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Movie and record labels are overjoyed at the support they're receiving from the British government

Late in October DailyTech reported on the new three strikes piracy legislation proposed in the United Kingdom by Britain's majority Labour Party.  Under the legislation those caught pirating would receive two warnings, then would be cut off from the internet.  The real headache, though, is how to police the traffic and enforce the provisions on ISPs and consumers.

Despite mass objections from telecoms, citizens, electronics experts, law enforcement officials, and members of the minority conservative and socialist parties, Labour Party officials have blazed ahead with a framework to allow the legislation to be enforced.

According to Labour Party leaders, the government is planning on handing the expense of the Digital Economy Bill down to taxpayers.  That expense is estimated to be approximately £500M (approximately $800M USD).  On average, that works out to more than £25 more a year ($40 USD/year) per internet connection.

And that's considering that the government is counting on the bill reducing piracy enough to increase media revenues by £1.7B ($2.72B USD), leading to £350M ($560M USD) extra in VAT tax revenue.  If that increase isn't realized, British taxpayers could find themselves on the hook for over $1B USD in enforcement expenses.

The initial letter writing campaign is predicted to cut off 40,000 citizens from the internet and cost £1.40 ($2.20 USD) per subscription.  The government appears to have purposefully neglects to include possible economic losses based on citizens being taken offline in its estimates.

Charles Dunstone, chief executive of Carphone Warehouse, whose subsidiary TalkTalk is the biggest consumer provider of broadband in UK, is flabbergasted at how the punitive bill is gaining so much traction.  He states, "Broadband consumers shouldn’t have to bail out the music industry. If they really think it’s worth spending vast sums of money on these measures then they should be footing the bill; not the consumer."

Still the media industry is cheering the British government's decision to obey their commands, despite the taxpayer expenses and objections.  Writes the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, an industry trade group, "The overall benefits to the country far outweigh the costs."

They argue that movies like X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Star Trek have been pirated millions of times, amounting to millions in lost revenues.

And it certainly helps their argument that in the UK, like in the U.S., the media industry spends enormous sums on legal representation and government lobbying efforts.  As the growing conflict in Britain is proving, if there's one lobbyist power in the UK and U.S. that's perhaps greater than telecommunication firms, it's the media industry trade groups.




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RE: I'm glad
By danobrega on 12/29/2009 3:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
You're stupid. Your system does not have queues because it keeps people out of it.

We have plenty of government run health care systems in Europe and they all work pretty well.


RE: I'm glad
By Reclaimer77 on 12/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: I'm glad
By messyunkempt on 12/29/2009 3:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
Seems to 'work' quite well to me. Although I have heard many comments on here about the horrendous state of british government run medicine I've managed to go a good 28 years without seeing it myself. Odd, since I live here. Feel ill? See a doctor within a few days. Feel very ill? Go to one of the many NHS walk in centres and see one within 30 minutes. And all for the grand fee of zero pounds.

I haven't really used the services much myself but no doubt it will come in handy when I get a little older and until that point i'm more than happy for a portion of the tax I pay to provide the services to those that need it. And I personally don't know anyone who hasn't had at least one close friend or relative that benefitted from it.


RE: I'm glad
By Bateluer on 12/29/2009 3:47:48 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting. I can go to a doctor here anytime I wish and see the doctor within 10 minutes usually, for nearly any reason. I can see an RN as soon as I walk in the door.

Americans do not want socialized medicine, and the more we learn about this bill, the more people turn against it. Our politicians are pushing it anyway, which is why I said there will be a house cleaning in the next congressional elections.


RE: I'm glad
By PhatoseAlpha on 12/29/2009 4:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
Ever had to deal with someone in your family with a long term disabling disease? Insurance companies denying claims as a matter of course, simply to delay payment and hopefully not be challenged by the 'insured', seeing as they're laid up with an illness?

Oh sure, you can walk into a hospital and not be denied care. But, don't believe 'doesn't have insurance' means 'doesn't get billed'. You'll be ejected from the hospital ASAP, and if you're really lucky, the bills will have you living on the street.

Yes, socialized medicine sucks.

But privatized medicine also sucks, very, very badly.

Pray you never get to see just how bad it actually sucks.


RE: I'm glad
By Nimmist on 12/29/2009 5:52:02 PM , Rating: 2
Government run Medicare refuses more claims than private insurance. I'm not saying what we have is great, but Government run is worse.


RE: I'm glad
By omnicronx on 12/29/2009 6:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
Apples to Oranges.. I don't think I have to point out what age group Medicare mainly serves. Furthermore some insurance companies are within fractions of a percentage of medicare in which almost all of their clients are under 65.

The above poster's experiences are the exact reason why I endorse some form of healthcare reform.


RE: I'm glad
By Bateluer on 12/29/2009 8:48:31 PM , Rating: 2
The hospitals are required to treat all patients who enter, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or not. You will get treated. Illegal aliens do it all the time.

The best things the US government could do for health care reform in this country would be to 1)remove restrictions on doctors practicing across state lines, 2)allow insurance companies to sell policies, plans, and operate across state lines, and 3) establish a patients bill of rights only only intervene in the medical sector when those rights have been violated.

