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AMD will be moving swiftly over to AM2 and introducing energy efficient processors

AMD has updated its roadmap, now including processor releases into the second half of 2007. Looking at the scheduled releases, AMD is proceeding well with its plans and production is ramping nicely at its facilities. Recently, Fab 36 went through a transition and upgrade period and was out of commission for some time. Now, reports indicate that Fab 36 is already generating significant revenue for AMD.

AMD Desktop Processor Core Roadmap 2006
Processor Socket Core Name Launch
Date
Athlon FX AM2 Dual Windsor 1H'06
Athlon 64 X2 AM2 Dual Windsor 1H'06
Athlon 64 X2 AM2 Dual Brisbane 1H'07
Athlon 64 AM2 Single Orleans 1H'06
Sempron AM2 Single Manila 1H'06
Sempron AM2 Single Sparta 2H'07

So far, there is no mention of AMD's upcoming quad-core processors. Windsor, Orleans and Manila will be AMD's first AM2 processors, phasing out the older socket 754 and 939 variants. Coming into 2007, Brisbane will introduce 65nm fabrication for AMD and will remain on the AM2 interface. In the second half of 2007, entry level processors will also be manufactured on 65nm. These 65nm processors are supposedly the K8L architecture mentioned by Henri Richard several weeks ago.

AMD Athlon 64 Processor Roadmap 2006
Processor Socket Core GHz L2 Cache TDP Launch
Athlon 64 4000+ AM2 Single 2.4 1MB 65W 6/6/06
Athlon 64 3800+ AM2 Single 2.4 512KB 65W 6/6/06
Athlon 64 3700+ AM2 Single 2.2 1MB 65W 6/6/06
Athlon 64 3500+ AM2 Single 2.2 512KB 65W 6/6/06
Athlon 64 3200+ AM2 Single 2.0 512KB 65W 6/6/06
Athlon 64 3000+ AM2 Single 1.8 512KB 65W 6/6/06

Clearly 2006 is a transition for AMD along with motherboard manufacturers. Socket 939 is on the way out the door quickly, though Socket 754 will still hang around it seems.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processor Roadmap 2006
Processor Socket Core GHz L2 Cache TDP Launch Price
Athlon 64 X2 5200+ AM2 Dual 2.6 1MBx2 89W Q3'06 N/A
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 Dual 2.6 512KBx2 89W Q2'06 N/A
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 Dual 2.4 1MBx2 89W 6/6/06 $643
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 Dual 2.4 512KBx2 89W 6/6/06 $556
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 Dual 2.2 1MBx2 89W 6/6/06 $467
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 Dual 2.2 512KBx2 89W 6/6/06 $362

AMD Sempron Processor Roadmap 2006
Processor Socket Core GHz L2 Cache TDP Launch Price
Sempron 3800+ AM2 Single 2.2 256KB 35W Q4'06 N/A
Sempron 3600+ AM2 Single 2.0 256KB 35W Q2'06 N/A
Sempron 3500+ AM2 Single 2.0 128KB 35W 6/6/06 N/A
Sempron 3400+ AM2 Single 1.8 256KB 35W 6/6/06 $120
Sempron 3300+ AM2 Single 1.8 128KB 35W

6/6/06

$110
Sempron 3100+ AM2 Single 1.6 128KB 35W 6/6/06 $95

Sempron processors introduce AMD's push into low power consumption. We previously also reported on AMD's pricing for AM2-based processors. Noted prices are system builder pricing.

Processor S754 & S939
TDP
AM2
TDP
EE AM2
TDP
Athlon 64 FX 104W - 110W 125W N/A
Athlon 64 X2 89W - 110W 89W 65W & 35W
Athlon 64 67W - 89W 62W 35W
Sempron 62W 62W 35W

AMD will be introducing what it calls Energy Efficient AM2 processors, which is actually slated for this quarter. These processors are designed for LIVE! systems and other HTPC applications that require low noise and low heat.



