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Fisker Karma  (Source: Motor Authority)

The Fisker Karma makes an appearance in California.   (Source: Ethermax)
Apparently Fisker has several new models planned...

Fox News' previous commentary about Fisker Automotive may have been a bit skewed and inaccurate (Fox show hosts tried to claim Fisker was not a U.S. firm -- blatantly wrong), but Fox's latest take of Fisker is not only much more accurate, but also caught a humorous and significant gaff.  Apparently Vice President Joe Biden accidentally revealed Fisker's entire upcoming lineup -- including unannounced vehicles that Fisker indicates it wasn't exactly planning to reveal quite yet.

VP Biden tipped Fisker's hand at the official announcement ceremony for Fisker's new Delaware plant, an old GM factory which was shut down and sold through GM's bankruptcy holding.  Speaking to reporters, Fox News notes that Biden said, "Imagine when this factory, when the floor we’re standing on right now is making 100,000 plug-in hybrid sedans, coupes and crossovers every single year."

The only problem was that the coupes and crossovers were supposed to be a surprise announcement for a later date.  However, good secrets seldom seem to be able to be kept and the Vice President unwittingly let the cat out of the bag.  Interviewed after the announcement, company founder and CEO Henrik Fisker commented, "[Laughter] He definitely told what our product plans are."

Aside from the leak, plenty more juicy details were revealed officially in the interview session following the announcements.  Fisker revealed that the first vehicles to come from the plant will be the previously announced sedan, which is dubbed Nina.  Fisker is targeting a price of
$40,000 for the vehicle after state and federal tax credits are taken into account, similar to the expected sticker for the 2011 Chevy Volt.  Production will start in 2012, and the vehicle will recycle the sporty powertrain from Fisker's flagship electric sports sedan, Karma.

Reportedly, the stylings of the Nina, named after the ship Christopher Columbus used in his triumphant return to Europe, are very attractive for a mass-market EV.  Government officials were briefed on the design and apparently were impressed, something that helped them reach the decision to grant the company a $528.7M USD DOE loan to buy and retool the shuttered plant.

Describes Mr. Fisker, "
It’s going to have a very exciting radical design.  We actually just showed it to the vice president of the United States of America and he said ‘it looks like a four-door Ferrari, I can’t believe it’s only going to be $40,000.’" 

The Karma will begin production next year at Valmet in Finland and will be imported into the U.S. and sold for approximately $80,000 after tax credits.  Then in 2016 a second generation Karma will be launched, and production will shift to the retooled Delaware plant, according to Mr. Fisker.  Mr. Fisker confirmed that the first generation Karma will get 67 mpg and travel 50 miles in all-electric mode.  He says some drivers will be able to reach 100 mpg or more, depending on how they drive.

Mr. Fisker also revealed that the Karma will feature "stealth" and "sport" modes which allow the user to manually switch on or off the gas engine for more performance, something not known to be offered in the Chevy Volt.  Even once the battery is depleted, Mr. Fisker states that the gas engine is almost equally efficient at delivering power to the electric motors as the battery system.

A prototype Karma was glimpsed at the
California's Laguna Seca raceway, running laps.  That has been the vehicle's only live appearance so far, outside of auto shows.  No journalist has yet taken the intriguing electric sports sedan out for a spin -- yet.


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Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Lord 666 on 10/30/2009 8:07:24 AM , Rating: 0
Nevermind, they probably don't tell him real secrets like that. It is worth noting his initial reaction to H1N1 is something others might suggest now.

While I don't know Joe personally, family friend sees him everyday. That person says Joe is a decent and genuine person and true patriot.




RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By slawless on 10/30/2009 8:13:21 AM , Rating: 5
I am from Delaware. The only good thing to come out of the last election, is that Biden is no longer our senator.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By mdogs444 on 10/30/2009 8:34:25 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
While I don't know Joe personally, family friend sees him everyday. That person says Joe is a decent and genuine person and true patriot.

While I don't know him personally either, that doesn't keep me from thinking he's an absolute moron. Anyone who says we need to keep piling up more debt, spending money we don't have, to keep from going broke....well, they are definitely on the top of the Darwin Award list.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By mcnabney on 10/30/2009 11:56:05 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about you, but I am kind of enjoying Biden as VP. He says all kinds of stupid things. From little stuff like this to saying that Obama was very clean back on the campaign trail. He just doesn't know when to shut up.
Contrast that to our last VP. You know, the illegal leaks, wiretapping, fabricating our reason for war, torture, shooting his hunting buddy... I would pick the accidental comedian any day.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Dorkyman on 10/30/2009 12:16:17 PM , Rating: 5
I don't understand the white-hot hatred of Cheney (or W, for that matter) by some. To me he sounds like a logical, take-charge guy with experience; exactly the kind of guy I would want to run things.