Government is incapable of running anything effectively. I lived with government provided health care while active duty military and you'll have to drag me kicking and screaming back to that crap.


RE: I'm glad
By ClownPuncher on 12/29/2009 3:59:23 PM , Rating: 2
10% unemployment is normal in which EU countries? The EU all are generally around 4% as an average. Even now, the UK is sitting at about 7.9%, France 7.4%, Germany is close to 10%. The overall Unemployment rate for the EU, now, during recession, is 8.9%.


RE: I'm glad
By phattyboombatty on 12/29/2009 4:17:04 PM , Rating: 2
I think you've got France and Germany mixed up.


RE: I'm glad
By ClownPuncher on 12/29/2009 5:00:20 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, you're right. Though, overall unemployment in the EU stands very close, a little less than our own.


RE: I'm glad
By Hoser McMoose on 12/29/2009 8:27:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The EU all are generally around 4% as an average.

While often quoted, unemployment rates are pretty meaningless at the best of times and terrible when you try to compare between countries because every country has their own method of counting 'unemployment', all of which are badly flawed.

It's generally much better to compare the EMPLOYMENT rate, ie the rate of those age 15 to 64 that actually have a job. The numbers are a couple years out of date, but you can get an idea here:

http://oberon.sourceoecd.org/pdf/factbook2009/3020...

As a general rule employment is highest in the Scandinavian countries and lowest in the more southerly European countries like France, Italy and Spain, with the U.S, Canada, Australia and the U.K falling somewhere in between.


RE: I'm glad
By omnicronx on 12/29/2009 5:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're stupid. Your system does not have queues because it keeps people out of it. Lie. Nobody in the United States can be refused health care. It's called a Hospital, look it up.
Insurance company refusing to cover someone for a pre existing illness or problem, Hospital denying service for non pre approved procedures, Insurance company only covering part of fix to six figure procedure, Insurance company denying coverage because I previous had cancer but now I'm in the free and clear, all equal denial of coverage.

Anyone in critical condition must be served, so in that way you are right, but the statement that ' Nobody in the United States can be refused health care' is vastly incorrect, unless you consider the refused cancer patient being admitted to the hospital just in time to bleed out internally..

Obviously by all of your posts you just don't get it, as it seems quite apparent you do not know any of the thousands upon thousands of people a year this has happened too.

These people are victims of a flawed system, they've paid their fees, they don't take advantage of the system, yet you seem to think its ok for the system to take advantage of them.

This hardly even takes into account those that just plain cannot afford insurance.


RE: I'm glad
By Reclaimer77 on 12/29/2009 6:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Obviously by all of your posts you just don't get it, as it seems quite apparent you do not know any of the thousands upon thousands of people a year this has happened too.


Typical liberal. Hundreds of MILLIONS of people don't go through this. Because it happens to thousands we need government taking over healthcare ?

Thousands > millions.. hmmm.. yeah, good math.

It's clear you'll come up with anything to make your case, while ignoring that the huge majority in this country have competent, affordable, and flexible heath care coverage.

Now please, bring up highly selective cancer examples in your next post. Cause, you know, it's not like you are holding onto that like a crutch or anything.

Again, you don't live here, I do. I am NOT "rich", and I am very happy with my health care. I DO NOT WANT MY GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER HEALTH CARE. What part of this statement do you not understand ? This is the wrong way to reform our system. You have absolutely no stake in what happens here anyway.

I never said our system was perfect, but simply going socialized medicine is using a hammer to fix cracked china. And frankly, if you cared to be honest, you would acknowledge the flaws in your system as well.


RE: I'm glad
By omnicronx on 12/29/2009 7:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
I have a lot of family in the states as my father was born American. I can cousins, aunts, uncles, and grandparents, In fact the vast majority of my family lives in the US. So please don't come across and say I have no stake in the matter.

I read a study a while back by Harvard that estimated as many as 45000 deaths per year can be accounted for by links to insurance companies. This is just DEATHS alone! Now what about those who must live subpar lives (like my diabetic uncle for example that was denied coverage and ended up having his leg amputated). And what about those without insurance that go to an emergency room, get the needed care, and are shoved out the door with a giant bill in which there is no way they could ever pay it back? Compound all these we are talking hundred of thousands of affected people PER YEAR, compound that over the next 20 years and your little calculation starts to make less and less sense.

Anyway you put it your healthcare system is flawed, you've just compounded new problems over old ones (see medicare in which you spend almost as much money yearly than Canada does for its entire healthcare system.). The reset button needs to be switched, and there is no better time than the present.

You've obviously been one of the lucky people as to not know a family member or friend that has had these issues, but I assure you many people have, far more so than just the drop in the bucket you are trying to present here.


RE: I'm glad
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2009 1:29:18 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You've obviously been one of the lucky people as to not know a family member or friend that has had these issues


Well of course we haven't. Everyone in my family is super rich so naturally we have good healthcare.

/sarcasm


RE: I'm glad
By Reclaimer77 on 12/30/2009 11:36:45 AM , Rating: 1
Another thing Omni, do you realize how it feels as an American that while our Congressmen are ramming through this "reform" they wrote specific clauses in the bill that would exempt them from being a part of it ??

So THEY will still have the best care in the world, private, but the rest of us will go to jail if we don't go with the government plan.


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