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A major flaw in Snow Leopard is eating up some users' data. The flaw pounces on unsuspecting users when they try to login to a guest account.  (Source: EHow.com)
Apple experiences another hiccup with its new operating system

Apple has always tried to promote an image of high quality products and boasts a slogan "It just works" -- in reality, the company has its fair share of quality control issues.  The release of the Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6) operating system was supposed to be a momentous occasion for Apple, but was marred when it shipped with an obsolete and exploit-vulnerable version of Flash and forced the downgrade on users installing the new OS.

Now a perhaps even more critical flaw has been found in Snow Leopard.  Reportedly, Snow Leopard users have been making the unpleasant discovery that logging into a guest account and then logging out can delete user information on all accounts.  Apple computers store user info such as pictures, documents, and downloads in a common location, much like Windows "My Documents".

Describes user "parshallnet" to Apple, "When I logged into my MacBook Pro this morning, it was as if I had logged into my Guest Account and not my standard user profile.  No icons on the desktop, the desktop wallpaper was the default 'space' photo and not the one I had assigned, no documents in the docs folder, apps behaved as if I'd never opened them before.”

With 5 threads prominently displayed on Apple's Support Forums (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), its clear that the problem is being experienced my more than a few users, though its unclear exactly how widespread it is.  Compounding the confusion is that it does not appear to be readily reproducible, perhaps indicating a deep flaw lurking inside the belly of Snow Leopard.

For now the only real solution for Mac owners is to disable guest accounts.  Otherwise they potentially having all their user information wiped clean by innocent mistake or perhaps cruel prank.

Apple representatives acknowledged the issue to CNET, commenting, "We are aware of the issue, which occurs only in extremely rare cases, and we are working on a fix."

That fix may come in the form of OS X 10.6.2, Apple's latest service pack that's currently in beta and available to developers.  The service pack comes with nearly 150 "general focus areas" -- various fixes and tweaks.  With the last update, 10.6.1, Apple fixed the aforementioned flawed Flash.

Despite its flaws, Snow Leopard has posted strong sales and has drawn largely rave reviews by Apple's traditionally vocal fan base.



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First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 12:54:21 PM , Rating: 2
...cleary DT is making this up because they hate Apple. Says right here in the Book of Jobs that "yea, and it was told that the Apple was immaculate and pure, and unfailing in it's perfectness, such that neither bug nor worm could touch it. Amen."

So DT, please stop your campaign of lies against Apple. Everyone can see right through you.

Also...please stop feeding the troll.




RE: First of all...
By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 1:29:49 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure how long you have been around DT but Jason Mick used to be an Apple fanatic/Windows Vista hater. He used to swing on Apple's balls while kicking dirt over Windows Vista.

It just took him a while to see the light and see how much of a joke that Apple's Mac OS X really was.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 2:48:06 PM , Rating: 1
WTF are you talking about? You are the biggest Apple hater of them all.

And if you say otherwise, I'm going to quote every stupid time you said OSX is insecure and is a time bomb waiting to happen due to its increasing marketshare.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 3:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
...seriously dude? You expect the entire internet to believe you missed the sarcasm that was slathered six inches deep all over that post?

Here's your sign.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 3:25:15 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...seriously dude? You expect the entire internet to believe you missed the sarcasm that was slathered six inches deep all over that post?


You are not good at it.

quote:
Here's your sign.


No, here's yours, Wii Lover.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 4:15:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are not good at it.


Hmmm...anybody else on the internet not get that the OP was dripping in sarcasm? Anybody/

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No, here's yours, Wii Lover.


...what? The fact that I enjoy playing my Wii is something you're going to apply as a derogatory label? Do you have any desire at all for people to take you seriously?


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 4:25:35 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't really get it. His post could have gone either way.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 4:44:56 PM , Rating: 2
"Hi, my name is Motoman. I love my Wii console. Sure, it doesn't have any next generation graphics, nor does it have high definition output, nor does it have any video on demand store, but, it has this awesome innovative user-interface with this controller that makes it so fun! It also is this pretty clean white color with blue LEDs! So easy to use in fact, my grandma and others that have never touched a console before in their lives are playing on it! I guess that is why it is the best selling console! Yeah, sure, it can't play flash full screen, or worth watching really, and I can't install any of my own apps without jailbreaking it, or watch DVDs or Blu-Ray on it, but I love Nintendo anyhow.

But I HATE Apple! With a passion! I can't stand the fact that 120 million idiots bought their music player, and darn, 30 million more bought that stupid iphone! Even my grandma says its the first easy to use phone she has ever had! It doesn't have any current smartphone features, nor can I install any apps on it that I want. All it plays is this stupid aac Apple audio format. Why, why does it sell???!!!
So what if it has an easy to use interface with easy to install itunes! Those people are stupid for buying a phone that is a polished turd without Flash or BT file sharing or MMS!"


RE: First of all...
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 5:03:11 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, nice jab at Motoman, especially the part about stupid iPhone that doesn't have BT sharing LOLOLOL :))))))))
Soo motomanish indeed :))


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 6:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
...the most obvious sign that sprockkets is an idiot? Pirks agrees with him.


RE: First of all...
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 7:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
Judging by http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16478... Alexstarfire is an idiot too.

Alexstarfire in the left corner, Motoman in the right.

NERD FIGHT!!! :))))


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 7:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
lol. I shall be victorious.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 10:35:42 PM , Rating: 2
...I honestly don't recall if I've had a significant disagreement with Alexstarfire before - but in the post you linked I don't really see anything to disagree with.

If it's OK with Alex, I'd be more inclined to give him a beer than a punch.


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 11:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
Can we do both? Beer first so the punches don't hurt later. :P

I don't disagree with your either, but this is apparently just a fight between idiots. Never said we had to be disagreeing idiots.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/14/2009 12:42:41 AM , Rating: 2
...well, what are we going to fight about if we don't disagree on something?


