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  (Source: Associated Press)
Full-body scanning may be increased after terror attack on U.S. bound flight

With the failed Christmas Day attack fresh on the mind of many Americans, many are calling for increased security in our airports. Security is already increased in the post 9/11 world of air travel, but many Americans still don't feel safe.

Some lawmakers in Congress are calling for increased use of full body scanners that some claim would have detected the non-metallic explosive used by the Nigerian terrorist aboard the Detroit-bound flight on Christmas day. Reuters reports that Dutch authorities have announced that the Schiphol airport in Amsterdam -- where the terrorist boarded the flight bound for America -- will be using full body scanners within three weeks.

In America, President Obama could decree that the deployment of similar scanners in airports around the country be installed. At this point, only 19 airports around the country are using the full-body scanners and the use of the scanners is optional by the traveler. They can opt for pat down instead of using the full-body scanner.

No legislation from Congress is needed for the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to deploy full-body scanners into the remainder of the 560 airports around the country that have scheduled airline service. Reuters reports that the terrorist attacks coupled with the call for increased security and additional full-body scanners in our airports is boosting the stock of some companies that build the scanners and related technology.

Whether or not passengers will be forced to go through the full-body scanners remains to be seen. That decision is not up to the TSA. TSA spokesman Greg Soule said, "That [mandatory full-body scanner use] would be a DHS decision. Clearly we would work with DHS, the White House and our congressional partners on security decisions."

Legislation limiting full-body scanning to secondary searches has passed the House of Representatives but has not passed the Senate. The ACLU says that it does not trust the safeguards in place to protect the privacy of passengers subjected to full-body scanning. The ACLU believes that unaltered images showing the shape of a person's body and genitals would still exist.

One ACLU privacy expert said, "If a celebrity goes through a scanner that kind of image could end up on the Internet."

The full body scanners blur the face and genitals of the person in the scanner and only the operator can see the images. The benefit for passengers to using the scanner opposed to a pat down is that the scanner takes 15 to 30 seconds while the pat down takes 3 to 4 minutes.

Chris Calabrese, an attorney with the ACLU, said in May 2009 when talking about using the scanner or a pat down, "A choice between being groped and being stripped, I don't think we should pretend those are the only choices. People shouldn't be humiliated by their government."

There is much research being put into developing better scanners today. Researchers at MIT have developed technology for a new breed of airport scanners that can tell the difference between items in luggage. The new scanner could for instance tell if a pill bottle holds over the counter pain medications or methamphetamines.



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No Way
By L1011 on 12/31/2009 10:21:31 AM , Rating: -1
We are a free society and I'm sick and tired of giving up my freedoms in the name of safety. You take a risk when you fly and that's a risk I'm willing to take. I will NOT go through one of these full body scanners in order to fly.

The smart solution would be to forget this politically correct crap, stop caving into the useless ACLU, and to start profiling people at security checkpoints. Remember, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.




RE: No Way
By retrospooty on 12/31/2009 10:44:08 AM , Rating: 3
"Remember, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim. "

Tim McVie and the Unibomber might disagree with that.

Point taken that MOST terrorists are muslim, but there are homegrown ones too... And also, there are disillusioned American citizens that go over to the other side as well. I cant remember his name, but he was known as the American Taliban. The point there being "Muslim" is a faith, not an ancestry, they arent all middle eastern.


RE: No Way
By thurston on 1/1/2010 12:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
John Phillip Walker Lindh


RE: No Way
By sumant19 on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By AEvangel on 12/31/2009 12:25:46 PM , Rating: 2
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I strongly advocate use of such scanners.


LoL...yeah cause I'm sure that their safe and wont have any adverse effect on me.

Sorry, you can go through it, I will pass since I'm not sure that the repeated use wont cause some problems.

Not to mention this is an invasion of my privacy.


RE: No Way
By theslug on 12/31/2009 10:50:34 AM , Rating: 5
Profiling is a terrible idea. Can't judge a person based on what others of his or her particular race did before.


RE: No Way
By callmeroy on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By room200 on 12/31/2009 11:42:28 AM , Rating: 2
Well since we're talking about numbers; your plane, statistically, is not likely to be attacked by terrorists. So why check people at all since the chance of your plane being blown up is so miniscule?


