to see if it was the right opinion to have.

It sure looks like he was ASSERTING that it's the right opinion to have, and he's absolutely incorrect that it is scientific: You don't conduct an experiment to make observations if your hypothesis isn't complete.


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 3:31:49 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, since reducing emissions won't reduce atmospheric CO2 (but raising emissions will raise them), the best way to test the hypothesis is to burn all the gas and oil we can.

Cool. Glad you agree with us.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 3:33:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Reducing C02 emissions is the best way to test it.

Best how? In terms of practicability? According to the UN's own reports, we'd need to drop CO2 emissions more than 80% (actually, 80% was the number they cited just to significantly SLOW DOWN the alleged warming). You think it's practical to just nix 80%+ of the plant's CO2 emissions?

The BEST way to test it is to compare historical CO2 levels - on geological time scales, which means a handful of centuries will NOT give you the proper sample size - to historically estimated temperatures. Oh, wait, they did that and found that CO2 and temperature changes were not always correlated.


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By FITCamaro on 1/26/2010 11:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing you win is a big bag o fail.

To reach the IPCCs goals we'd have to find a way to stop volcanoes from erupting, forest fires from starting, cows from farting and taking a dump, etc.

But since you're so adamant about it, get off your damn computer. You're using energy likely coming from a coal power plant. Move into to the woods and become a tree person. Walk the walk or shut the f*ck up.

I bet you don't wish for your own standard of living to go down. But then the way you talk you just might be that stupid.


RE: Why stop?
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 1/27/2010 9:27:46 AM , Rating: 2
Checkmate I win???

Dude you are not even on the board to start playing. Do you know what the biggest producer of CO2 is? Answer Volcanoes... and supposedly more are going off now then 100 years ago, so should be plug them up, since in one year they do more damage then 100 years of human "damage"? Next question, do you know what creature produces the most CO2 (many times more than all humans)? Answer the termites in South American rain forest. So, should be chop down all the rain forest just the kill or stop these creatures from putting out so much CO2? Now the third question, Do you know the largest consumer of CO2? Answer, Plants... The increase in CO2 should be increasing plant life which will increase Oxygen levels... if we let the planet take care of itself and we do not screw it up... After all it's been doing a pretty good job for how many years now?? If you want to talk about not cutting down large forest, rain forest or to limit the cutting and replanting two trees for every one cut... then you would have a strong provable point. CO2 is something we need, getting rid of it (controlling it) is just stupid.


RE: Why stop?
By XIAOYI on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 2:35:39 PM , Rating: 5
" That's why "Climategate" had no effect on the discussions at the Climate Conference in Copenhagen. "

Haha, what? Even the strongest supporters of the conference admit it failed. Not one single binding agreement came out of it, and several nations attending openly mocked calls for future emission cuts.

In any case, the conference is nothing but an excuse to push socialist agendas. The speaker there who got the most cheers (and a standing ovation, no less) was Hugo Chavez, a man who is rapidly leading his own country into economic and civil ruin.


RE: Why stop?
By Guyver on 1/26/2010 2:51:12 PM , Rating: 5
Science has yet to prove:

1. CO2 causes global warming

2. Man-made CO2 is the primary catalyst for warming on this planet.

If science proves CO2 causes global warming (outside of computer simulations based on the assumption that CO2 is the cause), then what other green house gases should be regulated? What about water vapor?


RE: Why stop?
By webdragon on 1/26/2010 3:53:03 PM , Rating: 4
what other green house gases should be regulated?

How about all the hot air generated by POLITICS, POLITICIANS, and both their supporters and detractors.

I would estimate that the temperature worldwide would drop a few degrees even if all they did was stop making campaign promises. =8)


RE: Why stop?
By UNCjigga on 1/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: Why stop?
By kattanna on 1/26/2010 5:30:27 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
CO2 has a measurable greenhouse effect and this has been well-documented for over 30 years


whats missing from that phrase is "within a controlled laboratory environment".

placing CO2 within a sealed and static container and then applying a "sun" source, while effective at directly measuring the heat trapping effect of CO2, is NOT a real world environment, and therefore cannot be used as an accurate model of how it works within our atmosphere.


RE: Why stop?
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 1/27/2010 9:43:43 AM , Rating: 2
Umm, I'm pretty sure you're wrong on #1. CO2 has a measurable greenhouse effect and this has been well-documented for over 30 years. Perhaps you meant to phrase that as:

that's comical, no he has it correct... they have yet to prove it... well-documented for over 30 years. That is so very little data to go off of it is not even fun. The planet has been around for billions of years, there are billions of people on this planet. So for fun lets say 1 year = 1 person. By your "Well-documented" data you have asked 30 people questions and plan to implement a plan that will effect all the billion of people from this tiny amount of data.