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2009 1:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
To see who's paying for the beers of course. *rolls eyes*


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 5:11:09 PM , Rating: 2
Let's see, you're comparing a game console that plays games really well vs cell phones which all function as a phone very well. If you're going to tell me that the iPhone functions as a phone better than any other cell phone then I shall just laugh in your face. I actually find the iPhone a bit harder to use as a phone but only because it's touchscreen with no physical buttons meaning I actually have to look at the phone to make sure I'm doing the proper action instead of just guessing. Is it worth saying it functions as a phone worse than other cell phones? No, it's really not. The fact that a phone you are paying for has lacked some basic features, like video and MMS, until this latest refresh is pretty sad. I would also like to point out that Apple prohibiting apps based on it's sole discretion is not the same as Nintendo just not allowing any "apps" other than it's own. Might as well complain that you can't add characters onto an arcade machine. It was never allowed to begin with.

Also, it's not like most people have HDTVs so not having HD output isn't a problem, which also ties in why it does have HD graphics. Video-on-demand, aka crappy Netflix or even iTunes alternative, is moot if you have a PC. Though I can say watching it on a TV would be better, but since even a TV isn't going to be like a theater experience I'm sure it doesn't bother most people. Can't play flash? Who cares, use the PC they already own. I can say IDK what you mean by the apps. I use my gaming console to play games, not for any other features it has. I've used the internet on it before, but only when my computer was being used for a greater purpose, like work or school. Very rare and even if my Wii didn't offer using the internet it really wouldn't be a big deal. Internet isn't life. And before you say anything I'm specifically talking about Internet browser usage, not the whole internet including multiplayer capabilities.

If you happen to have a HDTV with a nice surround sound system then the Wii probably isn't the best fit. No sense it letting the cool tech you own go to waste after all. But if you don't have an HDTV then getting anything other than a Wii seems to make little sense unless you don't like the games on it. Which is perfectly all right.

In the end you are pretty much comparing apples to oranges. But for some reason people keep thinking that you can always compare something 100% to something else. They may be similar but not directly comparable. An analogy is only meant to compare two things on a superficial level. You're not likely to find two very different things that are 100% comparable.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 5:54:50 PM , Rating: 2
In case you didn't get it, it's call hypocrisy. Motoman doesn't care that his wii is locked down with DRM and sells solely on its controller yet hates Apple for exactly the same reasons he loves the Wii. He doesn't complain that he can't install FireFox on the Wii and is locked to a crappy copy of Opera, which took them over a year to update the Flash applet inside.

For that matter, the entire Wii menu screams OSX.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 6:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
No, you don't get it. I don't think you get anything.

The OP was so obviously, blatantly, over-the-topishly sarcastic that if you somehow missed that, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.

Making fun or the Wii is a total non-sequitor. And not a single one of your "arguements" about how the Wii is worse/better than an iPhone is anything other than retarded.

You're an anti-Wii fanboi - we get that. There is no basis in reality for you to be anti-Wii, because it most certainly is obviously not intended for fanbois like you to buy, use, or like.

Taking shots at Apple's insistence that their crap is "more secure" or "unhackable" or "unvirusable" or whatever is an activity totally based in reality, with obvious empirical evidence that can be shown to support it.

You not liking the Wii is an opinion. Pointing out the pompous fallacy of Apple's "more secure" platform is pure fact.

You are a colossal failure. Now go crawl back into your momma's basement and don't come back out until you grow a brain.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 10:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The OP was so obviously, blatantly, over-the-topishly sarcastic that if you somehow missed that, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.


Really? So you were sarcastically saying not to feed the trolls?

quote:
Making fun or the Wii is a total non-sequitor.


No, I'm not making fun or (sic) the Wii, I'm making fun or (sic) YOU

quote:
You're an anti-Wii fanboi - we get that. There is no basis in reality for you to be anti-Wii, because it most certainly is obviously not intended for fanbois like you to buy, use, or like.


The anti-apple fanboi against the anti-Wii boy! Oh, wait, I own a Wii and all I ever play on it is Twilight Princess and Wii Sports/Wii Resort with friends.

quote:
Taking shots at Apple's insistence that their crap is "more secure" or "unhackable" or "unvirusable" or whatever is an activity totally based in reality, with obvious empirical evidence that can be shown to support it.


Good. Please show us an infection on the level of Blaster or Conflicker, Mr. Empirical Evidence.

quote:
You not liking the Wii is an opinion. Pointing out the pompous fallacy of Apple's "more secure" platform is pure fact.


Except in the nine years (11 counting beta, 17 counting NeXTSTEP) of OSX's existence, nobody has managed to cause any infections like they did with Win9x or XP. And losers like you keep repeating like parrots those doomsday pundits that OSX will be pwned soon. They've said that since 2003.

quote:
You are a colossal failure. Now go crawl back into your momma's basement and don't come back out until you grow a brain.


Wait, isn't this where you are supposed to say, "Here's your sign" ?

I feel sorry for you, I really do. Where would Microsoft be without Apple, DEC, Novell, Spyglass, IBM, and many others to copy then promptly screw over?


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/13/2009 10:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Really? So you were sarcastically saying not to feed the trolls?


Somehow, I doubt even you are stupid enough to believe that.

quote:
No, I'm not making fun or (sic) the Wii, I'm making fun or (sic) YOU


I noticed. I'm sure your former English teachers would be please that you managed to find a typo...I'm also sure they'd be mildly disappointed that you think it's a basis for making fun of someone. I can, however, categorically guarantee that anyone with a basic grasp of the English language will be aware of the immutable fact that the first paragraph of the OP was perhaps the most sarcasm-laden paragraph in the history of written language - and be woefully disappointed in your failure to recognize it as such. Say whatever the hell else you want about me, the Wii, wearing white after Labor Day - doesn't matter. You've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you lack basic language cognition skills.

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The anti-apple fanboi against the anti-Wii boy! Oh, wait, I own a Wii and all I ever play on it is Twilight Princess and Wii Sports/Wii Resort with friends.


...ok.

quote:
Good. Please show us an infection on the level of Blaster or Conflicker, Mr. Empirical Evidence.


Why? At what point did I make an inference whatsoever that Windows wasn't a virus-magnet? The empirical evidence against Apple's moronic claims of superiority are littered all over DT. And the rest of the internet. And right here, in this article - which apparently you lack the proper brain functions to read properly.

quote:
Except in the nine years (11 counting beta, 17 counting NeXTSTEP) of OSX's existence, nobody has managed to cause any infections like they did with Win9x or XP. And losers like you keep repeating like parrots those doomsday pundits that OSX will be pwned soon. They've said that since 2003.