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Interesting Dates!
By Morpth on 4/11/2006 2:02:15 PM , Rating: 3
Interesting how most of the release dates are 6606 but basically 666.





RE: Interesting Dates!
By Griswold on 4/11/2006 2:07:38 PM , Rating: 2
Blame Computex.


RE: Interesting Dates!
By phaxmohdem on 4/12/2006 11:34:33 AM , Rating: 2
lol when I was Spring Breaking in Panama City, FL there was a plane flying along the beach with a banner that said "6/6/06 You have been warned" AT first I thought it was some religious nut with either too much money or a pilots license, but maybe it was AMD lol. Perhaps AMD wants to shed some of their "good-boy" image and become the devil like Intel :P


RE: Interesting Dates!
By Tsuwamono on 4/14/2006 12:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
damn devil always praying on the stupid. lol


RE: Interesting Dates!
By horsecharles on 4/15/2006 12:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
pr E ying...LOL You may need to say your prayers--don't sleep too soundly...


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
By Visual on 4/12/2006 5:49:32 AM , Rating: 1
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I don't see a 4000+ x2 cpu in these tables :( This just can't be right, shouldn't be right! They even removed the 3800+ x2?

I hate AMD.

I sure hope conroe forces them to cut margins to 1/10 or less. They've become too greedy and need some flashbacks of good old times.




RE: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
By AMDfreak on 4/12/2006 10:03:01 AM , Rating: 3
OK, so because AMD makes a dicision you don't agree with, they are now too greedy?? Give me a break. I can't say I'm happy about those decisions either, but I do want to see AMD in a better financial position so they can compete better with Intel. In the long run I would much rather have a Godzilla vs. Mothma type battle than a David vs. Goliath.

Wake up people, the days of really cheap processors are over like it or not. If you ask me, prices are just normalizing. Remember when a Slot A 800MHz Athlon cost over $200?


RE: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
By Garreye on 4/12/2006 5:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with AMDfreak on AMD pricing. AMD is a running a business...the primary goal of a business is to make money...think what would happen if AMD sold CPUs for the price we think they should sell them for...they'd go bankrupt and then Intel would a monopoly and would be chargin 10X as much for processors.

I dont know about prices normalizing tho...I'm sure that competition will always force the company with inferior technolgy to reduce prices to compete. Intel certainly didnt lower there prices a significant amount a few years ago when they had the performance crown and AMD had the lower prices. Now its almost been a complete switch. I'm sure that things will always balance out and there will always be cheap (and overpriced) processors to buy...no X2 3800+ does suck tho, Im sure AMD will be forced to ship a cheap dual core if there sales start to drop when conroe is released.


RE: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
By peternelson on 4/12/2006 7:06:09 PM , Rating: 2

It's not JUST about inferior/superior technology. Often it's about inferior/superior MARKETING.

Intel spend more on marketing than AMD which puts AMD at a disadvantage (except they did not use such big spend on marketing budget).

Say over next 6 months, including end of April, Intel will bring down pricing on its 9xx processors, particularly when conroe comes out.

With 9xx planned to be at about HALF its current pricing, it would be inconceivable if AMD did not also reduce their chips prices from the proposed June launch figures we have available now.

In (say) October or November these AMD chips will be cheaper and it will then be a choice to buy them or not at THAT price.

Conroe may turn out well, but considering the big price drops on 9xx the 950 may still be a contender at the end of the year too in bang per buck.

If I were AMD I would not just drop prices as a reaction when Conroe launches. I would make them affordable and ship more volume now. They have a few months to sell before Conroe comes into the equation so if they price it right now they can take advantage, and play down Conroe when it comes by announcing their 2007 65nm stuff as a snub to Conroe.


RE: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
By Targon on 4/18/2006 7:37:04 AM , Rating: 3
AMD is running at capacity for manufacturing of processors at this point. As a result, there have been shortages. If AMD had the manufacturing capacity to release more at a lower price, then they might do that, but it wouldn't make sense.