RE: Why stop?
By ZHENDHIDE4 on 1/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By SublimeSimplicity on 1/26/2010 10:45:55 AM , Rating: 5
I agree... I think at this point they need to disolve the whole thing and start from scratch. Maybe this time with some scientists and not "scientists".

quote:
The United Nation's International Panel for Climate Change is supposed to be an objective international forum to discuss the possibility of climate change and its causation.


Frankly, when this sentence almost causes me to LOL, any chance of redeeming their credibility is lost.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 2:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe this time with some scientists and not "scientists".

They're sciencists: Guys that are good at sounding sciency.


RE: Why stop?
By Ticholo on 1/26/2010 2:46:18 PM , Rating: 4
I don't even know why they should start over.
Climate. Changes.
There. No more to discuss.

And studying the "possibility" of climate changing is indeed hilarious. Try replacing Climate Change with Sun Rise.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 2:58:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Climate. Changes.
There. No more to discuss.

Plenty more to discuss. HOW does the climate change? By how much? At what rate? What changes will societies have to make to properly adapt to that climate change? Will we need to move communities? Will we need to move agriculture? Will we need genetically enhanced crops that will be more resistant to temperature extremes?

The very nature of climate change makes it essentially necessary, for long-term survival and thrival, to develop solid anticipation of climate shifts. The myopic focus on "man causing climate change" has resulted in a surprisingly sad amount of research conducted from the point of view of climate change being (almost) entirely a natural occurrence, and thus many of the specifics are still unknown.


RE: Why stop?
By webdragon on 1/26/2010 3:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed. classic case of "treating the symptoms instead of the cause"


RE: Why stop?
By snyper256 on 1/28/2010 2:40:32 AM , Rating: 2
There's not even any reason to anticipate a problem, though. What evidence is there that any sort of climate change could pose a threat?

It's actual toxic (unlike CO2) pollution that the corporations and governments need to fix, not a little climate fluctuation. I seriously doubt that the world has never seen similar temperatures in the past millions of years.


RE: Why stop?
By Guyver on 1/26/2010 3:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
IPCC lead contributing author even said over 2 years ago that the IPCC is not objective due to its structure to promote political agendas: http://tinyurl.com/2lb4sn


RE: Why stop?
By FITCamaro on 1/26/2010 11:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
They have scientists....from this high school

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2420405/pos...


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 10:51:35 AM , Rating: 5
Ignorant statements like this just make me cry. First of all, there's no practical way we can "reduce" atmospheric CO2, even if we stopped burning all coal and oil together (which aint gonna happen-- China, the world's biggest consumer now, just said it has zero interest in carbon reductions).

Further, these "scientists" are claiming that we have 100+ years of warming inertia already built up in the atmosphere. Meaning that, even if we did stop emissions, whether it got warmer or colder, they'd STILL claim they were right.

Sort of like they do already, in fact.


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 11:26:01 AM , Rating: 4
HellOOOO McFly! You've forgotten the distinction between reducing CO2, and reducing CO2 emissions. Two different animals.

"Unfortunately, it's China and India that are expected to prosper the most from their advances in green technology, not the U.S"

China and India are both building coal and nuclear power plants like mad, while the US wastes hundreds of billions on the wind/solar boondoggle.

Standard of living is a function of energy the society produces. The industrial revolution brought about the first massive increase, when we replaced muscle power with steam power. The coal&oil age brought another increase. We were allset for the third major transition with nuclear power...then the enviros shut down the technology for 30 years.

Luckily, the Chinese are smarter than we are. They're building an average of 2 new nuke plants a year for the next 40 years.



RE: Why stop?
By jiminmpls on 1/26/2010 12:03:58 PM , Rating: 3
China is buidling wind power even faster than nuclear. By 2020, China's nuclear capacity will be 60GW, but their wind power capacity will be 100 GW.

Even with the nuclear expansion, China will only be producing 14% of their electricity with nuclear, vs 20% in the USA.


RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:17:53 PM , Rating: 3
That report is based of one Chinese official's offhand comments. I'll believe it when I see it. The cold hard facts are that right now, China produces nearly 3X as much power via nuclear as wind, and they have the world's most aggressive schedule for building new nuke plants. The project for 2030 is for 250GW of installed nuclear capacity.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/9088...


RE: Why stop?
By steven975 on 1/26/2010 12:26:27 PM , Rating: 4
Are those stated output figures Maximum or Typical?

