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ATI adds another SKU to the X1900 series

There is a new Radeon X1900 series graphics card waiting in the wings. According to internal documents, ATI is set to release a single-slot Radeon X1900 GT with 36 pixel shaders. The card is in effect, a cut-down version of the Radeon X1900 XTX and is positioned to go toe-to-toe with NVIDIA's popular GeForce 7900 GT in performance and in price. CrossFire support can be enabled with an external cable connection to a Radeon X1900 512MB CrossFire Edition graphics card. 

Qualification samples of the Radeon X1900 GT are available now with production starting the week of April 14th. According to ATI, support for the X1900 GT will be added in Catalyst driver 6.4 (ver 8.241) -- which ATI expects to release tommorow or the day after. 

Here are the specs for the new card in comparison to the Radeon X1900 XTX:



Radeon X1900 GT
Radeon X1900 XTX
Pixel Shaders
36 48
Core Clock
575MHz
650MHz
Memory Size
256MB
512MB
Memory Clock
600MHz/1.2GHz
775MHz/1.55GHz

The ATI part number for the X1900GT will be 100-435803.  Samples are already apparently shipping to certain vendors and media.  The X1900GT will only require a single slot cooling solution, but it is up to the AIB partners to specify the exact cooler desired. 

Current GeForce 7900GT cards retail for just over $300.  Vendors tell us pricing has not been officially announced, but that every sign seems to indicate that the X1900 GT will show up priced at or below that $300 magic mark.  Since the Radeon X1900 GT is based on the R580 ASIC, there is already talk that an "unlock" might be in the works to convert an X1900 GT into a full blown X1900 XT.  Coupled with good heat sink solutions, and ATI's new stance on overclocking, the Radeon X1900 GT might be the next killer card this summer.



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GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By Xavian on 4/10/2006 7:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
What happened to the 'XL' Line of the X1000 series? Surely X1900 XL would be a better name then X1900 GT (which clearly sticks out and comes from nvidias PR) but for the rest of the article, unless ATi makes improvements on its shaders and pipelines (a la Nvidia) i think this card may fall short of competing with the 7900 GT.

But we will see!




RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By MrCoyote on 4/10/2006 8:56:26 PM , Rating: 1
What reviews were you reading? Every review I read has the X1800XT beating the 7900GT. Except for the reviews on NVnews, or other biased sites.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By MrCoyote on 4/10/2006 8:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
Typo...X1900XT has already beaten 7900GT. X1800XT beats the 7900GT is SOME benchmarks. Nvidia loses.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By coldpower27 on 4/10/2006 9:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
X1900 XT beats the 7900 GT and rightfully so, it is in another price bracket entirely.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By Xavian on 4/11/2006 8:37:42 AM , Rating: 3
Did i miss something? nowhere did i mention the X1900 XT!? theres a 'possibility' that the card could be unlocked, which doesnt mean they will be able to. These could simply be cards that are reused when they didn't make the grade as a X1900 XT/XTX, which could mean that most of these cards wont unlock.

However the card in its current form (the GT not the XT!) will probably not defeat the 7900GT, considering that the 7900GT performs slightly better then the 7800GTX, and one 1/4 of the pixel shaders have been disabled, with slower memory/GPU clocks. Considering that theres really no ATi card out there to compete with the 7900GT at its price point , it might help push down prices for the 7900GT


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By wileec on 4/11/2006 10:15:32 AM , Rating: 2
The X1800XT actually beats the 7900GT in most benchmarks. ATI doesn't need a 7900GT killer. They already have one. Plus ATI x1xxx cards can do AA with HDR enabled. Can you say the same for Nvidia?


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By Lakku on 4/12/2006 2:13:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, nVidia cards can't do HDR + FSAA when FP16 blends are used, but a number of games with HDR have programmed around that to allow all cards to use FSAA with HDR, ala HL2 and AoE 3. I can only imagine in a game like Serious Sam 2, Far Cry, or Oblivion, that performance would be mediocre at best. It's a nice feature but running at 1680X1050 or higher can help make up for it, and it boils down to being something not overly useful in this generation. Avivo is a better selling point for why ATi is a better buy. (Plus, I might add, ATi cards render Oblivion quite poorly according to Gamespot and some other sites, refering mainly to shadows and self shadowing).


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By gersson on 4/13/2006 9:38:59 AM , Rating: 2
But that's cos the self shadow feature is bugged!


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By MrCoyote on 4/13/2006 2:44:46 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares if the x1900 "GT" won't beat the 7900GT? After reading more reviews, it looks like the X1800XT is very close to 7900GT and beating it in some benchmarks. Especially in AA + HDR. It is also $40 cheaper. X1900GT is placed between the X1800XT and X1900XT. So it should beat Nvidia 7900GT too.

Benchmarks don't lie and I could care either way if it's an Nvidia or ATI card in my system. But with AA + HDR, X1800XT already comes ahead of the 7900GT. Yet people somehow think it is so much faster than any ATI card.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By poohbear on 4/18/2006 3:56:11 AM , Rating: 2
"Plus, I might add, ATi cards render Oblivion quite poorly according to Gamespot and some other sites, refering mainly to shadows and self shadowing."

huh? ati beats nvidia in every benchmark i've seen for oblivion. my next card is ati 4 this reason, my 6800gt aint cutting it anymore.:(



RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By coldpower27 on 4/10/2006 9:24:36 PM , Rating: 2

X1800 XT is also much more costly to produced with how complex the PCB is and it's Dual Slot Cooling solution, not to mention it consumer nearly twice as much energy to reach it's performance over the 7900 GT.

Not a complete win in the slightest.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By z3R0C00L on 4/11/2006 10:47:42 AM , Rating: 2
Since when does the cost to the manufacturer really matter to the consumer?

If they're willing to sell a card that is of higher quality (costs more to make) for the same price as the defective 7900GT's then by all means I see nothing bad with that.

If you don't know what I mean about defective 7900GT and GTX's.. perhaps you should read up on the factory overclocked cards.. they're utter crap.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=235


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By bob661 on 4/11/2006 1:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the info but I wouldn't call the cards "utter crap" when it was obvious the problem was a vender issue, not a manufacturing one. Besides, the problem has been resolved.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By coldpower27 on 4/10/2006 9:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
X1900 XL would represent a fully functional SKU if prior cards are to used as an indicator:

for example:

X800 XL 16/6 vs X850 XT PE 16/6
X1800 XL 16/8 vs X1800 XT 16/8

So a X1900 XL would have to be placed between this X1900 GT and the already existing X1900 XT, if I was a betting man I would give it the same clock rates as X1900 GT but make it a fully functional part.


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By Xavian on 4/11/2006 8:16:58 AM , Rating: 2
I stand corrected, GTO might be a better name then GT then considering the disabled parts of previous cards on that line


RE: GT ... taking from Nvidia?
By DeathByDuke on 4/11/2006 3:19:18 PM , Rating: 2
All In Wonder X1900 is the XL. 500/1000 16 pipes.


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