All of the talk about not seeing the X2 3800+ or 4000+ makes sense since the industry has ALWAYS dropped the low end as there are newer high-end and faster parts being added. Why would they worry about selling 1.8GHz processors when a 2.8GHz is being manufactured and there are very few chips that end up failing and being clocked down to that point?

Now, the days when AMD was selling "cheap processors" were before the integrated memory controller was put onto EVERY processor. That memory controller costs money in terms of the price of manufacturing. It's also more expensive to manufacture too many different processors.

Intel has more fabs, so for them, they can leave some of them making the low end processors while the others crank out the newer ones. AMD isn't in a position to do that. If you want a slower processor, just scoop up the 3800+ socket 939 once the new AM2 versions come out. There's your cheap price. Discontinued or soon to be discontinued parts get marked down since resellers and distributors don't want old stock sitting around, so you will be able to get them cheap enough.


Intel Core Conroe gonna be better
By yzhu92 on 4/11/06, Rating: 0
RE: Intel Core Conroe gonna be better
By RussianSensation on 4/12/2006 12:07:46 AM , Rating: 2
Ya for sure Conroe is going to own.

$362 for 2.2ghz A64 dual core vs. $241 2.13ghz dual Conroe? What are they smoking!



By Zelvek on 4/12/2006 1:00:09 AM , Rating: 5
Considering that all we have to go off of right now for the conroe is a Bias and potentaly riged test, and seeing as how we have no idea what kind of performance the new athlons will have how can one say any thing like this at the moment. I will wait to see what the offical results are when the two are both on the market not jump to conclusions.


By Griswold on 4/12/2006 5:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
What are you smoking? Can you buy a conroe now? No. So AMD is milking the crowd until you can, then they will consider dropping prices. That how you make money, not by being nice and refuse to take the money people are willing to give you.


Single core prices?
By peternelson on 4/11/2006 3:16:44 PM , Rating: 2
The Single core roadmap table lacks the pricing column.




RE: Single core prices?
By peternelson on 4/11/2006 3:47:16 PM , Rating: 2

Also did anyone else notice by comparing the prices 3 April versus these 11 April, for equivalent processor models....

The X2 has dropped by $2 (and $3 in the case of the 4200).

Any reduction is welcome.

BUT the Sempron appears to have gone UP.

based on 3400 model WAS estimated at $97 now says $120. An EXTRA $23. That price is going in the wrong direction ;-)

Also when comparing to Conroe pricing remember cost of motherboard and memory to make whole system. Means direct comparison is hard.


RE: Single core prices?
By segagenesis on 4/11/2006 4:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
They have thier work cut out for them with Conroe coming soon. I'm not sure why they would raise prices on Sempron like that, especially when the typical "low end" CPU price is around $100. Probably off base, but I have to question if the "low power" Semprons would even be that much better than just using an older processor... or Pentium-M.


RE: Single core prices?
By bob661 on 4/11/2006 5:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but I have to question if the "low power" Semprons would even be that much better than just using an older processor... or Pentium-M.
Why question? Just go use an older CPU or Pentium M.


Where are "low-cost" X2 CPUs?
By snedzad on 4/11/2006 5:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
OK, Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (35W) should be used in HTPC systems, but standard 65W Athlon 64 X2 doesn't appear. AMD has nothing to offer under $360, no answer to P-D 805, P-D 820 and P-D 920. Or is it surprise? :)




RE: Where are "low-cost" X2 CPUs?
By drebo on 4/11/2006 7:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
Why would they need a dual core processor to compete with Intel's lower-end dual core CPUs? The single core Athlon64s already do a fine job of it.


By Xenoterranos on 4/11/2006 7:35:11 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding, where's the 3800-X2?! I was counting on that to be able to upgrade this summer. Without a cheap dualcore CPU, your only real option for a cheap cpu is going to be the Semperon. If we have to wait for a low end X2, there's no point to buying one of the faster single core cpu's. I was looking to get a sub $300 dual core cpu and a decent sub $150 mobo. Coupled with a cheap 2 gig slow DDR2 solution, that would give me a nice dual core system for under 600...but I guess that was a pipe dream. I may just upgrade to s939 (even after all this wait...grrrrr)

That's it, I'm buying a Conroe. Where's that guy who takes souls as payment?