Wind/Solar advocates usually only quote Maximum, as those are the numbers that sell public policy. Typical is on the order of 20% of maxiumum. It is also known as the "availability factor". Solar (PV) is usually 18-19%. Solar (thermal) is just over 20%. Wind is usually around 20% but it varies greatly by location. Putting a large windmill capable of generating 200KW will generate 0W if there is no wind!

Assuming what you stated is Maximum, Typical output from nuclear will be almost 3x that of wind.


RE: Why stop?
By General Disturbance on 1/26/2010 3:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
But you must also realize that Solar power is morally and intellectually degenerate, just like all the rest of green fascism.
The technological advances from using trees for energy, to coal, oil, gas, nuclear etc, proves that as man advances, he requires LESS biospheric energy to survive. An ounce of plutonium gives the energy of millions of trees - and those trees get to keep living. At the same time, the biosphere does not use coal, oil, gas, or nuclear fuels in ANY life processes. Man produces and subsides on energy totally independent of the biosphere - aside from eating food, of course, which I would grant is acceptable to most moral human beings.
Solar power, being much less than environmentally friendly, is actually one of the MOST biospherically destructive "technologies". The entire biosphere depends on solar energy. And the naive environmentalist thinks that it's a good idea to take that energy AWAY from the biosphere, not caring that you weight the atmospheric system further to ice-age conditions, which is really bad for life and the biosphere as a whole. And in using solar energy you choose an energy source as dense, essentially, as tree energy, instead of growing trees where those solar panels are, and allow life to flourish there, and use plutonium which is millions of times more energy dense and efficient.

Solar power is WRONG. It is wrong intellectually, it is wrong morally. The informed environmentalist realizes advanced energy technology is all about ENERGY FLUX DENSITY. Solar and wind are millions of times less dense, and hence less efficient, than nuclear and gas, etc.


RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 3:34:40 PM , Rating: 1
"The informed environmentalist realizes advanced energy technology is all about ENERGY FLUX DENSITY. Solar and wind are millions of times less dense, and hence less efficient, than nuclear and gas, etc. "

That's why environmentalists push solar. It can never lead to cheap, widespread energy, and thus a solar society is a small, non-industrial one.

As the famous enviromental professor Paul Ehrlich said, "giving mankind cheap energy is like giving a machine gun to an idiot child".

And yes, hardcore enviros do believe this tripe.


RE: Why stop?
By reader1 on 1/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:18:34 PM , Rating: 2
"As soon as the Chinese moved toward socialism, their economy boomed"

This is a joke, right?


RE: Why stop?
By steven975 on 1/26/2010 12:27:35 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it isn't.

It is very easy to have prosperity for a few (their real system) by subjecting the many.


RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 12:29:10 PM , Rating: 5
The cold hard facts are that China's economy was the size of Rhode Islands -- UNTIL they abandoned pure socialism and moved towards the mixed model they employ today.

China's move to capitalism has given them the fastest economic growth in the world.


RE: Why stop?
By steven975 on 1/26/2010 4:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
But I wouldn't call their system capitalism...more of a twist on facism benefitting a few people. I kind of doubt someone who is not a party member has the opportunity to do well there.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 5:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
No, don't call it capitalism, but there have been a number of capitalistic changes from the '70s that have coincided with their impressive economic growth. For instance, one can own private property.


RE: Why stop?
By olafmetal on 1/26/2010 11:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
Every economic system has elements of capitalism and socialism, although in the most oppressive regimes capitalism may only exist in the black market.

Finding the proper equilibrium between personal freedom and innovation found in capitalism and the common good and regulation associated with socialism is the key to a sustainable and successful society.


RE: Why stop?
By SublimeSimplicity on 1/26/2010 12:43:41 PM , Rating: 2
I suspected that reader1's first comment was said tongue-in-cheek, now I'm positive he's pulling your chain.

If he's not, then I've just been owned by my faith in human logic.


RE: Why stop?
By rcc on 1/26/2010 1:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
He's just a board troll, always has been. If you just assume he's trying his best to tweak people and ignore him it all works out for the best. : )


RE: Why stop?
By theapparition on 1/26/2010 2:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
Holy Crap!!!!!!

His post rating is a .03


RE: Why stop?
By kattanna on 1/26/2010 4:19:02 PM , Rating: 5
yep, makes me chuckle every time some one responds to him.

i think it is actually jason mick under an alternate login trolling the boards for extra page loads and ad views.

LOL


RE: Why stop?
By myhipsi on 1/27/2010 9:09:53 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, I agree. He's clearly a troll, so please guys, stop feeding him.