This tired "argument" again? The same argument that has gotten you "pwned" every time you and your fellow Macolytes have ever brought it up? Go and read every other Mac "security" article ever written on DT again.

quote:
Wait, isn't this where you are supposed to say, "Here's your sign" ?


You are correct - how insensitive of me. Here's your sign. Now you and Pirks have matching signs...or a stack of them. I'm not keeping count.

quote:
I feel sorry for you, I really do. Where would Microsoft be without Apple, DEC, Novell, Spyglass, IBM, and many others to copy then promptly screw over?


Don't forget Xerox and Amiga. And Unix. And Mosaic. And...whatever else. I dislike Microsoft only slightly less than Apple - however, I choose to use Windows because it's the only rational choice - granted that I want to have easy access to 99%+ of all software ever written, reasonably priced hardware, and I like playing PC games.

I use Windows because there's no reasonable alternative. You want to use a Mac, go right ahead - that's kind of another little sign for the rest of us, if we happen to be unlucky enough to meet you in the real world. Which seems rather unlikely, since it doesn't seem you live in the real world anyway...


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/14/2009 12:17:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Somehow, I doubt even you are stupid enough to believe that.


Like I said, you weren't clear about it. Perhaps, you should have said "Seriously" after the second paragraph. :)

quote:
You've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you lack basic language cognition skills.


It seems more like you hate the fact that I pointed out your error that you didn't see.

quote:
The empirical evidence against Apple's moronic claims of superiority are littered all over DT. And the rest of the internet. And right here, in this article - which apparently you lack the proper brain functions to read properly.


The problem is, those were blog posts by Jason Mick, who makes those articles for page hits, not for journalism. Oh, and btw, how's that Windows Home Server doing? You know, the one whose main purpose was to back up, that's right, data?

You know, Vista sucked, and as I already posted, Microsoft even admitted it. The part that gets me, is that they spent the past 6 years making it, and 8 BILLION dollars to develop it, with nothing to show for it. Three years later they copy the OSX dock and fix the "snappy" issue.

Adding insult to injury is how small Apple is as a company, who makes so much less in the way of profit who can out innovate Microsoft at anything. Yes, Apple didn't spend 8 billion taking OSX from Tiger to Leopard. Heck, they didn't even spend that much to buy NeXT.

quote:
This tired "argument" again? The same argument that has gotten you "pwned" every time you and your fellow Macolytes have ever brought it up? Go and read every other Mac "security" article ever written on DT again.


You are more than welcome to show the misery OSX users go through to remove fake anti-virus programs or try to clean up the registry, or fix "WinRot."

I have a better idea, why don't you ask Anand Lal Shimpi about the troubles he faces on his Mac? You know, the one who started this web site?

quote:
I dislike Microsoft only slightly less than Apple - however, I choose to use Windows because it's the only rational choice - granted that I want to have easy access to 99%+ of all software ever written, reasonably priced hardware, and I like playing PC games. I use Windows because there's no reasonable alternative. You want to use a Mac, go right ahead - that's kind of another little sign for the rest of us, if we happen to be unlucky enough to meet you in the real world. Which seems rather unlikely, since it doesn't seem you live in the real world anyway...


Microsoft didn't copy Unix; they actually licensed it and made their own. It was called Xenix.

Amiga was a cheap clone of the Mac. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Mosaic was the start of the first browser and the source of Apache. Spyglass was the company formed to make it commercial.

Just keep in mind though, OpenGL was around and cross platform (in fact its logo was prominent in WinNT 4). It only took 7 generations of DirectX to finally come up to where OpenGL was. Just like Apple has their own OSX apps, Microsoft made DirectX an Windows Exclusive. Piracy however isn't making the PC platform too attract nowadays.

Kinda funny how it all worked out. Apple did suck during the earlier part of the 90s until Jobs came back and fired all the stupid idiots who were driving the company into the ground. The same thing should be done at Microsoft, because clearly Steve Ballmer is doing the same to Microsoft.

I actually do not own a Mac; two months ago I was forced to use one for 2 hours to set them up on a network for a customer of mine. The reason why their whole family went Mac is because she got tired of her Dell computer being so slow and infected. I gave her all her options and she chose Apple. Nice little machine; the precision of it was remarkable.

Microsoft could:

1. Make a better registry, where it didn't corrupt or slow down the system so easily
2. Clean up the arrangement of where it stores its settings
3. Ditch the win32 API and use .net exclusively (seems like that is coming soon)
4. Focus on Windows and not on trying to emulate Apple at every corner of the market. Example: Apple isn't trying to be Google because they aren't stupid enough to even try to catch up with them. Microsoft though apparently has billions to waste on Yahoo!

Here's the problem with those steps: While it frees Windows from all the problems it faces, it ironically makes it obsolete. Microsoft knows this, and therefore will keep people hooked onto Windows as long as they can.

Unfortunately for them, more and more choices are here, and most are not an x86 based computer either. And netbooks seem to be the only computer selling right now, and Microsoft's profit on them isn't as great either.


RE: First of all...
By Motoman on 10/14/2009 12:41:56 AM , Rating: 2
...the amazing thing is that you go from fundamentally misunderstanding the most blatant usage of sarcasm in the history of the world, and wind up talking about the Windows registry...?

Whatever dude. You are beyond help. I'm going to take my own advice and stop feeding this troll.


RE: First of all...
By sprockkets on 10/14/2009 12:59:51 AM , Rating: 2
You were discussing why you used Windows, and why people find it rational to use an alternative OS called OSX to escape the crap they dealt with for years.

You keep trying to steer the discussion about your "obvious" sarcasm because you lost the argument about OSX and the malware myth.

Face it, you have nothing to show for why you hate Apple. You hate them because it's the "in" thing to do here. Oh wait, you do have a reason; it's those stupid commercials where Apple mocks how pathetic the Vista 8 billion dollar dud was.


RE: First of all...
By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2009 4:30:47 AM , Rating: 2
I found it quite funny that you talk about all the fake anti-virus programs that people download for Windows. While true it is a moot point as Apple doesn't have tons of spammers, hackers, and what-not trying to fool the ignorant masses (whichever side they may be on). If there were just as many ads for fake anti-virus programs for Apple as there are for Windows I know that the percentages would be about the same as to who downloads them. Masses are stupid. And you know what they say, "You can't fix stupid."


