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Windows 7 is now officially supported for Macs using Boot Camp to dual boot.
Hi, I'm a Mac running Windows 7

Some Mac owners have a dirty little secret that might exclude them from the Apple cool club if they let it slip -- they primarily use Windows on their Mac computers.  Some users purchase MacBook Pros for their strong battery life on a relatively high-end hardware spec and for their slender, lightweight ultra-portable unibody design.

Added perks of Mac ownership include being able to legally install the iPhone app development environment and develop and test OS X applications.  However, OS X, by itself, leaves users with many glaring deficiencies, chiefly an inability to play most modern PC games.

Boot Camp, first introduced in 2006, fixes that by allowing Windows to be installed on Macs and users to dual boot into their OS of choice.  Ever since Windows has been many Mac owners' dirty little secret.

Now Apple has announced that Windows 7, Microsoft's popular new operating system, will be officially supported for the first time with Apple Boot Camp 3.1.  The update supports 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows 7 Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate.

The 32-bit version weighs in at 380.73MB, while the 64-bit version takes up 274.58MB.  The only catch is that you (officially) have to a copy of Windows Vista or Windows XP to install Windows 7 (we did a clean install on the previous version of Boot Camp, though, so this may just be legal rhetoric).

The Boot Camp upgrade fixes the problem of the red LED adjacent to the audio port always being on, trackpad issues, and incompatibility with Apple's Magic Mouse and wireless keyboard.  Apple Update should offer users already running Windows 7 in Boot Camp, the latest version.  For those afraid of using Windows 7 in Boot Camp, take it from us -- its a pretty painless experience, and we've only run into few issues, so far (the problems we did experience were almost solely audio related).

There are also new drivers to help support Windows 7.  For owners of MacBook Pros or MacBooks you also want to grab the Graphics Firmware Update 1.0.  iMac owners should instead install the iMac Late 2009 Windows 7 Drivers.

Mac owners who do use OS X, even occasionally, should also grab Apple's first security update of 2010, which offers protection against some potentially serious security threats.  The update, Security Update 2010-001, is available for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (21.90MB), Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Server (248.11MB), and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Client (159.58MB).  It can also be snagged via Apple Update and features fixes for potentially dangerous vulnerabilities in CoreAudio, the Flash Player plug-in, OpenSSL, Image RAW, and Image IO.



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WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By safcman84 on 1/20/2010 9:50:39 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Some Mac owners have a dirty little secret that might exclude them from the Apple cool club if they let it slip -- they primarily use Windows on their Mac computers.


Why oh why would you spend so much more money on Apple hardware, just to put Windows on it? cos the hardware looks pretty? cos has a "cool" Apple badge?

If you dont need OSx then why bother buying Apple? Apple products have become a stupid statement of status amongst un-technical savvy consumers. most Apple users couldnt even tell you why they bought an apple product, other than it is "cool" and it means you have enough money that you can afford to waste it.




RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2010 9:57:01 AM , Rating: 3
I personally bought a 13" MacBook Pro because I got a good deal on it. Bought it from Amazon for regular retail price, but an 8GB iPod touch was thrown in for free (which I sold).

It also features far superior battery life than my previous Lenovo ThinkPad X300 and far superior build quality. I prefer the backlit keyboard, enjoy the multi-touch trackpad, and have generally come to love OS X (this coming from a person that was PC-only for 15+ years).

Personally, I see no point in knocking someone's choice of computer.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By jonmcc33 on 1/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2010 10:37:52 AM , Rating: 2
I pointed to a number of reason why I chose my MBP, and the trackpad wasn't even in the top 3...

That being said, I generally dislike trackpads as well, but I find the trackpad on the MBP quite enjoyable. Previously, I would always have a Bluetooth mouse or other wireless mouse with me at all times to avoid using the trackpad on my previous notebooks; however, I now use the multi-touch trackpad almost exclusively wherever I go.

But then again, it's all about personal preference. Keep hatin' trackpads, and I'll keep enjoying mine :-)


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
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RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By deltadeltadelta on 1/20/2010 10:42:31 AM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. I despise (DESPISE) touchpads. I feel like I am petting my computer with my index finger everytime I want to move the pointer around. Anything is better. Pointing stick, external mouse, trackball. This has nothing to do with the conversation, but I just had to get that off my chest.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2010 10:51:12 AM , Rating: 2
I thought that anything would be better as well (re: TouchPads) which was one of the reasons why I welcomed to the move to my previous ThinkPad X300. However, after extended use, pushing around the Trackpoint with my index finger became irritating and uncomfortable (constantly applying pressure to a single point on my finger wasn't exactly ergonomic after extended use).