RE: No Way
By jRaskell on 12/31/2009 12:21:15 PM , Rating: 5
Your entire post represents a serious lack of understanding the entire point of this country's Constitution. No surprise really though, since most Americans (or most people in general) lack that understanding.


RE: No Way
By Nfarce on 12/31/2009 12:44:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
No surprise really though, since most Americans (or most people in general) lack that understanding.


You can include politicians in that group of Americans as well - especially lately.


RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/2009 3:18:52 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, no, you cannot... the fact is that while SOME people say that what the feds are doing is 'unconstitutional', the fact is that the lawyers, judges, etc. have said "Hey, it's fine by the Constitution!" when they were asked 'off the record'.

That applies to mandating that people have to have health insurance and mandating a lot of other things as well. It falls under that whole 'to promote the general welfare' clause of the Constitution, which can basically be expanded to cover nearly ANYTHING that the lawmakers wish to do.


RE: No Way
By Nfarce on 1/3/2010 12:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It falls under that whole 'to promote the general welfare' clause of the Constitution, which can basically be expanded to cover nearly ANYTHING that the lawmakers wish to do.


And that is entirely my point. Many of today's politicians have NO CLUE what the original interpretation of the Constitution is. Words in 1787 had a different meaning than today, including "general welfare."

But don't let that stop the fascist and Marxist movement in America we are witnessing now.


RE: No Way
By rmclean816 on 12/31/2009 1:43:26 PM , Rating: 2
you realize you just did the same thing he was doing right?


RE: No Way
By retrospooty on 12/31/09, Rating: -1
RE: No Way
By cmdrdredd on 12/31/09, Rating: -1
RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/2009 3:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, they do deserve the protections of our constitution. Our constitution specifically says that any foreign nationals in our country or on our soil (our planes would fit into this category) are treated the same as citizens under our Constitutional protections.

As to profiling 'working'.... no, it doesn't. Background checks on all Muslim people coming from known 'terror supporting' states work.... profiling does not.

Just because someone is a Muslim does NOT mean that they are a suicide bomber, and even if you catch one... it is SERIOUSLY unfair to the other 10,000 who were inconvenienced to catch that one person.


RE: No Way
By Ard on 12/31/2009 1:42:14 PM , Rating: 3
You can try to paint racial profiling in the guise of statistical analysis all you want but the fact remains that it is still racial discrimination. You're targeting a specific group of citizens in this country based solely on the actions other members of their race have, largely, committed in other countries. Why don't we profile all the Timothy McVeigh looking white men while we're at it? Would that be fine with you as well or would you suddenly have a chance of heart if you fit that mild-mannered description? Why don't we just take this to its logical conclusion and search anyone in the same race as someone who has tried to blow up something or commit an act of terror? That would give us Middle Easterners, white men and teenagers (McVeigh and Columbine), Koreans (VA Tech shooting), black men (since the most recent bomber was Nigerian). Let's just profile them all.


RE: No Way
By callmeroy on 12/31/2009 2:40:19 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not hurt that everyone (or at least a lot) are railing against my post on this. I don't change my view 1% -- profiling when based on facts is good law enforcement work. Period.

Btw, I accept that door swinging both ways -- if the crime stats and all the known facts and evidence point towards someone of my race, height, age, etc. I'll accept a cop stoping to profile me.

The constitution says NOTHING against profiling, it speaks about discrimination --- profiling is NOT discrimination. That's the fact YOU folks don't understand.

Also what you don't understand is some of you are just being silly --- profiling should be done only on DATA, collected data -- WTF you think wanted posters are based on? Should we stop posting those too?

Anyone commenting "well then let's just pull every asian over, or stop ever black, or muslim or whatever" -- understand that if THAT's what you think I'm saying then you do NOT understand what I'm saying.

Don't be dumb. Pull over all the asians -- in an area IF THAT'S WHAT CURRENT INTEL IS POINTING AT...

Profiling also doesn't mean ONLY look at where the data points --- again you folks are thinking FAR FAR FAR too simply.

Profiling is nothing but being smart.

