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Wii sales down 43% from 2008

The video game console wars are booming right now thanks to price cuts across the board on the three major game consoles. The introduction of the much cheaper PS3 slim was a catalyst for the price cuts in the industry.

With the PS3 Slim selling for $299, Microsoft quickly dropped the price of its Xbox 360 Elite to the same $299 price point. To make its console more attractive Nintendo also announced a price cut. The price cut brought the Wii to a price of $199. At that price, the console still fell behind the new PS3 as gamers finally started to buy the console in significant numbers.

PC World reports that Nintendo has been forced to cut its full-year sales forecasts due to slowing sales of the Wii console. Nintendo reportedly sold 5.75 million Wii's between the April and September period. That number represents a 43% decline in sales compared to the same period in 2008. Nintendo was forced to cut sales forecasts for the period running April 2009 to March 2010 to 20 million consoles from its original prediction of 26 million.

PC World reports that the significant drop in sales for the Wii can be partly attributed to the lack of any new big name games for the console. Nintendo is reporting sales of about $6 billion for the period, a 35% decline from last year. The Nintendo DS sales remained steadier than those of the Wii thanks in part to the launch of the DSi console. Despite the new launch, sales of the DSi were down 15% to 11.7 million units.

With the new breed of mobile phones like the iPhone 3G and the glut of new Android devices hitting the market with significant gaming prowess, sales of dedicated portable console has to suffer. Many see the iPod Touch in its latest iteration as one of the best mobile gaming platforms around and Apple positioning the device for mobile gaming in a direct challenge to Nintendo and Sony.

Nintendo also saw software sales for its Wii and DS consoles decline. Wii software sales dropped 6% to 76.2 million units and sales of DS titles fell 16% to 71.1 million units. Nintendo is already warning that it expects to end its fiscal year in March of 2010 with sales and profits both down from 2008. Nintendo expects overall sales of ¥1.5 trillion and net profit of ¥230 billion.

Those figures represent a decline of 18% compared to the previous year. In May, Nintendo was forecasting sales during the half year of ¥700 billion and net profit at ¥100 billion. Some reports have surfaced that claim Nintendo is looking to launch the Wii HD in early 2010. With sales of the existing console dropping significantly, a refresh of the console to address one of the Wii's biggest complaints would be no surprise. Many gamers complain about the poor quality of the Wii graphics that lack HD capability when both the PS3 and Xbox 360 support HD resolutions.



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Nintendo forever...
By bradmshannon on 10/29/2009 10:34:25 AM , Rating: 3
I would love to see Nintendo surprise everyone with the next generation console that supports all of the big things that PS3 and XBox support (Netflix, Bluray, DVDs, etc), plus a major hardware upgrade that allows more advanced graphics. But, that's just a dream :(




RE: Nintendo forever...
By TMV192 on 10/29/2009 10:43:00 AM , Rating: 2
remember Nintendo is a game company, not a multimedia company like Sony and Microsoft, that's part of the reason why Nintendo wants to stay focused making games while Sony and Microsoft are doing their best to make the Xbox and PS3 all-around entertainment powerhouses, it's probably also why consoles from Sega and Nintendo are still doing well while Xboxs and PS3s have high fail rates


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Mitch101 on 10/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: Nintendo forever...
By Norseman4 on 10/29/2009 11:20:53 AM , Rating: 3
I don't know about the PS3, but Microsoft has provided the tools for anybody to develop for the 360. (XNA Game Studio)

I don't see a need for Microsoft to target anything other than making the machine itself and the general development environment better.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/2009 12:36:26 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Microsoft and Sony should learn to target the silly and fun factor area. Both are too busy making it real when the Wii demonstrates a market for cartoon silly and fun.


There are plenty of silly & fun games on both consoles. Fat Princess, Ratchet & Clank, Little Big Planet?

The difference is the perception that the Wii has. It is not reality.