RE: First of all...
By Akrovah on 10/14/2009 11:27:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are not good at it.


Yeah, he kind of is.

He makes reference to the Book of Jobs and pretends to quote passages in biblical language, and you couldn't tell he was joking?

And what's wrong with the Wii? The games are fun and inventive, rather than just treading over the same old thing over and over again. Some of the ones that do tread old ground even manage to feel a little new again (like Metroid Prime 3, which made it hard to go back to an FPS with a traditionsl controller.) It has no next gen graphics, Boo-Hoo. Good games don't need good graphics. I'll still play the original Doom over the new ones anyday. Or X-Com/UFO Enemy Unknown (depending on which side of the pond you are on) over most strategy games with pretty pretty lights.

What the Wii added was next gen control. Don't believe me? Then why are MS and Sony both trying to rip it off?

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Bug?!
By voxvolvox on 10/13/2009 8:44:43 AM , Rating: 5
Hey, It isn't a bug... It's a feature!




RE: Bug?!
By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 9:12:32 AM , Rating: 3
+1

I concur. This is a specific bonus feature purposely added by Apple. It's so amazing that even Microsoft was stupid not to include it with Windows 7!


RE: Bug?!
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Bug?!
By omnicronx on 10/13/2009 9:53:57 AM , Rating: 2
Windows 7 must be some hot shit if it was steaming for an entire month! What a nice review by reader, he must have had a change of heart.


RE: Bug?!
By bkslopper on 10/13/2009 10:02:51 AM , Rating: 3
For all your complaining, how many times has Windows 7 deleted all your user information?

Score:
Win7 - 1
OSX - 0


RE: Bug?!
By CU on 10/13/2009 11:10:31 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. I could deal with alot of problems but, deleting my data is not one them.


RE: Bug?!
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Bug?!
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 7:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, point to 2 year old articles on problems that have been fixed. That'll prove your point at lot more. The first 3 links are all the same problem, please don't make it seems like it's 3 separate ones. And even before they were fixed you could simply not copy that many files at once. Yea, it totally sucks that you are forced to do that, but it's a minor inconvenience for most. Your "4th problem" isn't an issue really. Yea, you may not be able to tell how long a file transfer is going to take for a couple minutes, but who cares? It's not broken, and even if it was it's a very minor problem.

Your last one was a big problem, and many people complained about it. It's not like we only complain about Apple problems and just ignore Window ones. But yet again, it's fixed. Moot point at this point in time.


RE: Bug?!
By jhb116 on 10/13/2009 8:11:45 PM , Rating: 3
He said Win 7 - not Vista - DUMBA$$


RE: Bug?!
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Bug?!
By Flunk on 10/13/2009 11:12:55 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, because Snow Leopard isn't an incremental upgrade that changes very little. On that note I saw a pig fly past my window last Tuesday evening.

P.S. your post also presumes that Vista wasn't a big change from XP where in fact there were a lot of changes down to the kernel level. Both networking and sound are now services to name 2 major items but there are many more. Do you actually know anything about what you're posting about.

P.P.S. Sorry, I do realize that by convention post scriptum should not be longer than the message.


RE: Bug?!
By ultimaone on 10/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Bug?!
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Bug?!
By Zshazz on 10/13/2009 10:36:29 AM , Rating: 2
Who gives a shit? Open two Windows Explorers up and use the taskbar, that's what it's there for.

Glad you know more than you let on
- Drag to maximize ... I'll give you that one, somewhat. It seems like it'd be more useful for touch screens. But if you don't see why drag-to-side or Winkey+Left/Right Arrow isn't useful, you're retarded. I used it all the time, but then again, I actually use my computer for working on stuff, unlike you who spends more time complaining than actually using it.
- The touchscreen controls are fine. Though, I do agree that a custom-tailored OS would be better, the extra resources it would take would be substantial. It's more efficient to combine the concepts, for now.
- This complaint is cryptic and meaningless.
- Whatever, I don't use them. Instead of complaining, close them.
- Aero Peek is a gimmick, but it's a pretty/fun gimmick. It's not like the gimmick that Apple has with their easy cleanup utility called the "guest account"... that little feature that this news story is actually about... That's not pretty or fun.

I can't believe you're still complaining about this crap. Again, switch to another operating system and STFU.


RE: Bug?!
By Luticus on 10/13/2009 10:50:07 AM , Rating: 2
By your logic the "on" button is a gimmick.

Good lord man - different people like different features and interface updates and changes are nice. I disabled the Mac dash board because i feel it's worthless and does nothing but sit there unused but you don't see me posting about how "gimmicky" it is. I absolutely DISPISE finder (retarded name), it's the clunkiest piece of junk I’ve ever seen... doesn't even have an address bar that I could easily find.

I have a friend with a Mac who told me all about this really great Mac only feature called "spaces" - oh ah, apparently they've never used or seen any distribution of 'nix EVER because every single one has virtual desktops and it's nothing new at all. you can even get the unnecessary "feature" on windows with 3rd party programs.

You’re just pissed because there's a legitimate flaw in your beloved OS of choice...

It's all about choice my friend... don't be such a tool!


RE: Bug?!
By omnicronx on 10/13/2009 10:53:49 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The drag-to-maximize and drag-to-side maximizing features are gimmicks. They're stupid and useless. Perfect example of feature creep.
I love the drag and drop maximizing, I use it all the time with my wide screen monitor to so that I can read two things at once without having to resize the windows manually.
quote:
Touchscreen control is completely worthless. Touchscreen devices need an OS and software specifically designed for touch control.
Which is the point of integrating touch control into the OS.. instead of varying from vendor to vendor, MS has attempted to streamline the way touch control interacts with windows. While you may not care about touch control, those running windows based FMS systems probably do.
quote:
Security settings are cryptic and meaningless.
Good.. default security settings are great in Windows 7 in IMO, the more cryptic it is, the less likely a stupid user who does not know what they are doing will turn it off.
quote:
Gadgets are still worthless.
OSX/Windows/Nix.. all have gadgets, I'm not the biggest fan either, but obviously someone uses them or they would not be available in every mainstream OS. I.e who cares what you think.
quote:
Aero Peek is a gimmick, like Flip 3D.
Gimmicks sell, what else is knew. I think the dock moving and squirming with OSX is a gimmick too, but apparently it sells.
quote:
I can't believe people are actually paying for this crap.
Thats nice, I can't believe you are not hiding in a box with a tin foil hat by now hiding from secret MLB satellites. You are seriously the most paranoid reader on DT..


