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Brandon Hill (Blog) - October 22, 2009 8:41 PM

63 comment(s) - last by otispunkmeyer.. on Oct 27 at 8:41 AM

Honda has already axed the S2000.

The tiny CR-Z will carry the "sports" torch for Honda and will be priced from $19k to $25k.

Crosstown rival Toyota goes the conventional route with a RWD sports car which was co-developed with Subaru -- it will be in the same price range as the CR-Z. The production version of the FT-86 is expected to be shown next year.

While Honda has killed plans for its V-10 powered NSX replacement, Toyota just pulled the wraps off its ultra-exclusive Lexus LFA.

Honda is really taking "going green" seriously

The company that brought us small, nimble, sporty, FWD vehicles like the CRX, Prelude, Integra, and RSX is slowly giving in to the green movement. While Honda was content in stepping things up to the next level with the expensive, mid-engined, RWD NSX during the early 90s and the lightweight S2000 roadster later in the decade, those days are coming to an end (the NSX is long gone and the S2000 was recently given the axe).

Honda is now turning almost completely away from performance vehicles and instead intends to “green” its lineup. Going forward, the “sport” end of the spectrum for Honda will be relegated to the Civic Si and the upcoming CR-Z hybrid. The CR-Z uses the hybrid powertrain from the Civic Hybrid/Insight and pairs it with a 6-speed manual transmission. The 161-inch vehicle is expected to be priced from $19,000 to $25,000.

While Toyota plans to wow gear heads with money to spend with the $375,000 V-10 powered limited production (500 units worldwide total) Lexus LFA super car and the much cheaper, RWD FT-86 sports car; Honda has cancelled the V-10-powered replacement for the NSX. According to Temple of VTEC, Honda has no plans to introduce another sports car to the market unless it can incorporate hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or hydrogen technology.

Honda CEO Takanobu Ito told Temple of VTEC, “Once we come up with these new, innovative technologies that we are researching - once we have (an) abundance of cash on hand - I would definitely love to see Honda develop a sports car which would symbolize these technologies. And, once that day comes, the sportscar will NOT be something like Toyota announced yesterday, but instead it will be environmentally friendly (while) at the same time enjoying outstanding performance. I'd love to do that."

In other news, Honda has also cancelled plans to bring a diesel engine to the U.S for its Accord sedan due to cost issues. The Accord was to have an optional 2.2-liter i-CTDi 4-cylinder Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel engine which produces 150 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque. The diesel engine would have also given the Accord an overall fuel economy rating of about 40 mpg. Also cancelled are plans for a larger 3.5-liter V6 diesel engine which was destined to go into Honda's large vehicles which include the Odyssey, Pilot, and Ridgeline. The diesel engine was supposed to give these vehicles a 30 increase in fuel economy.

While Honda has made an effort to embrace all-electric vehicles with the recently showcased EV-N concept, Honda's CEO continues to state that hydrogen is the future for consumer vehicles.

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RE: Disappointed by the Cancelled Diesels

By Hoser McMoose on 10/23/2009 1:17:14 AM , Rating: 3

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I am confused that Honda thinks Diesel != Green given the fuel economy performance of today's common rail designs.

They use less fuel but, generally speaking, produce more air pollution than gasoline engines.

Granted today's diesels are much better than those of just 3 or 4 years ago, but the 'green' aspect of diesels has always been very questionable. If your concern is CO2 emissions than diesels are better, if your concern is air pollution than diesels are worse.

Case in point, the Audi A3 2.0L diesel manages a fairly impressive Tier 2 Bin 5 rating (minimum rating to be legal for sale in California). However the A3 2.0L gas engine manages a much more stringent Tier 2 Bin 3 rating, basically HALF as much air pollution. The diesel though is rated for 18.4kg of CO2 per 100km (6.9L/100km) while the gasoline A3 is rated for 22.7kg of CO2 per 100km (9.8L/100km).

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RE: Disappointed by the Cancelled Diesels

By Yawgm0th on 10/23/2009 11:01:16 AM , Rating: 2

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They use less fuel but, generally speaking, produce more air pollution than gasoline engines.

Granted today's diesels are much better than those of just 3 or 4 years ago, but the 'green' aspect of diesels has always been very questionable. If your concern is CO2 emissions than diesels are better, if your concern is air pollution than diesels are worse.

QFT
I don't know why people are so up in arms about the unsure effect of CO2 emissions on global warming when we know exactly what the pollutants in car exhaust do now. If smog kills us before the polar ice caps melt, what's the point of carbon reduction?

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RE: Disappointed by the Cancelled Diesels

By AmazighQ on 10/23/2009 11:49:35 AM , Rating: 4

the problem aint using diesel or no diesel
the problem is building 3 ton(metric) cars to transport a singel person and sticking an 'ancient' 5 liter engine in it

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