Again -- if you think its against the constitution its not me that doesn't understand it -- its YOU!

PLEASE PLEASE rate me down on this more -- I actually smile because it means I hit a nerve and on this one the "disagreement" confirms I'm right. :) its great.


RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/2009 3:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, the 'disagreement' does not 'confirm' that you are right.... if anything, it confirms that you are WRONG. The touching a nerve thing is right... the proving you right just because you are 'touching a nerve' is not correct, period and done with, argument over, SHUT UP!

Racial profiling is KNOWN to NOT keep ANY crimes from happening and just inconvenience loads of people. EVEN THE GODDDAMNED POLICE AND FBI say that, that it is WORTHLESS and that it should NEVER be used.

Now, if you have information that 'a black man raped a white girl, he has a long beard, pierced ears, etc.'... then that is NOT racial profiling.

Profiling is simply discrimination, it is AUTOMATICALLY assuming that just because someone fits into a 'category' that someone made up (usually by TWEAKING THE NUMBERS OR IGNORING NUMBERS!) that they are 'criminals'.... doesn't work that way, and that is why the courts are SLAMMING down hard on racial profiling.


RE: No Way
By ClownPuncher on 12/31/2009 3:49:37 PM , Rating: 2
Should we make them sew a star of david into their jackets so we can recognize them, since Islam is not a race, but a faith? Or maybe we decide that it isn't the faith, but rather the ultraconservative radicals who are clearly chemically imbalanced.


RE: No Way
By BikeDude on 1/1/2010 6:29:21 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm...

Christianity and Islam are the two most violent religions out there. I hail from Scandinavia, and like England our state churches are of the Lutheran kind. Martin Luther wrote at least one book about the importance of burning Jewish synagoges. But to "our" defense, very few Lutherans realize this.

The Koran has its roots in the old testament. The muslims accepts Jesus as on of the most important prophets. The differences between Christianity and Islam are not many.

The difference however is that the Koran is quite explicit when it comes to the Jews. "Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61" (from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/int/long.h... -- you'll find plenty more).

The muslims are tought to believe that God wrote the Koran. The Koran is God's final word. To speak against the Koran is heresy. The muslims put down a council of learned men (not women of course, we all know that women are no good) to interpret the words of God. Long story short: The muslims KNOW they are right. They also know all of God's intentions and commands by heart. They base all their knowledge and science around the thesis preached by these men more than one thousand years ago. Basically time has stood still for these guys.

There are Christians that behave in similar manner too. Christians who are basically stuck in the bronze age. We all know about those cooks who think dinosaurs walked among men... These guys have mastered the usage of the 24 hour clock, but have problems interacting with a calendar.

If we look at a typical muslim society, even one as westernised as Turkey (a Nato member!), it soon becomes apparent that their level of educaton leaves a lot to be desired. 70%+ of the people do not understand that man shares a common ancestry with apes. (Granted, a great many in the US shares similar views, but many terrorists also tend to hail from the US... No abortion clinic should feel safe over there)

We need to educate these people, but in my country, they seem to stick to their old belief systems and rarely break out of their fantasy world. I've seen med school students who defend "the women's right to wear hijab" all the while refusing to realize that many of these women are beaten by their brothers and dads if they refuse to wear the hijab. It then becomes a great challenge to a somewhat democratic society to protect the rights of the many against the delusions of the few. You'd think that the muslims seeking higher education would realize a few things about religion, but apparently not so. To complete this picture, it must be said that they (in my city) have Koran-schools where children gets administered corporal punishment if they fail to memorize the bloody thing (I'm referring to the Koran).

I am a liberal at heart.

But.

The more I learn about Islam, the more I interact with muslims, the stronger my fears grow. I do not approve of body scans. I do not approve of denying people to bring water onboard airplanes (I've been dehydrated more times than I care to count).

I am tempted to propose that every passenger is subjected to a quiz about evolution. Only those who understand this topic should be allowed to board. Problem solved.


RE: No Way
By Schrag4 on 12/31/2009 3:50:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can try to paint racial profiling in the guise of statistical analysis all you want but the fact remains that it is still racial discrimination....Why don't we profile all the Timothy McVeigh looking white men while we're at it?