RE: Bug?!
By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 1:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
Funny because I use both "drag-to-side maximize" (which is actually "drag-to-side tiling") and Aero Peek all the time.

I never used Flip 3D because I'm not an Alt+Tab sort of guy. But Aero Peek is used for every taskbar icon and "peeking" through to open windows that might be hidden. It is alot better than having to click through till you find the window you wanted.


RE: Bug?!
By Zshazz on 10/13/2009 10:10:37 AM , Rating: 3
I certainly don't get that you "hate to say it"... for someone who hates doing something, you sure have done it alot under this one story alone.

- The new taskbar is different... some people like it, some people don't. After making it instantly apply the "hover over" effect (in the registry, look it up), the newest taskbar is perfect for me. In any case, you can switch to the older style pretty easily.
- Bull. The Aero GUI looks fine, and with Windows 7, it's even better. Ever tried dragging a window to either side of the screen or pressing Winkey+ Left or Right? That's call function, idiot. Surely you've ignored how they integrated the "show desktop feature" ... it's not just a button anymore, it's a great combination of form and function.
- Cleartype is fine, buy new glasses.
- I haven't seen what you say, so I'm certain it's an absurdly rare case.
- Seeing as you have such difficulty with everything else, I'm gonna say this is a PEBKAC error.
- Explorer is irrelevant. It's a necessary evil in order to download Firefox/Chrome/Opera. No one cares if it has any features as long as it can do that much.
- Potentially a good point, but I think that you're regurgitating something you heard somewhere else because you're too incompetent to come up with anything on your own. Provide more specific examples, lest you doom yourself to looking like an idiot.
- I actually don't remember if this is true or not, but I guess it also depends on what you're definition of "customize" means, too.
- I fail to see the relevancy. If it works, and you claim Microsoft keeps screwing up "improving" with new stuff, this ought to be a positive remark on your record.
- Fair enough, they're redundant. Though, I'm sure if they could get rid of menus without people like yourself complaining, they'd do that.
- In my time using W7, I never felt that way.
- Oh really? Well, tell that to apps that will take advantage of DirectCompute in about 6 months. They'll love to laugh you out of the room.
- This has been said time and time again. You're about 6 years late on boarding that train, Bubba. When will you guys learn? PC gaming is not dead or dying. Plus, as I just mentioned, DX11 is not irrelevant even in a non-PC gaming world, because some of its features are applicable outside of gaming (DirectCompute).

Not surprising. Incompetency makes it quite difficult to tell two things apart.

Anyway, ultimately, if you're so dissatisfied with Windows, switch to Linux. Or, how about you switch to a Mac and fear that using basic features like a guest account might delete all your files.

Personally, I use Linux for everything except gaming now... but when I was using Windows 7 primarily, I found it quite a refreshing change from the same-old from Microsoft. Even now, it has a home as my gaming partition.


RE: Bug?!
By weskurtz0081 on 10/13/2009 10:15:09 AM , Rating: 1
This just reminded me of you reader1.

http://tinyurl.com/yhv3wmu


RE: Bug?!
By check on 10/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: Bug?!
By themaster08 on 10/13/2009 12:56:40 PM , Rating: 1
Cry


RE: Bug?!
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 2:31:54 PM , Rating: 1
LOL :)

Seriously I don't get it why reader1 is picking on OS X Dock in Win 7 AKA new Win 7 taskbar/superbar. I like it as much as I like OS X Dock, and it's even slightly better than the Apple's Dock, visually better, not functionally.

I mean, if reader1 is such an Apple lover he should be cheering on OS X like dock in Win 7, but he calls it crap? Hmm, I fail to explain this.

reader1, could you shed some light on that please? Do you hate OS X Dock as much as you hate Win 7 superbar? If no, why? What's the real difference between 'em? Besides visual one of course.


RE: Bug?!
By Yaron on 10/13/2009 2:37:38 PM , Rating: 1
buuuuull s*it.


RE: Bug?!
By carniver on 10/15/2009 5:41:37 PM , Rating: 2
Hey it isn't a bug...It's OSX!


Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By web2dot0 on 10/13/2009 4:06:46 PM , Rating: 1
It's pretty obvious that Dailytech is bias towards non-Apple products.
Everytime there's a Apple problem, it describes it as some sort of big failure. When there's a problem in Windows, it talks about how minor it is.

Apple has acknowledged the problem and is working on the fix. What else do you want them to do? Every OS have bugs. The problem comes when they don't fix them bugs and do not acknowledge the problem. Even Linux have day zero bugs. Chill out man.

Let's have rational discussion and start reporting NEWS. This should not be an opinion piece.

Real classy DailyTech.




RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 4:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
Only thing I could agree on is that this isn't a "major" bug. It is far more serious than most that are found in Windows though. You should be able to see that. Out of the last dozen or so I can recall for Windows I can't think of one that was pretty much guaranteed your data would be lost. Just having an exploit in an OS doesn't mean you'll get screwed. Just means that someone else can take advantage of it. This problem with OS X and the guest account is pretty much the user/OS screwing itself. Big differences. Overplayed? Yes. Unimportant? No.

I also agree that everything Apple does doesn't need to be reported on. Perhaps they should stop worrying about Apple and actually get some real news out. I've seen several important article on here that could be found elsewhere days before DT posted them. Though I can say I usually come here to waste time, so arguing with the likes of Reader1 and Pirks takes up far more time than reading an article. I love it when I can do both at the same time though. :)


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 5:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot about Windows Home server, you know, the one that's specific function is to back up, that's right, your data, and it only took them MONTHS to figure the bug out?


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 5:15:58 PM , Rating: 1
That's not one of the ones I recalled off the top of my head, but that was a major bug. I don't believe it affected that many people, as how many people actually use home server?

Though I don't see what your point is since people bitched about that bug just as much, if not more than this one. Granted I don't believe that many complained about it on this site. But guess what? This isn't the only site that reported on that bug.


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 5:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe Snow Leopard bug with data removal after guest login affected that many people, as how many people actually use Macs? ;-)


By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 7:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
Which is a good point. Both are small percentages of the population. Both still got complained about for a really stupid problem. Granted the Windows one seems to have been more complicated than this one is going to be.