Brandon


RE: Nintendo forever...
RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/2009 3:36:51 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, thanks for illustrating my point. Note that for the PS3/360, a lot of the family friendly and "fun" titles are listed in a different genre on that site. Little Big Planet is not listed as a "family friendly" title, whereas a significant percentage of the Wii's titles are. They do a great job of perpetuating their own myth.

Also note that a lot of the silly/fun games that the PS3/360 have are released on the PSN/Live, so they wouldn't show up on that site.

But yeah, if I could rate your post up for being irrelevant like the rest of the members here, I would too.

Brandon


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Mitch101 on 10/29/2009 4:17:26 PM , Rating: 2
Ok Try this Perpetuation.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp

Nintendo Wii Titles with ESRB Rating +E Everyone
Your search returned 848 Game Ratings.

XBOX 360 Titles with ESRB Rating +E Everyone
Your search returned 342 Game Ratings.

PS3 Titles with ESRB Rating +E Everyone
Your search returned 233 Game Ratings.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Alexstarfire on 10/29/2009 6:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised the Wii even has 848 games. Though, just looking at numbers is moot. Numbers never tell the whole story. That's why we have analysts. If those 848 games score 10/10 by reviewers while the PS3 and 360 games get a 3/10 I don't think it matters if they are rated for Everyone. I know that's probably not the case since most of those games are shoveled garbage, based on movies/TV-show and lots of other crap. But hopefully you get my point.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By someguy123 on 10/29/2009 8:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
i believe the point he was trying to make was that the perception that the wii is the "silly fun" is not just a perception, it's reality. the wii has, by far, the most games in this category, regardless of the quality of these games.

not to take away from microsoft and sony's attempts to bring in this crowd to their consoles, but nintendo has market dominance.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/2009 9:34:09 PM , Rating: 2
*sigh*

No, they don't...and that's the point. You can blindly believe that if you want to. But go look at the game sales figures and you'll find that more variations of game titles are sold on opposing consoles, not the Wii.

Brandon


RE: Nintendo forever...
By someguy123 on 10/30/2009 12:10:26 AM , Rating: 3
you're not talking about variation, you're talking about "silly fun games".

hell, wii play alone has probably sold more than all of the "silly fun" games on either console combined, so your point is moot. the top three games on the wii fall into this category (wii sports, wii play, mario kart), making up 80 million games sold. looks like market dominance to me.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Alexstarfire on 10/29/2009 11:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
No, the point he was trying to make is that this isn't the only category for the Wii. Everyone seems to think that the Wii ONLY has kiddy/cartoony/silly games on it, but that's just not the way it is. It might have more, but that's like saying the PS3 and 360 only have FPS, sports, and racing games. They have the same kinds of games the Wii has, just not to the same extent.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By someguy123 on 10/30/2009 12:05:01 AM , Rating: 2
what??

the person he's talking to is clearly trying to argue that "silly fun games on the wii" is just a perception, and he's countering his argument by showing that the wii has nearly three times these types of titles.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Alexstarfire on 10/30/2009 3:41:44 AM , Rating: 2
That's how you interpreted it I suppose, but not the same way I did.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: Nintendo forever...
By feelingshorter on 10/29/2009 4:24:12 PM , Rating: 5
Your wrong. Ask anyone with a Wii and you will hear the same story i'm about to tell.

My mom works close to 80 hours a week and i never really see her have any fun. She sometimes watches TV but doesn't understand since English is her second language. But since i bought a Wii, both her and my little sister would play simple Wii games. I don't think i've ever seen my mom laugh so loud or have so much fun. She has never touched the xbox 360 that i have. Why?

Controllers and learning curve. Its stupid to waste all that time learning to "aim" when you can do it instantly with the Wii. Natal and Sony's Wand still isn't out yet and since they are late into the game, you won't see any family oriented games for a while.

Quite frankly, i enjoy playing the Wii with friends more than I do with the xbox 360, and no girl will play the xbox 360. The Wii at any given party is a huge hit, while the xbox 360 attracts only the hard core gamers.