And let's not even get on the subject of Trackpoint "drift" that would crop up at least once a day requiring me to wiggle the thing around to get it to stop.

With the multitouch trackpad, I don't have to worry about hitting the right "scroll zone" on the far right side of the pad like you do with traditional trackpads. I just simply use two fingers to scroll up and down, three to page up/down, three fingers to navigate forward/back, and four to show the desktop.

It's almost become second nature to me now and I find myself trying to do gestures with my wife's XP netbook whenever I try to use it :-)


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Adul on 1/21/2010 12:23:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's almost become second nature to me now and I find myself trying to do gestures with my wife's XP netbook whenever I try to use it :-)


Does your wife know about this! :o

wife, that sounds so off for some reason.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By reader1 on 1/20/10, Rating: -1
RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By bhieb on 1/20/2010 12:53:21 PM , Rating: 5
Point of contention. Apple makes evolutionary products not revolutionary. They take someone else's idea and (arguably) perfect it. They certainly were not the first touch enabled smartphone, but they did a lot right with the iPhone. Not the first laptop maker, but they make a nice platform. Definitely not the first trackpad but a very nice one no doubt.

All of these are evolutionary improvements to someone else's idea (granted they usually add a feature or 2).


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RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By PrezWeezy on 1/20/2010 4:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
I, actually, would prefer a touchpad to a mouse any day. I find them far easier to use and more acurate. The only time I wouldn't rather have a touchpad is when playing a game simply because of the need to move quickly; which a mouse is far better at providing. You don't have to love them, but some people do.

As far as my Mac, I hate the thing. Granted it's a4.9 G4 and not "the latest" but half the time it doesn't wakeup from sleep, I have to go into the terminal to display hidden files or file extensions, the keyboard is terrible (I know the new ones are much much better, but I still don't like the tactile feel of Apple keyboards) and I just don't like the way OSX is organized. It seems very...hap-hazard to me. I have to open the hard drive to see the applications?

Some of my complaints with it are really that important I know. There is a new version out there and it would be like complaining about XP when the problem might be fixed in Vista/7. However, I believe that OSX is much harder to use for what I do on the computer. I'm not typical, I admit, but all that really matters for my opinion is what I want to do with it.

All that aside, I do think the batteries in MBP's are a rather impressive. They can pack a lot more power into those than Sony or Asus or any of the other makers seem to be able to.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Samus on 1/20/2010 10:51:30 AM , Rating: 3
Brandon. Superior build quality to a Thinkpad? Email me what you're smokin' and I'll get back to you with my thoughts.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2010 11:10:21 AM , Rating: 3
Have you used a ThinkPad X300? Mine creaked like crazy. The plastic/composite portion of the body above the fingerprint scanner which intersects with the spacebar and trackpoint click buttons was notoriously "sloppy" and would move when you pressed down on it and would make a "clicking" sound.

Also, the shiny plastic "ThinkVantage" area was also cheap and ill-fitting.

I used the thing for 9 months -- I should know. I'm not just going to sit here and make up stuff just for fun.

My MBP on the other hand is solid throughout and has no such quality issues. No creaking, no build quality issues... nothing.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Samus on 1/20/2010 12:15:09 PM , Rating: 1
That's too bad. Sounds like Lenovo is driving that line into the ground because I still have an 8 year old X40 that I beat the shit out of (to the point I finally broke down and got an SSD after two HD failures from being thrown too hard) and other than three pressure prints on the screen and a chip on one corner, anybody would have a hard time telling it's 8 years old.

I've got in running Windows 7 amazingly fast, too. With the extended battery and add-on expansion bay battery, I get 7 hours and it's still under 5lbs.

And you get the best notebook keyboard on the planet.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By adiposity on 1/20/2010 12:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
Lenovos are still pretty good. That said, upon buying the brand, they immediately redesigned the T61 and came out with the T500. Reviews noted that it was more flimsy and lighter. Some of the metal frame was removed, probably to cheapen it and to improve weight.

-Dan


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By EasyC on 1/20/2010 12:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'll save my self thousands of dollars and take the creakyness.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By bhieb on 1/20/2010 1:02:21 PM , Rating: 2
And some would drive a Toyota over a Lexus. As Brandon said it is about personal taste and budget. He happens to like the MBP and has the funds to justify what he likes.

Yes there is a premium, and certainly it is a luxury, but why is that so wrong? IMHO Apple should realize this and just get out of the OS business. What did the OSX update cost like $50? Why even bother, port your crap to Windows (and possibly Linux) and market your product for what it is, a very well made luxury laptop.