Retail VS Enthusiast...
By ROB G on 4/14/2006 12:33:12 AM , Rating: 3
Being in retail electronics sales for over 13 years, my guess is that Intel, that spent years delivering the "Megahertz Myth" will have trouble convincing the " Average Joe" that Conroe is a faster processor than the now faster clocked AMD's. Most of the general public started purchasing more PC's with AMD prossecors after AMD PR rating were introduced. Of course cost was a factor but most of the public felt it ok to purchase a less expensive PC with an AMD 3200+ over a P4 3.2 GHZ because they percieved the speeds and performance to be the same. Now the tables have turned, and Intel must undo what years of advertising has cultivated. As enthusiasts we know that Megaherzt don't tell the story but will these lower clock speeds allow AMD PR ratings to continue to grow AMD's market share in the retail sector? I guess only time will tell but my guess is yes, at least until intel can begin to scale Conroe or its variants to higher clock rates. Perhaps intel will have to resort to thier own PR ratings. Thats just my opinion..The general public is not that intelligent...I could be wrong though...




RE: Retail VS Enthusiast...
By rushfan2006 on 4/19/2006 11:03:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Perhaps intel will have to resort to thier own PR ratings. Thats just my opinion..The general public is not that intelligent...I could be wrong though...


No I disagree, I think people are smarter than you give them credit for. What I do think is the general public (aka "Joe Public") really doesn't give a damn about this stuff like we do. It doesn't matter to him/her...you know what the average person thinks of when they want a computer -- PRICE -- how much is this gonna cost me, THEN Features -- will it do what I want to do with it? THEN looks --- does it look "cool" (or in a woman's pov -- is it "stylish" or "cute") THEN they may, if they have a friend or family member who is a PC Enthusiast ask about performance and expandability features.

Generally speaking though -- they really don't care about system archetectures, dye sizes, fsb speeds, single-vs-dual core, etc. etc....they just want to print out pictures with thier digital camera, send email, chat and surf the web. And do it all for as cheap as they can.


K8L will be coming too late for me
By stupid on 4/11/2006 2:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's good to know that AMD will be coming out with a new core; this info isn't really all that new since there have been lots of speculations on AMD's roadmap, but at least the info is confirmed . However, it will be too late for me since I am finally going to upgrade my aging Athlon XP-M 2600+. For now I'll just wait for Conroe to be officially released and read reviews comparing it to the AM2 Athlon 64 X2 series.

The teaser Conroe benchmarks were nice, but I would like to see an actual production sample put through its paces. The brandname doesn't mean much to me, unlike some of those rabid fanboys out there for either brand, it's performance and lower wattage that counts.

Since I also have an HTPC I will likely be researching AMD and Intel cores in late 2007 or early 2008 when I finally get around to upgrading that thing. Ah well, nothing like thowing money at new tech to just so that it can obsolete as soon as you get it.




By bob661 on 4/11/2006 3:43:24 PM , Rating: 2
I was going to upgrade this year to a 4400 X2 AM2 but I think I'll just get a dual core CPU for my present board and get the K8L in 2007.