Thats the reality and its not perception. Well worth the money to see my mom laughing so hard for once. And Wii tennis is still more fun at any given group gathering than Fat Princess, Ratchet & Clank, Little Big Planet in my experience.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: Nintendo forever...
By cmdrdredd on 10/29/2009 10:14:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, you're wrong. I know a lot of people with a Wii. Well, more to the point, they used to own the Wii as they've traded it in. Moms, Dads, brothers, sisters, all of them. And what, exactly, are you claiming is reality as opposed to perception? That the Wii is a huge hit at parties with horrible games like Wii tennis? That's awesome that you party with imbeciles, what why would you be proud of that reality? Brandon


Lol well, at my parties if we play games it's Unreal Tournament 3, Call of Duty, Halo. Usually though, we all just drink and we're lucky if we can figure out which button is for Heavy Punch in Street Fighter 4.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By eddieroolz on 10/30/2009 1:51:30 AM , Rating: 4
Fallacy of Composition detected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_compositio...

Just because it's true for you, or your family, or your friends, does not make it true for everyone that Wii is lame.

Around here, calling others wrong or naive or stupid and thinking that you're some all-correct God won't get you very far.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/2009 12:38:38 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
remember Nintendo is a game company, not a multimedia company like Sony and Microsoft, that's part of the reason why Nintendo wants to stay focused making games while Sony and Microsoft are doing their best to make the Xbox and PS3 all-around entertainment powerhouses


That's a pretty far stretch. Nintendo is focused on games? Is that why their game lineup pales in comparison to the 360 and PS3 lineups? It's not even close.

And uhh, the PS3 does not have a high fail rate. Actually, if you look at the study from a few weeks ago, the PS3 and Wii have a very similar time-played:fail rate ratio.

Brandon


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Alexstarfire on 10/29/2009 6:20:20 PM , Rating: 4
Define "pales in comparison?" I'm quite sure they have more titles. As far as number of good games.... totally subjective. I think Halo, GTA, Tekken, FF, and MGS are garbage games at this point. Granted, I never liked MGS from the start. You might feel the same way about Zelda, Mario, and some of the other games for the Wii. I don't know and I really don't care.

And if you look only at first-party games, since those are the only ones Nintendo actually controls, then the PS3 and 360 are complete failures. Nintendo has some of the highest rated games of all time.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By bplewis24 on 10/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: Nintendo forever...
By Alexstarfire on 10/29/2009 11:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
Post facts to state otherwise. I was merely guessing. Even if I'm wrong the amount of titles are likely very close. My point wasn't that they have the most anyway, it's just that "pales in comparison" is quite subjective. In terms of mature rated titles it might pale in comparison, but the ESRB rating doesn't determine the quality of a game.

Though, the likes of trolls like you would rather insult others than try to make a point or post links to actual facts.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Soodey on 10/30/2009 1:51:50 AM , Rating: 2
You can't place the blame on Nintendo for 3rd parties not putting the same effort/faith as they do with the HD consoles. Sure, the Xbox360 has a massive library of AAA quality games, but how many of them are developed by microsoft? Sony is a lot better in this regard, IMO, but still a lot of their exclusives come from 2nd party developers.

To sit her and state that Nintendo is not focused on games...I can't even take that with a straight face. Nearly every worthwhile game on the Wii has been developed by Nintendo. They make a system that is ONLY about playing games, and consistently put out both innovative experiences as well as some of the highest critically acclaimed games (Mario Galaxy anyone?) but Nintendo isn't focused on games? If you say so...


RE: Nintendo forever...
By inperfectdarkness on 10/30/2009 8:05:58 AM , Rating: 2
i'll add that i'm not entirely sure that virtua console & wii-ware titles are calculated into these profit charts. that's essentially a pure-profit cash-cow for nintendo.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By Hiawa23 on 10/29/2009 11:57:40 AM , Rating: 2
so their profits are down abit but they are still making a nice profit. Honestly, I care less about who is in 1st 2nd 3rd or how much these guys(Sony, MS, Nintendo) make than I do who makes the games services I like, & so far Sony & MS is it for my tastes. I own every Nintendo console since the Nes, & have enjoyed their games until this gen.