Remember EVERYONE honestly believed Saddam had WMDs. It wasn't some fabricated plot by an evil warmonger Cheney. And if you truly believe waterboarding and playing Zamfir music is "torture" in the sense that ripping out eyeballs and entrails is, then I suggest you need a bit of a recalibration.

Anyway, every time I hear him speak I admire him. Same goes for other members of his family, who seem to have a way to cut through the typical politician's Bullsh*t.

As for Biden, aside from not agreeing with his policies in general, he seems to be an okay guy. Maybe a bit too verbose. Don't care much for his narcissistic Prez.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By BZDTemp on 10/30/09, Rating: -1
RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Spuke on 10/30/2009 1:49:09 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I am not sure what is worse Fox News or those believing their every word!
I don't know what's worse, wholly believing ANY organization (Fox, CNBC, all of them) with an agenda, or going in a public forum and stating in front of God and everyone that you are a sheep. LOL! Pull your head out! They are ALL full of sh!t! They all mix lies with half truths.

News = Entertainment. No more, no less. It's about ads and ratings. All Fox is doing is exploiting the conservative niche (if I'd though of it, I'd do it too) since most "news" companies have been traditionally liberal. I only watch the TV news because a co-worker likes to watch TV at work. I only watch the local, morning stuff when at home, get other news from the internet, and listen to a couple of talk radio broadcasts when I'm driving to work.

I prefer just the talk radio because it's mostly about state and local stuff and the hosts are not registered Repubs or Dems (although they do vote).


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By BZDTemp on 10/31/09, Rating: -1
RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By mikefarinha on 11/2/2009 10:25:52 AM , Rating: 2
You're a nimrod.

The The Brits are taxed to support the BBC so if you think the BBC has anything other than a pro-government slant then you're a tool... a useful idiot.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By nofranchise on 11/3/2009 11:16:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
by mikefarinha on November 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM You're a nimrod. The The Brits are taxed to support the BBC so if you think the BBC has anything other than a pro-government slant then you're a tool... a useful idiot.


You sir know nothing about how the BBC or a lot of other public broadcasting networks in Europe work!
Shows on the BBC routinely criticize, joke about and ridicule the government!!! (Top Gear e.g.)

In my home country Denmark, the government constantly whine that the public broadcasting network, Denmarks Radio, is socialist and anti-government.

I know. It must be difficult to understand. But outside the US, critical, objective - TAX PAID - news is possible.

Of course they make mistakes as well. Of course sometimes it is biased. But that is true for all media outlets.

Don't call others useful idiots when you don't know what you're talking about. Who's using you?


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By MamiyaOtaru on 10/31/2009 4:41:17 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Fallen Kell on 11/1/2009 12:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
Every quote after 2001 was made from bad and fabricated information that was fed to the House and Senate. That fact has already been proven time and again. Of course if I was going off the "evidence" which was showed, I would have supported the action in Iraq as well. We are talking about one of the ONLY powers in the world to use chemical and biological warfare since it was recognized in World War I as an extremely cruel method of warfare which indiscriminately attacks innocent civilians (possibly more-so as the military personnel are at least given basic protective measures like chemical suits, and gas masks).

As a result of Saddam's known past use of chemical and biological agents during his war with Iran in the 1980's, you could only conclude that he would use them again in the future. Then all that is needed is to fabricate evidence that he is creating and stock-piling these types of weapons in order to get support to attack, which was done by President Bush and/or his advisers and/or intelligence agencies who had their own agendas which they were playing out. All of it may simply have been a stunt to get more funding for an agency or program.

I can easily see an intelligence group filtering their current findings to say that they do not know if he has WMD's, but has a known capability for producing them. Or to say that they believe that he may have WMDs, and do not know what or how many, but if you give us more funding we could find out... Then when that simple power play for funding exploded into a call for war, it was too late to change the intelligence report, as everyone involved in it would have been fired, and jailed. Thus you have the mess we are still in now, only that we now at least know that the "evidence" was fabricated.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By borismkv on 10/31/2009 3:23:54 PM , Rating: 3
Have you ever read the 1991 cease fire agreement that Sadam signed when we kicked his rump out of Kuwait? The only part of that agreement that he *didn't* break was manufacturing WMDs. By the way, the fact that the 1991 conflict ended with a "cease fire" means that we were still technically (and legally) at war with Iraq.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By just4U on 11/1/2009 11:08:36 AM , Rating: 3
Not only that, if people look back had the coalition followed thru and done back in 91 like they should have much of what we see today could have been avoided. There is absolutely no question that the US would have entered Iraq again at some point anyway .. it was just a matter of when.