When Conroe coming?
By AnotherGuy on 4/12/2006 10:35:06 PM , Rating: 2
So AM2 is comin out on june... when is conroe supposed to com e out? Coz I dont think any1 lookin forward for AMD anymore




52000000+?
By headbox on 4/12/2006 11:39:19 PM , Rating: 2
AMD will have to changing their product naming scheme when they are spanked by Conroe. A 2 GHz X2 will have to be called a 1600+ hehehehe




.
By hans007 on 4/13/2006 8:43:58 AM , Rating: 2
you cant buy any of these chips either.

not to mention the prices arent even that good considering its not june yet, and if those are the june prices thats about the same as chips cost now.

everyone keeps saying the conroe will kick this things ass. and it probably will. the amd fan boys counter with , well its probably rigged tests (which is ridiculous as many sites did it, it would just kill any credibility) and that conroe isnt out.

guess what am2 isnt out either. they will launch barely a month apart from each other if conroe makes it in mid july which is what people are expecting.

so you will bash intel for having a cpu that doesnt exist over a mere 50 days or so?

big deal. amd will probably have to cut these prices after 50 days because on the normal desktop market they will have completely lost the performance lead where leveraging hypertransport and NUMA and such dont matter.





Enough already.
By smilingcrow on 4/14/2006 1:27:39 PM , Rating: 2
It’s not exactly in AMD’s interests at the moment to publish the prices that they GUESS AM2 chips will be selling at once Conroe is shipping and FULLY independently benchmarked. It makes sense to currently price AM2 versus S939 and current Intel chips and then adjust accordingly once they know how they stack up against Conroe. After all, most of these chips go to system builders and they have to buy chips now to build for tomorrow’s orders. For home builders of course, it’s a different story. If AMD were to give now what can only be predictive pricing for AM2 versus Conroe, they would just be shooting themselves in the foot.

Maybe someone should open a book on where AM2 pricing will 2 months after Conroe is out! Although, who knows how quickly Conroe production will ramp. No doubt uninformed Joe Public will be buying P4s up until the end of the year. I was surprised to see a £1300 17” Dell laptop in today’s paper that used a P-M and a DVD/CD-RW combo; they might as well have labelled that a Joe Public 1300. I’m not meaning to laugh at Joe Public, because if you only use a PC for the Web, Word Processing and DVD playback, it’s not really an issue.

It’s not surprising that AMD’s stock took a big hit this week, as their margins may get hit quite badly WHILST they are competing with 90nm AM2 parts versus Conroe on 65nm. Hopefully, the transition to 65nm goes well for AMD and they aren’t left struggling with that disadvantage for too long. I, along with many others am curious to see what AMD can pull out of the bag for AM2 on 65nm, as AM2 on 90nm does look underwhelming. The optimist in me suggests that AMD have put almost all their optimisations into the 65nm part, as the 90nm part is end of the line. It’s not at all unusual for the first generation on a new socket to be distinctly underwhelming. Still, slightly nervy times for AMD fans.




new fab?
By android1st on 4/15/2006 4:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
What was up with the report recently that AMD saw a legal loss regarding building a new fab in Austin, TX? Apparently the court case was an environmental issue, so I would assume they are pretty far along on building a new fab. What are the plans for that capacity? I guess the fab probably wouldn't be operational for several years, long enough to not be on this information.




Ahem
By Cincybeck on 4/13/2006 4:08:10 PM , Rating: 1
I hate to be a pr*ck, but some of you really need to check your grammar. I'm not saying your post have to be perfect but when I have to reread your post several times to understand what you were trying to say, it takes any argument you have, no matter how valid, and throws it out the bloody window.

Now.. In response to the price gripes, these new processors are on average $7-$13 more expensive then their S939 counter-parts. Considering they have a slight performance advantage with DDR2(If you haven't already, go read the article on anandtech about the latest batch of AM2's) and the lower power consumption, I would say that is a reasonable price point for the time being. Also just like Intel's 9XX lines I'm sure we will see a pricecut on S939 parts and then cuts on S754 when their proper counter-parts replaces them in the mainstream market. Continuing while Conroe is coming, it's not out yet, and has no bearing on current market pricing, once it comes out if we don't see a price cut on K8:AM2 around that time there will be one once K8L comes into the picture. While Intel is undoubtedly aggresively pricing Conroe, with AMD's 65nm parts coming(better yields), and!! Fab36 almost doubling AMD's production abilities on top of that. I see no reason why AMD can not or will not stay competively priced with Intel.




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