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By sprockkets on 10/13/2009 6:03:48 PM , Rating: 2
They did, but the difference was, there is a pic of "just works" at the top, while in the other thread, I can't remember.

Apple gets their flack because they actually set high standards both inside and out for themselves, and are ridiculed when they don't meet it. After all, that is why they cost so much. It's also easier when all they release is one set of products a year, unlike others who release like hundreds of models, and variations of them at different stores.

With Microsoft's history of Win9x and OEMs penchant for the lowest cost hardware, any issue with them is just "business as usual."


By Pirks on 10/13/2009 6:37:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
With Microsoft's history of Win9x and OEMs penchant for the lowest cost hardware, any issue with them is just "business as usual."
Hear, hear! *thumbs up*

"Business as usual" - that's exactly what I thought when I discovered that Win 7 RTM start menu does not always pop out submenus (like control panel) when you hover mouse over it. Sometimes the submenu pops out when you just hold your mouse over it, sometimes it does not and you have to click the mouse there. MS screwed the notion of consistency itself in all the openings they could... or maybe this is just a bug, who knows.

Totally true that Apple sets very high standards but you have to realize that they are the whole platform holder, i.e. they control everything, software AND harwdare AND distribution of 3rd party apps for their mobile platform. MS can't afford such high standards because it controls only software, and the rest is in the hands of its screwy little "partners" who who love to fock and dick around, you know that (OEM PC preinstalled bloatware and sh!t like that).

So yeah, the amount of noise when Apple encounters a rare bug is staggering. THE LOSS OF PERFECTION!!!! OMG THE PERFECT COMPUTER JUST SCREWED!!! JOBS LIVER IS DOOMED LOL OMG HAHAHA!!!111!!

Apple is a victim of their own high standards, that's true and is pretty funny :)))


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 7:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
I don't even look at the pics at the top unless someone mentions them in a comment.

Actually, the whole point of these articles, other than to get viewers of course, is to show that the Mac platform is just as vulnerable and fault filled as the Windows platform. You're going to find problems in every OS. The severity, root cause, and even quantity might be different, but that's going to be it. And it even looks like severity might be about the same too.


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By sprockkets on 10/14/2009 1:04:39 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. At this point in time, Windows isn't a big security issue either. I just wished they focused on that to begin with.


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Pirks on 10/14/2009 3:18:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows isn't a big security issue
After reading http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/... don't you feel different about Windows being "secure" these days? C'mon, just be honest, tell me what you feel... and how about this? -> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/... <- feel different about "secure" Windows now, eh? ;-)


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2009 4:40:20 AM , Rating: 2
You seem to think that if they had been using another OS that they would have magically been saved. Truth is that if someone wants something done, it's going to get done. An OS isn't going to stop them, although it may be a hindrance. I'd say that if you don't have the kind of money that they had that you probably don't have to worry about an attack that sophisticated being used on you. That'd be a hell of a lot of effort to steal a measly grand after all.

You can hide behind your small marketshare for now, but if someone really wants to hurt you your OS simply isn't going to stop them if they are determined enough.


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Pirks on 10/14/2009 5:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
How are they going to hurt it if I don't open my spam email attachments? ;)


RE: Dailytech has a "partisan" view of news
By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2009 1:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't even say how they gained access to the computer. While the easiest way probably would be through email that is certainly not the one and only way to gain access. Just being connected to the internet makes you vulnerable. Also, you're boiling it down to user stupidity again. You can't do anything about that. Best you can do is make it to where it is their choice and things don't just run randomly.


By Pirks on 10/14/2009 3:32:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just being connected to the Internet makes you vulnerable
How so? :) I don't get it. My home Windows machine is directly connected to Internet for 7 years already, and not a single case of a virus infection just because I was "being connected to the Internet" as you say. Care to explain this mystery?


Please ignore "reader1"
By gstrickler on 10/13/2009 11:58:22 AM , Rating: 2
He's a troll. He's probably not even a Mac user, just someone trying to give both Window and Mac OS a bad name.

Is there anyway we can get him banned from here? Of course not, he would just create a new account, but I can dream about the day when posts from trolls are automatically rejected.

BTW, I'm a Mac and Windows user (prefer the Mac, but both have their uses), and I can say that reader1 definitely does not represent a typical Mac user.




RE: Please ignore "reader1"
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 5:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is there anyway we can get him banned from here?
Bans are for pussies like you :) We need ignore list actually. Let people decide who their personal trolls are and mark them in this list. Now this is what I call freedom for adults, not for pussies.

We need it even more than that mythical "Edit" button! :)))


RE: Please ignore "reader1"
By gstrickler on 10/14/2009 12:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We need it even more than that mythical "Edit" button! :)))
I'll second that.

Pirks, you're just opposed to a ban because you're one of the people who might get banned. While you post some relevant facts, you let your opinion get in the way of communicating those effectively.


RE: Please ignore "reader1"
By nikon133 on 10/13/2009 6:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
I gave you +1 for your tolerant approach, but I don't agree with you.

Considering Macbook for my notebook this time last year, I started checking on Apple Insider forums (among other sources for Apple related info).

Maybe it is the AI thing, I don't know - but over 50% of members are much more than biased Apple fans - most of them, actually, can be classified as Apple Extremists. Honestly. Number of people there - significant number - are religious about everything Apple, starting with Mr. Jobs.

To make it even worst, people writing articles are almost like priesthood, and there are days when you can see more new articles about Microsoft than about Apple.

Should I say that all MS articles are extremely negative?

Number of anti-evil MS articles are based on anonymous but well informed source within MS ranks (nothing more than gossips, actually), yet each is followed by army of rabid extremists predicting incoming demise of whole MS and all the evil in the IT world. It is almost scary, sometimes; MS articles have much more posts than Apple articles on average, even if it is Apple forum.

So... I don't know. Maybe it is only about people participating in forums. Maybe it is about being minority in IT world. Maybe something completely different. But one way or another, it doesn't paint Mac users in overly nice colours.