You can't help but to be impressed with what Nintendo has accomplished with the Wii. I bought my daughter one & she loves it. Seems like Nintendo should be happy cause they have continued to do well, despite a bad global recession, not really many AAA games to be released, & their profits may be even lower since now they cut the price of the Wii.

Seems like the only games that get released are mostly party games, or family stuff which is fine if you are into that, & I think the Wii has outsold the 360& PS3 combined, but again, I don't rank consoles based on the profit or who sells the most, just on the games & servies they provide.

All in all, Nintendo will be fine, & I am sure a Wii2 will be out probably 2010 or 11 or a Wii HD or something. Nintendo should try to get, or I should say Netflix should try to partner with Nintendo to bring their service to the Wii, as that would be a win win for both.


RE: Nintendo forever...
By gamerk2 on 10/29/2009 2:39:08 PM , Rating: 2
The problem being that the wii lacks any third party support. Until Nintendo figures out how to fix that very significant problem, even a new Wii won't accomplish anything.

No matter how good the console, in the end, games sell.


I know the reason.
By Spivonious on 10/29/2009 10:40:20 AM , Rating: 5
Sales are down 43% because everyone has a Wii. It's as simple as that.

Wikipedia says 26 million Wiis have sold in the US. US population is supposed to be around 300 million, so that's almost 10%. If the average "household" is 4 people, that's almost 35%. After three years, I think everyone who wants one, has one.




RE: I know the reason.
By EJ257 on 10/29/2009 10:57:16 AM , Rating: 5
DING! DING! DING! Market saturation has been reached. If they want more sales & profits to continue to climb, roll out the next generation Wii.


RE: I know the reason.
By Bateluer on 10/29/2009 11:20:28 AM , Rating: 4
Or get some worthwhile games to generate licensing revenue. Most of the games for the Wii are children's garbage.


RE: I know the reason.
By ebakke on 10/29/2009 11:44:00 AM , Rating: 5
Oh c'mon. Headbutting soccer balls (and dodging those goddamn panda heads) is addicting as hell.


RE: I know the reason.
By Bender 123 on 10/29/2009 1:26:27 PM , Rating: 4
It is sad that is (and I mean that...) the thought. Wii has had some great games, but the view of it as a kids machine has burned some great adult titles.

Dead Space
Metroid Trilogy
No More Heroes
Tiger Woods
etc...

I hate to see what the popular thought has done to it...last years Madden for Wii was awesome, but the move to family killed the game this year.


RE: I know the reason.
By Omega215D on 10/29/2009 11:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't Resident Evil coming to the Wii?


RE: I know the reason.
By Motoman on 10/29/2009 11:41:34 AM , Rating: 3
I feel like that may be a pretty accurate assessment. Wii sales have been immense up to this point...especially when you look at it from a % of population standpoint.

I know your numbers aren't exactly scientific, but seriously...basically 1/3 of the households in America with a Wii already? Holy crap. They've got to be right at the edge of market saturation.


RE: I know the reason.
By gamerk2 on 10/29/2009 2:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
True, but at some point, some non-Nintendo games need to be GOOD.

Seriously, outside of Tiger Woods and SMG, is there any Wii game thats a "must have?"


RE: I know the reason.
By Flail on 10/29/2009 2:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Super Smash Bros Brawl. Playing with the wiimote sucks ass though. Gamecube controllers are required if you don't want to get owned.


RE: I know the reason.
By Motoman on 10/29/2009 3:27:37 PM , Rating: 3
Define "must have." In a way that applies to everybody. Then define "GOOD." In a way that applies to everybody.


RE: I know the reason.
By 9nails on 10/29/2009 3:48:36 PM , Rating: 2
For me at least, "must have" is a game that gets 9 out of 10 from multiple professional reviewers, and the game's play-style fits your lifestyle.