In the end I personally think their profits would go up without all the R&D and support for an OS. Be interesting to know what their profit margin is on OSX, can't be very much.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By n0ebert on 1/20/2010 1:57:22 PM , Rating: 5
I don't see Apple's computers as a "lexus" though. It's more like they are that same Toyota with a lexus body kit to make it look better. Didn't those companies that made Mac knock-offs prove that their PC's had $800 worth of parts in a $2000 price tag?

With that kind of price tag on the hardware you get, I would expect to be able to use my laptop underwater or something.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By bhieb on 1/20/2010 2:32:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Toyota with a lexus body kit to make it look better.

That is exactly my point as most Lexus's are built on the same foundation as their Toyota counterpart. So at a basic level they are just Toyota's with a body kit. But they are nonetheless perceived as a luxury by some.

quote:
Didn't those companies that made Mac knock-offs prove that their PC's had $800 worth of parts in a $2000 price tag?

That is the very definition of luxury. There is no value in luxury, it can never be cost justified. If it could it would not be a luxury it would be the only logical choice. You are trying to make a logical rationalization for a luxury item, and that is a HUGE fallacy. It may be why you don't use a Mac to run Windows, but does not negate the fact that there is a market for it.

Luxury is opinion not fact and how you "see" Apple's is irrelevant to anyone's decision to buy one other than your own.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2010 1:10:59 PM , Rating: 3
I paid more for the ThinkPad then I did for the MBP.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By VaultDweller on 1/20/2010 11:59:31 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Personally, I see no point in knocking someone's choice of computer.

Tell that to Apple. :P


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Crank the Planet on 1/20/2010 3:14:24 PM , Rating: 3
Why buy a Mac when all it is is an overpriced PC? The only thing left that is actually Apple is the OS.

Who can charge $1200 for a brand new iMac and it still comes standard with an 8x dvd drive?

THIS IS 2010!!! Wake up Apple! You have to pay $2500 before you get a box that comes with 18x dvd? What is wrong with this picture?

The only thing "super" about your "super drive" is that it is "super old." Does anybody even make 8x anymore? And don't give me that garbage about "well the average user..."
Apple needs to lose the code for Intel TPM's and make it open to AMD's so that everyone can use their OS. They take a lot more market share from Wintel and double their revenues.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By sigmatau on 1/20/2010 4:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some users purchase MacBook Pros for their strong battery life on a relatively high-end hardware spec and for their slender, lightweight ultra-portable unibody design.


"Relatively high-end hardware spec?" WOW!!!!

I guess you consider being one year behind in video card technology "high-end". Sorry buddy, but if I want to pay the stupid "high-end" prices of Macs, I would like current technology.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By reader1 on 1/20/10, Rating: -1
RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By uibo on 1/20/2010 10:18:49 AM , Rating: 2
wow
BTW I haven't owned a single MAC in my life.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By amanojaku on 1/20/2010 10:16:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mac owners generally make more money than PC owners.
Where is your proof? I live in NYC and the majority of Mac owners I've seen are poor, upcoming artists or musicians. Add to that PC's market share and I dare say the handful of wealthy Mac owners is tiny compared to wealthy PC owners. I mean, it's not like AlienWare, Falcon Northwest, VoodooPC etc... make expensive PCs, or profit from it...


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By SavagePotato on 1/20/2010 11:31:39 AM , Rating: 2
You are talking to someone with a 0.07 average post rating. That's right, he is almost into a - average post rating.

reader1 is the single biggest troll on the face of dailytech without exception.

The only thing amusing is wondering if he is really a troll or really as completely delusional and completely retarded as he appears (or makes himself appear you decide) in his posts.


By damianrobertjones on 1/20/2010 3:10:25 PM , Rating: 1
That one statment of yours shows how ignorant you are and how easily you've fallen for the putrid adverts that apple push.

Just because someone owns an apple machine DOES NOT mean they are of a higher intelligence OR earning more. It's comments like yours that really makes me think that there's no hope for society as a whole.

None of the directors who work at my company, own mac products. None. Neither does anyone else (other than ipods) own a mac with many, many different classes (if such a thing should be said these days)among them all.

Aggghhh


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By JasonMick (blog) on 1/20/2010 10:19:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why oh why would you spend so much more money on Apple hardware, just to put Windows on it? cos the hardware looks pretty? cos has a "cool" Apple badge?


For me it was more a choice of practicality -- I've been developing a couple iPhone games, so it was either that or try to make a Hackintosh. I think there's many software developers (either for OS X or the iPhone) that are in the same boat.

Also, the laptop was much lighter, thinner, and had a better battery life than offerings from Gateway or ASUSTek with similar graphics options. Granted, now with 5000 ATI Mobility designs on there way, I feel a twinge of buyer's remorse, but honestly as someone who needs ultraportability, but still does a lot of computer art+ computer gaming, the MacBook Pro offered the best hardware and packaging for me at my time of purchase late 2009. (I got a pretty nice discount as well).