It's a damn shame to because the US and it's allies would have alot more friends in the middle east now if they'd just finished what was started. Ah well.. no one can see the future I guess.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Iaiken on 10/30/2009 2:48:33 PM , Rating: 1
Truth from These Podia:
Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II

Sam Gardiner
Colonel, USAF (Retired)

Perhaps you should read it and re-evaluate your opinion:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/doc...

The author has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College. He was recently a visiting scholar at the Swedish
Defence College.

Synopsis: The Bush & Blair administrations engaged in a strategic influence campaign of using false information and the media to sway the public into supporting a war that, given actual facts, nobody would approve of.

This is not the only such memo from members of the government, military and intelligence communities.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB207/inde...
http://thepriceofloyalty.ronsuskind.com/thebushfil...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml

Additionally, the Downing Street Memo offers up proof from high up within the government of the UK that they knew the intelligence was being fixed to garner support for the war.

quote:
C [Foreign Secretary Jack Straw] reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route


Memo as published in the Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article38...

Congratulations, victory over Iraq was also a victory over democracy. Gulf War 2 was imminent, 9-11 and WMD's simply expedited the process by allowing them to push an approving population and an unwilling congress to act in the military interests of big oil.

If you can read all of the above and still think that the actions of the administration (including Cheyney) is anything less than criminal, then you need go crawl back under your rock and leave the world to the free thinkers.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By conquistadorst on 10/30/2009 3:38:31 PM , Rating: 2
A "strategic influence campaign" is all around you. It's called marketing. It's what's done to persuade the masses from A to Z. Business, consumer products, entertainment, politics, public opinion, and yes even war. I guarantee you every organized operating entity currently out there has an agenda/strategy/campaign on how they can better manipulate you.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Iaiken on 10/30/09, Rating: 0
RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By randomposter on 10/30/2009 4:56:44 PM , Rating: 1
Come on, be honest with yourself then, critical thinking is a vanishing skill among the vast majority of Americans and you know it. The sooner you adapt your behaviour and expectations to this reality the better.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Spuke on 10/30/2009 5:54:52 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
This is not the only such memo from members of the government, military and intelligence communities.
I'm confused on the memo you linked to. There's no information in it. What are we to take from that? Also, the other references you mentioned. Are those sites you listed unbiased or fair? Are they You are aware that any blog site with a specific agenda will cite "facts" to support their points of view.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Smokey48 on 11/1/2009 11:09:04 AM , Rating: 2
The jamokes who are still trying to blame everything happening now on the previous administration are the same jamokes who worship the ground the 0bama/Biden clowns walk on.

These quotes...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

...show conclusively that politicians both left and right all loudly supported the Iraq invasion.

It's a new administration now, and 0bama will sink or swim based on how he handles it. So far he's not doing too well, bowing down to foreign dictators and apologizing to the world for America.

Blaming Bush at this stage of the game is just an excuse for 0bama's failures.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Mint on 11/1/2009 12:33:49 PM , Rating: 1
Did they have much of a choice? The Bush administration did the "marketing", convincing the people who were angry after 9/11 to invade, and they in turn pushed their senators to keep going. Anyone who dissented was labeled a traitor or a weak leader by the right wing media, and as I recall (was in Canada back then) even the so called "liberal" US stations like CNN were fairly pro-war.

The Democrats lost a very close election, new that they couldn't do anything to stop the war, and had their constituents asking them to invade. Why wouldn't they? You expect politicians to defy the public with their principles, putting them ahead of their career?

The Bush administration started the war. Like most presidents, Bush was a great leader, but used that skill to lead the people to a horrible decision. Blaming anyone else is retarded.


By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 11/2/2009 7:38:27 AM , Rating: 2
The reason we thought they had WMD's was because we gave them the technology and some starter weapons when they were our allies against Iran. So naturally we thought they still had them, or some vestiges of them. They did use the gas to kill the Kurds. But they disposed of them before we could find them.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By mattclary on 10/30/2009 8:34:51 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
That person says Joe is a decent and genuine person and true patriot.


I'm sure the same could be said of Dan Quail, but they didn't cut him any slack.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Lord 666 on 10/30/2009 11:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
Unlike Dan, Joe has been in politics for 35 years before becoming VP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_biden versus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quale

Not even close in comparison career-wise.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By marvdmartian on 10/30/2009 11:55:45 AM , Rating: 3
I don't think he was comparing their careers. More likely, he was making a reference to the fact that Joe Biden is a moron incapable of speaking without jamming his foot (or feet) in his mouth, much like Dan Quayle did back in the days of Bush Senior.


RE: Hey Joe, who killd JFK?
By Ristogod on 10/30/2009 9:26:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That person says Joe is a decent and genuine person and true patriot.


His actions say otherwise. Even if he is "Genuine" and has the best of intentions, his thoughtless and careless tactics are doing more harm than good.


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