And "good" games are ones which score 7 - 8 out of 10 from multiple professional reviews, also the game's play-style fits your lifestyle.

I've bought some games in the 4 - 6 out of 10 scores before, but only on special circumstances. This is the gray area where a game might still be good, but have limited appeal.


RE: I know the reason.
By Motoman on 10/29/2009 5:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
For me, a must-have game is one I like. Which also makes it a good game.

I don't give a rat's ass what any reviewer thinks of it.


RE: I know the reason.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/29/2009 5:57:11 PM , Rating: 4
Anyone who is saying the Wii is for children must have a sad social life.

Call over some ladies and dudes, make sure the house is stocked with alcohol, and then tell me the Wii is for kids :D


Wii Effect
By Mitch101 on 10/29/2009 10:59:17 AM , Rating: 2
I would say everyone I know who planned to get a Wii got it last year. They should have brought the refresh in time for X-mas this year but oh well Im glad they are still in the game. Im not sure Nintendo will ever go for hardcore they certainly do well being the Disney of console systems.




RE: Wii Effect
By Motoman on 10/29/2009 11:43:02 AM , Rating: 3
I think Nintendo may be done with the traditional gamer market. And I can't say I blame them.

Obviously I don't have the slightest clue what Nintendo may or may not be up to, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they never showed any interest in the traditional gamer market again. Let MS and Sony fight over that market.


RE: Wii Effect
By Akrovah on 10/29/2009 12:04:42 PM , Rating: 3
I am so sick of this "Nintendo is ignoring the hardcore gamer" BS. Is is just because the games have color? Myself I'm getting kind of sick of the Halo clones and grey corridor shooters that are saturating the market. If it's not one of those it's a WWII shooter or somehting that feels like a WWII shooter in another time frame. They are all the same thing over and over again, even more so than Zelda, and that's saying something. At least Zelda is repetative in the same franchise.

True hardcore gamers play Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. Those 3 franchises, along with Sonic, were the hardcore franchises when console gaming as we know it started back in the 8/16-bit eras, and they (except for Sonic) have all received outstanding entries in the current console generation. I mean what, they aren;t "hardcore" because they have color? Give me a break.


RE: Wii Effect
By Motoman on 10/29/2009 12:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
...they're not hardcore because they're not the exact same FPS game as all the Halo, GTA, so on and so forth that's out there. All you folks that love to sit and play FPSs all day long, knock yourselves out. Nintendo has proven that there are more people who want to play video games that DON'T want to play Halo etc. than do.


RE: Wii Effect
By Hiawa23 on 10/29/2009 12:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
...they're not hardcore because they're not the exact same FPS game as all the Halo, GTA, so on and so forth that's out there. All you folks that love to sit and play FPSs all day long, knock yourselves out. Nintendo has proven that there are more people who want to play video games that DON'T want to play Halo etc. than do.

I wouldn't say I am hardcore as I stay away from labeling, but the things I love about the 360 & PS3 are their online play, & for you guys to say that all some gamers want to play are Halo clones is kind of pushing it.

The genres I like are online multiplayer, racers, shooters, racers, platforming, sports, action games, so I don't think many of us just want to play Halo clones, & to be honest with you can simplify the Wii games as easily as you just did. If you throw in what the 360 & PS3 offers via their Live arcade & online downloadable games, to me they offer a nice lineup for multiple gaming interests not just hardcore.

I am not one to bash Nintendo as I have been a fan since I was a kid, & like I said I own all of their consoles, but the Wii is very lacking to me based on my interests, but I respect what Nintendo has done with it, & come on, let's be honest, there are more casuals out there than hardcore for any group so wouldn't more gamers have bought the Wii than the HD consoles? Are you even trying to make this comparison? Come on.


RE: Wii Effect
By Iaiken on 10/29/2009 1:41:40 PM , Rating: 1
Newsflash! You're not a kid anymore...