RE: Please ignore "reader1"
By gstrickler on 10/14/2009 1:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe it is the AI thing, I don't know - but over 50% of members are much more than biased Apple fans - most of them, actually, can be classified as Apple Extremists. Honestly. Number of people there - significant number - are religious about everything Apple, starting with Mr. Jobs.
What do you expect from a site named "AppleInsider"? I read articles on AI, but only when they're linked from another site, I never go there directly. BTW, some of the articles on AI are great info you'll have trouble finding elsewhere. Blame the posters, not the site. Try MacInTouch (Mac specific) and ArsTechnica (very balanced coverage) instead.

I would expect just as much extremism from a site named "WindowsInsider". I find just as much (pro Windows, anti-Apple) extremism at TomsHardware/TomsGuide forums, less at AnandTech/DT, and the least extremism (for any platform) at ArsTechnica. SlashDot is a mixed bag, lots of experts, lots of great info, still too many extremists, but the extremist posts tend to go to 0 very quickly, so if you set your threshhold to 3 or 4, it's pretty good info.

I'm not bashing any of those sites, they all have many good (and some not so good) articles, but the people posting on the forums can really test your patience at times.
quote:
Maybe it is about being minority in IT world.
That's definitely a factor. Just fighting the sheer volume of mis-information, outdated info, and outright lies can make you want to scream. When there are 10x as many people praising Windows and/or spreading mis-information about Apple/Mac, it takes something to even be heard. I've learned not to take any of it personally, and that screaming, berating people, etc don't help at all, so I try to stick to the facts, and minimize my "preaching" and make it clear when I'm simply stating an opinion or preference.


Reader1
By Drag0nFire on 10/13/2009 2:56:40 PM , Rating: 2
Stop feeding the troll...




Guess account bug
By Dennis Travis on 10/13/2009 4:53:39 PM , Rating: 2
From all I have seen it's happening only to those who upgraded from Leopard. People that did a clean install are not seeming to have the issue. Seems to be an issue with the existing guest account from 10.5. That still does not excuse the issue. Apple needs to address it in 10.6.2.




Other SL bugs remain...
By bernardl on 10/13/2009 8:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, this is far from being the only serious issue with Snow Leopard.

John Nack of Adobe has reported a critical bug involving application crash at save, this has been partially solved with 10.6.1 but some problems remain.

As far as I can recall, this is the most severe bug ever on a major OS release, yet most online publications like Macworld or this very site have not even reported on it... so those looking for conspiracy theories will find this an order of magnitude more interesting than the present report.

This is pretty well documented among pro users of Photoshop to the extend that many - including myself - have not upgraded yet to SL because of this issue.

Cheers,
Bernard




By captainBOB on 10/13/2009 9:19:16 PM , Rating: 1
Because everything is fine and dandy in Leopard, as soon as Snow Leopard comes out shit hits the fan.

Pretty poor work from Apple, this is a pretty obvious flaw that should have been found long before SL became beta.

So now everyone grab your stopwatches and start timing how long it takes Apple to release the fix. :)




Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/13/2009 8:53:18 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Microsoft's monopoly has kept computers from advancing. They are too complex and convoluted.
You sir, are an idiot....


RE: Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By weskurtz0081 on 10/13/2009 8:55:25 AM , Rating: 4
I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or serious....

Are you really trying to blame Apple's poor programming on Microsoft? So, who does Microsoft get to blame their mistakes on? Or, is it just blame everything on Microsoft and they have no one to blame but themselves?

Great post by the way, truly informative!


By amanojaku on 10/13/2009 9:17:45 AM , Rating: 4
Look, it IS Microsoft's fault. If Microsoft hadn't been busy improving it's OS and apps Apple wouldn't have to resort to cheap tricks and fancy gimmicks to get by. Oh, sure, Apple does have a generally decent product line, but it certainly ain't better. Just different.


RE: Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By michal1980 on 10/13/2009 8:58:46 AM , Rating: 5
really?

maybe we need to go back to the old school days

cd idiot

c:\idiot\

dir

reader1.user
1 File(s)

delete reader1.user

dir

0 Files

----------

Ya that was easier.


RE: Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By ChronoReverse on 10/13/2009 10:21:50 AM , Rating: 2
It's easy to make fun of a command shell (whether a unix style one, DOS style one or Powershell style one) with a simple task but it's just as easy to make fun of a GUI for the opposite.

del c:\readers\*idiot*.user


RE: Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By Zshazz on 10/13/2009 11:09:31 AM , Rating: 1
No kidding. CLI has some absurd scalability. Try searching through the contents of 25,000 files on a disk for email addresses.

CLI: Use regular expressions, It's fairly easy
GUI: Slit wrists, It's unattainable


By foolsgambit11 on 10/13/2009 6:49:24 PM , Rating: 2
That just depends on the GUI. In theory, a GUI can do everything the CLI can do, it's just a matter of making the interface for it - say, a search box that accepts regular expressions and allows operations on results, etc.... The only thing that stops every function from having its own GUI object is a cost-benefit analysis. It's too much work to program in a seldom-used function, especially one used almost exclusively by those technically savvy enough to use the CLI when they need it. A GUI has the ability to translate the complicated syntax of CLI input into something comprehensible to those somewhat less technically inclined, but it's only worth it if it's going to get use. Frankly, I'm surprised the common GUIs for Linux don't allow regular expression searches within files.


By n0ebert on 10/13/2009 10:21:14 AM , Rating: 3
nowadays it's all SQL.

SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
0 rows returned.


By Helbore on 10/13/2009 2:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
I just run the following command;

DeleteIdiot.bat

Make your life easier. Write a batch file for common tasks ;)


RE: Microsoft's monopoly is to blame.
By CU on 10/13/2009 11:58:27 AM , Rating: 1
Computer started off a simple calculators then became jack of all trades way before MS came alone. So try again with your blame game.

The reason for simpler devices is power requirements and size not want or need for something simple. If we had a small button battery that would power a gaming computer for 7 days and the whole think was the size of a phone with a fold out 24 inch monitor. Trust me that would be the next iPhone and everyone would want it. Who wants to have 20 simple devices when you could have one that would do it all plus more?


By eddieroolz on 10/13/2009 1:42:07 PM , Rating: 1
My friend, Microsoft does not have a monopoly. That would imply that Apple and Linux weren't allowed to exist.


By Helbore on 10/13/2009 2:36:50 PM , Rating: 1
Can anyone else see Reader1 sitting in front of his Mac and cursing at Microsoft whenever something goes wrong with it?