I'm merely playing devil's advocate here - if "Timothy McVeigh looking white men" committed the majority of terror attacks then those that "try to paint racial profiling in the guise of statistical analysis" would push for profiling them. I'm not taking sides here, just poiting out why profilers wouldn't target white males.


RE: No Way
By glitchc on 1/1/2010 12:53:18 PM , Rating: 2
Wonderful bit of logic...

And child molesters are mostly white. So pony up your PC(s) because we need to scan it/them for kiddie pr0n. The door swings both ways, doesn't it?


RE: No Way
By SilthDraeth on 12/31/2009 2:10:25 PM , Rating: 3
You act like profiling is only profiling race, or religion, or color of skin.

Things that one might look for, when attempting to notice a criminal might be...
Nervous behavior, twitching, clenching fists, looking around constantly, buying a one way ticket at the Airport to a foreign country and having no luggage...


RE: No Way
By callmeroy on 12/31/2009 2:43:57 PM , Rating: 2
I agree - its way more than race, I like to mention race heavily though because that's the "trigger" that sets most people off when the topic of profiling is raised.


RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/2009 3:34:40 PM , Rating: 2
Profiling based on 'suspicious behaviors' is okay... as long as you are not just finding those behaviors 'suspicious' because the person in question is black, white, Muslim, Jewish, etc.

If you were talking ABOUT YOURSELF.... and those suspicious behaviors would be suspicious.... okay, then stop and question the person in question!

However, even looking for 'nervous behavior, twitching, clenching fists, etc.'.... is worthless, because there are people like myself, who have a little thing called "Social Anxiety Disorder" where were are basically PETRIFIED when we are in an area with a lot of people! So we do ALL those things, even though we are NOT criminals..... DISCRIMINATORY AGAIN!

So, your argument is render moot even on those 'suspicious behaviors'. We would do better to do VERY GOOD criminal background and terrorist connection assessments on people before they are allowed into this country.
That would prevent 99% of these things from happening.


RE: No Way
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/2009 5:10:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Profiling is a terrible idea. Can't judge a person based on what others of his or her particular race did before.


How many 80 year old white grandmothers have hijacked and/or blown up a plane ? I'm just curious...


RE: No Way
By KCjoker on 12/31/2009 6:16:31 PM , Rating: 2
When kids get kidnapped they PROFILE....white males in their 30's to 40's. For some strange reason that's ok...I wonder why that is. BTW I'm not against it profiling in either scenerio.


RE: No Way
By callmeroy on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By callmeroy on 12/31/2009 11:16:59 AM , Rating: 2
lol and now that I think about it if its an xray they'll just seen your bones....(and if you are packing weapons of course)....really if you have nothing to hide...why worry?


RE: No Way
By thurston on 1/1/2010 12:56:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
really if you have nothing to hide...why worry


So you have no problem with the police stopping by and searching you home on a weekly basis. I'll tell you why to worry, because this little thing we have called the Constitution that protects us from being searched unless there is a very good reason. I am so sick of people shitting on the Constitution just to FEEL safe. If we destroy the Constitution in the name of fighting terrorism then the terrorists win.


RE: No Way
By room200 on 12/31/2009 11:38:36 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. To hell with the United States Constitu....on second thought, you're full of crap.


RE: No Way
By omnicronx on 12/31/2009 11:38:57 AM , Rating: 2
Plain and simple, don't fly..

Heck by your logic, why wear seat belts while driving? I mean you know the risk, but why give up your freedoms and wear something mandated by the government? You could fly through your windsheld, fly 50 feet and hit a lamppost and take 40 minutes to bleed out, but hey as long as it does not infringe on your freedoms!
quote:
The smart solution would be to forget this politically correct crap, stop caving into the useless ACLU, and to start profiling people at security checkpoints. Remember, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.
You are a complete and utter moron, every race, religion etc etc has an extremist wing. There are 1.5 BILLION Muslims worldwide, do you really think screening for a few bad apples is justified? Anyone can be a terrorist, and if we start screening those with darker skin, wouldn't you think they would just find Muslims with lighter skin to do the dirty work?

Furthermore its not like this doesn't already happen, those 'random' checks are not so random IMO.