Sony and MS have largely ignored the lower end of the youth market and the vast majority of their "blockbuster" games are rated teen or higher. This alone opened the door for Nintendo to swoop in and sweep up the 13&under demographic as well as those adults who don't have time to sit down and play games for an hour or more at a time.

A lot of the best Wii games allow you to sit down (or stand up) and achieve something in your game with only 15-30 minutes playtime. Moreover, any idiot can play and this has helped draw in a massive number of consumers. My console has factored directly into no fewer than 22 other console purchases as people tried it at my place and liked it enough to buy it for themselves or their kids, or their parents... Hell, even MY parents have since purchased a Wii and they play it more than I do. My dad is a Punch Out master...

Bitch about the Wii all you like, that just means that you are not part of the massive demographic that put an average of ~$75 profit into Nintendo's pocket for every console sold. That is around $4.2 Billion dollars in reported profit just from the console itself. Conversely, the smaller number of 360's have incurred a loss lead of approximately 5.9 billion (not including massive losses attributed to warranty services). That is a massive hole to have dig yourself out of using only game and peripheral revenues.

Come on!


RE: Wii Effect
By Mitch101 on 10/29/2009 12:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think the term Hardcore is used more in reference to as realistic as possible more than Hardcore being games/franchises that survive over time and evolve if needed. They may not be as true to life but they are certainly great challenging games.

Certainly have respect for your point of view.


RE: Wii Effect
By drebo on 10/29/2009 1:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
Realistic as possible? And just how are alien invasions realistic? Or Rambo-style guys bringing an entire country down on their own?

FPS games are no more realistic than Super Mario Galaxy. And if you're going from a stylistic point of view, you couldn't be further from the truth. Look at games like Megaman. They're incredibly challenging and fun, and completely cartoony. Metroid is the same way.

Just because the game isn't gritty and grimy and involve impossible scenarios (one guy capable of killing an entire evil organization? realistic? bullshit) does not mean that the game can't be challenging.


RE: Wii Effect
By Hiawa23 on 10/29/2009 1:53:40 PM , Rating: 1
Just because the game isn't gritty and grimy and involve impossible scenarios (one guy capable of killing an entire evil organization? realistic? bullshit) does not mean that the game can't be challenging.

You seem angry. what does it matter what anyone think , as that really doesn't affect your prefernce or your gaming at all?

I don't think anyone is even remotely trying to say that games have to have realistic graphics to be challenging.

I still play my Super Nes, Turbograph 16, Neo Geo consoles & many of those games are more challenging than what we have today, so no one is saying the Wii games are not challenging, atleast I am not.

All I am saying is the games, the technology behind the Wii, the motion controls I don't like, but I enjoy messing around with it when my daughter wants me to play with her & her friends, & I respect what Nintendo has accomplished this gen, especially given I have always been a Nintendo fan, just not much of anything appeals to me......................except one game, I love the new punchout game as this to me is the only Nintendo franchise on the Wii that I liked on the earlier Nintendo consoles that you are not forced to use motion controls, but it's all about fun & isn't that what games used to be or are supposed to be about?

Nintedno is fine in my book, my tastes just have changed alittle.


RE: Wii Effect
By Iaiken on 10/29/2009 1:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
If I wanted to play an ultra realistic FPS, I'd have joined the army... :P

Great Graphics & Realistic Physics are no substitute do not factor into fun, they are just window dressings...

Personally, my favorite games of all time (based purely on the subjective notion of how much fun I had playing them):

Legend of Zelda: Link To The Past (SNES)
Super Metroid (SNES)
Super Mario World (SNES)
Super Mario 64 (N64)
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (Wii)
Earth Bound (SNES)
Half-Life (PC)
Metal Gear: Solid (PS1)
Tetris (NES)
COD4: Modern Warfare (PC)

I still play lots of new games, but the fact that I still play some of the above even after 20 years says a lot about the purity of the game and the fun you can have playing it.