I can understand if you can't respect that, but it strikes me of blind prejudice. I have nothing against PCs -- my last three computers have been Windows notebooks, and I still primarily use Windows 7 on my MBP, but I had an open enough mind to accept that a Mac might be the best machine for my particular needs.

I've had a great time on it thus far, and it has performed well in my latest 3D gaming fodder such as Fallout 3, Dragon Age: Origins, and FEAR.

Computers are just machines to meet your development and entertainment needs, not a friend -- people should remember that. If something works for you, great, if not get something else. But what good does it do you whining about the choice of someone else?


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Pirks on 1/21/2010 3:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've been developing a couple iPhone games, so it was either that or try to make a Hackintosh
Snow Leo on VMWare 7 would satisfy all your iPhone development needs with zero money invested :P
quote:
it strikes me of blind prejudice
Oh, you just noticed that? Man, you should have read postings of PC trolls (potato and b3an) more throughly, "prejudice" is too mild a word for them.
quote:
had a better battery life than offerings from ASUS with similar graphics options
What? It has better battery life than 10 hours provided by UL80Vt? Are you serious?


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/21/2010 9:09:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What? It has better battery life than 10 hours provided by UL80Vt? Are you serious?


Jason said that he wanted a machine that could double as a gaming machine. The GeForce G210M in the UL80Vt is no match for the GeForce 9600M GT in Jason's MacBook Pro AFAIK.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By DawsonsDada on 1/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By BarkHumbug on 1/21/2010 8:40:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
...for my wife who hates computers in general and my (then) 2 year old son.


Did your wife hate your 2 year old son? Man, that's tough. (Sorry, couldn't help myself... ;))


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Davelo on 1/20/2010 11:46:50 AM , Rating: 3
Status symbol.

You buy a Mac because it has the cool apple icon on it's top. You also buy a Prius, put your hair in a pony tail and turn vegan.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By nextel2010 on 1/20/2010 5:42:38 PM , Rating: 5
You know, that's one oft-mentioned misconception about Prius owners. I own a Prius. I didn't buy one to save the planet or to ever look down on people who drive other cars. I got one because I like the technology and like being able to drive 40+ miles per gallon (got 18-25 mpg on two American cars prior). I'm under no impression that I'm going to save $$$ by owning one, so the only perk I get is not having to go to the gas pumps as often. I'm sure there are Prius owners who are as you described (celebrities, possibly?), but believe me, most are just regular ppl who just want better gas mileage and like Toyotas. To us, the Prius is not a statement or a green status symbol; it's just what it is - a dependable car that gets good gas mileage.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By mmntech on 1/20/2010 12:48:57 PM , Rating: 2
Because certain software is Windows only, notably games. I use it so I can run Super, which can convert any video I throw at it to DV NTSC for use in Final Cut. Even native pay programs like Adobe Converter have trouble doing this with some formats. It gives more flexibility because Mac is inherently better than Windows at some tasks, and vice versa. Plus I can so why wouldn't I. Why run Linux and Windows in dual boot configs?


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By jonup on 1/20/2010 3:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
I do not want to get in a hating war but I think his point was "Why by MAC hw on a first plase if you going to ditch OSx?"


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By Sunday Ironfoot on 1/21/2010 7:22:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why oh why would you spend so much more money on Apple hardware, just to put Windows on it? cos the hardware looks pretty? cos has a "cool" Apple badge?


1. Superior build quanlity
2. Incredible battery life that I've not seen on other similar performance notebooks
3. Fantastic keyboard + backlit, Mac keyboards are the nicest keyboards to type on I have come across.
4. Largest trackpad I've seen on a laptop (+ multi-touch), yes I too prefer a mouse but sometimes when I'm on a train, or in a meeting, and I have no choice but to use the trackpad.
5. Light-weight alluminum construction = easier to carry around.
6. High-end hardware (generally latest intel Core processors with good clock speeds + fast RAM)
7. Smaller size than equivalent sized notebooks.
8. LED backlit screens, yes other laptops have them but as optional extra usually, it's standard on Macs.

I had a look at a 17" MacBook Pro which came to about £2000 then specced out the equivalent Dell and it came to £1600, now I'd glady pay the extra £400 to get the features above, plus you have the benefit that MacOSX is there in case you need it. That's why I'm tempted to make my next Laptop purpose a MacBook Pro, even though I'm a Windows developer and will probably use Windows 7 almost all the time.


RE: WIndows on a Mac. Why?
By OKMIJN4455 on 1/24/2010 6:37:28 AM , Rating: 1
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