RE: No Way
By L1011 on 12/31/2009 1:35:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if I'm a moron, let me do the profiling and you can live in your politically correct, coddle the terrorists, take away more and more freedom society. At least my approach to a problem is more effective. Profiling works.

And seatbelts aren't mandated by the state of NH. I wear one because it's common sense, but I don't need the government telling me I need to wear one. NH's Motto is 'Live Free or Die" and I firmly believe in that phrase. I choose to live freely and that means resisting things like seat belt laws and full-body scanners, the former being a nanny law and the latter being a massive invasion of my privacy. It's strictly principle.

Slightly off topic - Ask Sweden how their mass influx of Muslim "refugees" is going for them. Ask them about the massive violence perpetrated by those lunatics and how ambulance drivers are refusing to go into Muslim-dominated neighborhoods in Sweden. Ask them how many Swedes have been killed by radical muslims. And those people STILL welcome them into their country. It just doesn't make sense.


RE: No Way
By amanojaku on 12/31/2009 1:59:21 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
you can live in your politically correct, coddle the terrorists, take away more and more freedom society

I don't need the government telling me I need to wear one

'Live Free or Die" and I firmly believe in that phrase

I choose to live freely and that means resisting things like seat belt laws and full-body scanners, the former being a nanny law and the latter being a massive invasion of my privacy.
But you're in favor of profiling that takes away the freedoms of a group. Hypocrite much?


RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/2009 3:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
Hit the nail on the head.... the people who are calling for the profiling of Muslims miss the fact that ANYONE can be a terrorist today..... Muslim, Jewish, etc.

It's just that we USED to call them simply MASS MURDERERS... then, they were given a more 'fearful' name in order to hype up the conservacreeps in this country and make them appear to be more of a 'danger' than they actually were!

To be blunt.... I am more worried about a SATELLITE falling out of the sky and hitting me on the head, killing me, than I am of being killed by a terrorist.

It might ALSO help if our country STOPPED pissing off the Muslims by killing and imprisoning without trials their family members. That just creates MORE terrorists by making US appear to be the bad guys.


RE: No Way
By Drexial on 12/31/2009 3:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Freedoms are all or nothing, either everyone should have them or no one. Meaning, you are only allowed to take away what you yourself are willing to give up. If you aren't willing to be scanned when walking through a security checkpoint, they you don't have the right to say someone else should.

We spent 7 years listening to someone tell us they attacked because they hated our freedoms, and then spent plenty of time taking freedoms away. Hypocrisy is seems to be the way of the people.


RE: No Way
By Reclaimer77 on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By n0ebert on 1/1/2010 11:11:50 AM , Rating: 4
Please, please, PLEASE stop posting on this site. Between your Fox News level 'facts' and you berating and insulting everyone because you cannot think of a more intelligent quip are making my brain cells beg for mercy.

You do realize that every one of those racist groups in America (such as the KKK) are christian based terrorist groups who bomb churches and other buildings, right? That's only one form of the extremist christian groups out there. Try doing a simple Google search before making a post that it's only Muslim. They are considered EXTREMIST groups by the US Government.


RE: No Way
By thurston on 1/1/2010 1:05:28 PM , Rating: 3
With all the fear-mongering you do, you should be labeled a terrorist.


RE: No Way
By MadMan007 on 12/31/2009 1:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that darn ACLU and their getting all happy about full body scanners (not):

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/afterma...

Less knee jerk rightwing misconceptions and more facts please.


RE: No Way
By RMSistight on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By Lerianis on 12/31/09, Rating: 0
RE: No Way
By shaw on 12/31/2009 4:27:35 PM , Rating: 2
If we did racial profiling the only people who would be allowed to fly are Asian Atheist.


RE: No Way
By Samus on 12/31/2009 5:57:47 PM , Rating: 2
The terrorists want just this. To change our way of life. Implementing any security measures that are not 100% transparent to civilians basically means the terrorists win.


RE: No Way
By Omega215D on 1/2/2010 1:03:30 AM , Rating: 2
look up Adam Freeland - Mind Killer the music video is a very good example of what britain and the u.s. have become

"Fear is the mind killer"


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