RE: Wii Effect
By Screwballl on 10/29/2009 2:11:39 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I am so sick of this "Nintendo is ignoring the hardcore gamer" BS. Is is just because the games have color?


Agreed, as a parent in my 30s that grew up with the C64, Atari, Colecovision, NES and so on down the line, I love seeing Nintendo get back down to basics: FUN.
Who cares if it is a cartoon mushroom headbutting a marshmallow soccer ball to kill angry potted plants, the games are fun, intuitive, and able to be played by all ages. They still have the adult games like NFS, Tiger Woods and so on...

The main problem comes in with the generation below me that was raised on N64, PS1 and XBOX "realism" and thinks anything cartoony cant be fun, seriously has a screw loose. Yes you may prefer Solid Snake sneaking around a corner and snapping a neck in full 1080i HD, but do not discount the Wii as a kids game/console simply because some of the games are cartoony and you never sat down for more than half an hour to play anything but Wii Sports bowling. I know more "hardcore" gamers that play the Wii on a regular basis than the 360 and PS3 combined.
360/PS3 fanbois are like Apple fanbois, their shit is better than other peoples shit.


RE: Wii Effect
By Hiawa23 on 10/29/2009 2:56:35 PM , Rating: 3
Yes you may prefer Solid Snake sneaking around a corner and snapping a neck in full 1080i HD, but do not discount the Wii as a kids game/console simply because some of the games are cartoony and you never sat down for more than half an hour to play anything but Wii Sports bowling. I know more "hardcore" gamers that play the Wii on a regular basis than the 360 and PS3 combined.
360/PS3 fanbois are like Apple fanbois, their shit is better than other peoples shit.


I am 35, so I fall in your group I think, but I have tried all the Wii games, many of them I bought for my daughter, but It just doesn't appeal to me, other than Punchout. I am not a fanboy of any of the consoles & althoguh I am sure some gamers may be like the Apple fans, however to paint with a broad brush might be going too far as many of us love our gaming, & may prefer the 360 PS3 to the Wii or one console to another & I don't think that makes us like the Apple fans. I think you can just prefer one console to the others just based on the gaming experience it provides to you, not based on whose name is on it. I am not disagreeing with you as you bring up some valid points, I think alot of us just don't fall into that category.

I think we have gotten away from the point of this topic, & the point is Nintendo's profits are down cause the console has reached market sauration, maybe alittle to do with the economy, & lack of in my view big name games recently. How do they change this, I don't know, but the holidays are coming, & they dropped the price, so if the PS3 can continue to sell well, respective to the many years it has sat on top of the mountain I expect many more good years out of the Wii. I think we all can agree on that.


Who in their right mind?
By Jansen (blog) on 10/29/2009 11:52:55 AM , Rating: 3
"Many see the iPod Touch in its latest iteration as one of the best mobile gaming platforms around"




RE: Who in their right mind?
By EasyC on 10/29/2009 12:02:35 PM , Rating: 3
Rememver, many people are also dumb lol.


RE: Who in their right mind?
By Laereom on 10/29/2009 12:01:02 PM , Rating: 4
Only the apple Lunatic fringe. It's a growing fringe, however, and some of them might have purchased a DS if Apple hadn't given them something else tangentally related..

full disclosure: I have no idea what I'm talking about.


RE: Who in their right mind?
By TerranMagistrate on 10/29/2009 12:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
The article needed some humor. After all, the iPod Touch as a competent portable gaming device is a complete joke.


RE: Who in their right mind?
By Chaser on 10/29/2009 12:48:15 PM , Rating: 2
How many games are available for the touch/iPhone? How many more are under development?

I think Guitar Hero just came out.

It's portable and the demand for games is unprecedented.

But both devices suck.


Inaccurate headline
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 10/29/2009 11:10:38 AM , Rating: 2
Sales may be plummeting, but that does not mean profits are plummeting. Net Profit is a per unit calculation, so to say they are plummeting means that either the materials and labor cost more and therefore there is no longer a large margin on each unit, or top selling price has fallen on inventory units, so Nintendo can't recoup costs.