RE: Why stop?
By kattanna on 1/26/2010 11:35:42 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
In 100 years, modern civilizations will consume about 10% of the electricity they do today


actually in 100 years i predict we will be using 10 times the energy we do today.

desalination will be on a planetary scale and we will have converted the worlds deserts into farm land and there will be no areas of the world that have to rely upon polluted ground drinking water. it will also allow farming to take a massive step forward in productivity as farmers will not be reliant upon rain fall.

as one "small" example of the benefits of increased energy usage.


RE: Why stop?
By Screwballl on 1/26/2010 12:57:40 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
In 100 years, modern civilizations will consume about 10% of the electricity they do today.


wow talk about pulling something out of your ass.... It has already been proven that in about 20 years at the current rate of growth and usage, humans will be using 50% MORE electricity than we are today... and using the same exponential increase even accounting for technological efficiency increases, we are still looking at 300% or more within 100 years.


RE: Why stop?
By Screwballl on 1/26/2010 1:53:17 PM , Rating: 2
wow got marked down for repeating information stated elsewhere... thank you kind people

Here is a link to a report about how world marketed energy consumption is projected to increase by 50 percent from 2005 to 2030, according to a new report from the United States Energy Information Agency.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/index.html

some more quotes:

quote:
World carbon dioxide emissions will continue to increase steadily in the IEO2008 reference case, from 28.1 billion metric tons in 2005 to 34.3 billion metric tons in 2015 and 42.3 billion metric tons in 2030—an increase of 51 percent over the projection period.


quote:
China alone accounts for 71 percent of the increase in world coal consumption in the IEO2008 reference case. The United States and India—both of which also have extensive domestic coal resources—each account for 9 percent of the world increase.


There is a more descriptive story here:

http://redgreenandblue.org/2008/06/30/eia-predicts...


RE: Why stop?
By webdragon on 1/26/2010 3:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Text It has already been proven that in about 20 years at the current rate of growth and usage, humans will be using 50% MORE electricity than we are today... and using the same exponential increase even accounting for technological efficiency increases, we are still looking at 300% or more within 100 years.


does this take into account where exactly we plan to get the resources to accomplish this feat?


RE: Why stop?
By rett448 on 1/27/2010 4:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
Uranium and Thorium Fuel Cycle


RE: Why stop?
By Nfarce on 1/26/2010 11:09:45 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Reducing C02 is the best way to determine whether or not humans are causing global warming.


Then start reducing on your own and stop breathing.


RE: Why stop?
By corduroygt on 1/26/2010 11:08:35 AM , Rating: 2
You stop breathing first and I promise I'll follow :)


RE: Why stop?
By Guyver on 1/26/2010 3:00:32 PM , Rating: 1
Since the burden of proof lies on the shoulders of those making the claim that our planet is warming up due to man-made CO2, then perhaps you along with other liberals should stop reproducing (since you exhale CO2 and having more children would only burden this planet with your offspring), stop eating meats (raising & transporting animals raises CO2), and stop eating crops "out of season". In addition, have all liberals ride a bicycle to work and stop traveling the world to see other cultures.

If you can prove that with all the aforementioned suggestions, then you may be onto something.


RE: Why stop?
By porkpie on 1/26/2010 11:21:27 AM , Rating: 5
More on the story:
quote:
The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders. Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research...
The claim that Himalayan glaciers are set to disappear by 2035 rests on two 1999 magazine interviews with glaciologist Syed Hasnain, which were then recycled without any further investigation in a 2005 report by the environmental campaign group WWF.
It was this report that Dr Lal and his team cited as their source.
The WWF article also contained a basic error in its arithmetic. A claim that one glacier was retreating at the alarming rate of 134 metres a year should in fact have said 23 metres – the authors had divided the total loss measured over 121 years by 21, not 121.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Gl...


RE: Why stop?
By Screwballl on 1/26/2010 1:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
Then that also calls into question the rest of the report which obviously was falsified or use cherry picked data to support their conclusions, rather than real data.


RE: Why stop?
By SPOOFE on 1/26/2010 2:24:20 PM , Rating: 2
It definitely shows that there's significant reason to question the information they put out, if such questionable judgment to rise to the top of the organization. This also puts to rest the notion that the "scientific community" has "reached a consensus" on the issue.


RE: Why stop?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/26/2010 1:50:06 PM , Rating: 5
Why hasn't anyone been thrown in jail yet is what I want to know. They knowingly, and purposely lied, coerced, cheated, bullied, and did whatever else they would to push an agenda. That cost the world and countries like the US incalculable amounts of money, wealth, prosperity and piece of mind. And who knows how many jobs have been lost because of it !

Everyone who had anything to do with it, as well as politicians who blindly went along with it, should be fearful for their lives right now !


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