I think they are still making the same profit on each unit, they are just selling fewer units. That is not the same as smaller profit margins per unit.




RE: Inaccurate headline
By bighairycamel on 10/29/2009 11:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
Don't attempt to correct the writer or assume you know what Nintendo's profit margins are like without doing your fact checking first...
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/afp/20091029/tc_afp/jap...


RE: Inaccurate headline
By Laereom on 10/29/2009 11:45:36 AM , Rating: 2
Net profit is not a per-unit measure. Profit margins are per unit. Net profit the result of taking the profit per unit times all units sold and subtracting all overhead costs - management, taxes, debt, whatever. Y'know what? That's an important number, and it's down in a big way.


RE: Inaccurate headline
By DaveSylvia on 10/29/2009 12:55:15 PM , Rating: 3
Nintendo's profits might be "down in a big way" but they still expect to make a net profit of ~$2 billion dollars (230 billion yen). They are not hurting one bit. The wording of this article's title gives off the impression that they are.


Saturated market
By tviceman on 10/29/2009 10:34:58 AM , Rating: 2
The Wii is still much more successful than anyone ever thought it would have been when first launch. Lower competitor prices and a lack of big name titles are attributing to it's slow down, but I think there are two other factors taking place here.

The casual console gaming market has likely begun stagnate for this current time frame, and I think there are plenty of people who bought the Wii and, besides Wii Sports, were dissapointed with it, and have conveyed that experience to others.




RE: Saturated market
By scrapsma54 on 10/29/2009 11:01:14 AM , Rating: 2
as far as long term I don't see Wii really out pacing the PS3, Sony has stuck with their sales plans, and I guess the revenue they generated fairly quickly on the outdated ps2 helped the manufacturing of the Ps3 stay afloat. So far it has worked very well for the High end tech company.


$200 is too much, maybe?
By SiliconJon on 10/29/2009 12:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
The Wii has a very intense market share, perhaps approaching something not too far off from near-market saturation. But I think they just need to throw in a Mario Title for XMAS Wii bundles (and don't ditch the sports, peoples loves that title). Throw in an extra controller set, too, and I'll bet a nickel that the Wii outdoes the other consoles this Christmas, but that won't happen if that sqeezes out their profit on the bundle's sale.

Frankly, for $100 more to get a HD system with so much more capability has put a bright spotlight on the more "gimmick" quality of the Wii, at least that's how we fealt about the system, though it's not without its qualities.




RE: $200 is too much, maybe?
By Tom mc3s on 10/30/2009 4:55:29 AM , Rating: 2
Just from my perspective I think you may be on to something.

Personally I'm still waiting for Nintendo to roll out a "Greatest Hits" or "Players Choice" selection of some of the more quality software titles. When I still see Twilight Princess on the shelf for the same price it was 3 years ago I have to think it may be time to reduce it to a more appealing price.

I suppose if Nintendo is moving these titles at a mass quantity then there isn't a compelling reason to drop the price yet. I, however, would certainly pick up some of the older gems if they ever reached the $20 price point. With the Wii seemingly reaching a market saturation even at a reduced price I have to assume there's plenty of money to be made from software sales. Short of some great titles they have hidden that will be revealed for the holiday season (not likely) I think Nintendo should offer up some older titles at a competitive price to boost their attach rates and maybe move some more consoles.


Wii is great but it does lack....
By captainBOB on 10/29/09, Rating: 0
By dguy6789 on 10/29/2009 3:39:58 PM , Rating: 3
Fad toys only last so long
By Chaser on 10/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: Fad toys only last so long
By SiliconJon on 10/29/2009 12:39:25 PM , Rating: 2
I agree it's a fad or gimmick like system. Even with some great titles, it lost its charm quickly for my household. And I'm not alone - my coworkers have either shelved or sold their Wii's after moving to a 360 or PS3.


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