It's people like this that makes Steve Jobs weep with joy. He doesn't even have to try and convince them to hand over their money.

Jobs: "But a Mac. They just work...but if they go wrong, blame Microsoft, it's their fault.

Reader1: "ok."

Jobs: "One born every minute!" <rubs hands together>


Paul Thurrott: "Windows is the past."
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Paul Thurrott: "Windows is the past."
By bkslopper on 10/13/2009 10:07:01 AM , Rating: 4
I'm really getting sick of hearing about "the cloud". It's number 2 on my list below the buzzword "green" and above "H1N1".


By PhoenixKnight on 10/13/2009 12:41:04 PM , Rating: 2
But you can access it with Internet 2.0


RE: Paul Thurrott: "Windows is the past."
By CU on 10/13/2009 11:40:10 AM , Rating: 2
That supports cloud computing. Last I check MS is working on a cloud OS and Apple isn't, so how does that support what you said.


By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 1:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
Paul Thurrott is an idiot that couldn't even comprehend the new Windows 7 taskbar properly. He was confused at what all the icons on the taskbar meant - although in reality they are icons of programs that you specifically must pin to the taskbar. So to not know what you pinned to the taskbar means you shouldn't be giving anyone advice on anything IT related.


Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By Zshazz on 10/13/2009 10:17:35 AM , Rating: 2
See, now you're showing yourself off as even more of an idiot.

If you use Microsoft products, even for free, you support them by retaining their market share. If you had half of a brain, you'd realize the only way to hurt the monopoly is to use competitor's products. So, choose, Mac or Linux. That is to say, choose between expensive, insecure, and potentially losing all your data ... or completely free, relatively secure, and stable.


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By Helbore on 10/13/2009 2:42:09 PM , Rating: 3
Don't be silly. He can't be any more of an idiot.


By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 4:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
IDK, can you get dumber than a doorknob?


By weskurtz0081 on 10/13/2009 10:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
What does that link you posted have to do with anything? It's search results for what you searched.

Did you escape from somewhere, so sort of "institution"?


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By weskurtz0081 on 10/13/2009 10:22:11 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, talking about downloading the software.

Just because you download the software doesn't mean you don't own a key. *GASP*.

I have downloaded versions of Windows because the disk was damaged or lost! Oh NO!!!!


By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 3:46:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, you don't pay for the software. You pay for the license.


By damianrobertjones on 10/13/2009 10:21:34 AM , Rating: 2
So let's all descend into chaos then.

Let all the business people messa round trying to open documents from a number of other applications. We have standard and that standard is.... Windows and Office 200*.

Sure, we could all change to a Mac and then we'd all be back to square one, probably with far LESS control than we did before.

Think about a bigger picture, please. Try to think of the millions of people that simply want things to work, like files opening without much fuss.

If Microsoft released Win7 with major, major changes, they'd probably be slapped in the face. Also the last release of OSX didn't really change much so why not moan about THAT!


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By R3T4rd on 10/13/2009 11:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
Pirks...is that you?


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By PhoenixKnight on 10/13/2009 12:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, the lack of :)))))))))'s shows that it isn't Pirks. And, sad as it is, Pirks' comments make a lot more sense and his arguments are better thought-out.


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By R3T4rd on 10/13/2009 12:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm...maybe..that is if he starts using cars for his analogies.


RE: Direct download links to Windows 7 RTM
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 2:43:37 PM , Rating: 1
Hahaha :)))) No cars for you! :P

I must admit I disagree with reader1 on a few points but agree on others, particularly on the point that computers got way too complex for average Joe to master and Apple is doing the best job to simplify them. I'll give Apple that, alright? Actually satisfaction ratings support my view, since average Joes really love Apple's products for their simplicity. Hence J&D sky high ratings, always.

BTW I know who reader1 is. Just go to Paul Thurrot's forums and find posts of a very famous troll there, named robertsjoe. This reader1 guy is exact clone of him. It's either him, or his relative, or cloned one... VERY VERY much like him.


By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 4:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
OMG, I can't believe I'm gonna agree with Pirks. Might want to take a screenshot as this may never happen again. It seems to boil down to functionality vs simplicity in terms of the OSs. I choose functionality but I can very well see how many people would choose simplicity. People don't like to spend time trying to figure out how to do things so they'd rather have others do it for them. This can be seen in virtually every aspect of someone's life. Don't like to cook, don't have the time, or are just lazy. Let's use the microwave or order fast food. Not many like doing work so they try to pawn it off on others. Seems to be human nature to find the easy way out and not necessarily the right/correct way out. And no, I'm not saying that Windows, Mac, or even Linux is the correct choice. Just a very general statement.


This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: -1
By omnicronx on 10/13/2009 9:43:48 AM , Rating: 2
You are an idiot. Please show me a windows bug in which something as basic as logging into a guest account deletes all of your data. If true this would be one of the biggest OS bugs ever. This is not a security flaw, this is a basic functionality flaw.

Jobs is probably fuming right now, it would not surprise me if someone gets the axe for this.


By yomamafor1 on 10/13/2009 9:49:36 AM , Rating: 2
Or that Apple spends millions of dollars trying to hide those problems so that their "perfect" image can be saved?

Or that media just generally loves Apple because its the "underdog", regardless of Apple's shady and misleading actions?


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By damianrobertjones on 10/13/2009 10:22:49 AM , Rating: 2
Log onto a gew mac forums and read about the problems people face. Pretty much the SAME stuff as WIndows.


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2009 1:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
Worse because they all aren't using any AV protection and they are plagued by nVIDIA GPU issues.


By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 4:48:29 PM , Rating: 2
Can't blame Apple for problems nVidia's hardware makes. Much like you can't blame Microsoft too much for the lack of driver support when Vista debuted. That was a bit different but pretty much the same concept.


By evilharp on 10/13/2009 10:25:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mac bugs, like this, are covered by blogs and news sites because they're unusual.


Actually, this "bug" is being covered because of how spectacularly bad it is. This should have been identified in BETA testing, and not in the actual public release. If Apple was responsible, they would <sarcasm> let their user base know of the "Guest" flaw so the Apple Cult could protect its data/profiles while attempting to indoctrinate new users via the "Guest account".</sarcasm>

I guess the fruit flavored Unix variant can't handle user profiles as well as the regular Unix variants and descendants (BSD, Tru64, Solaris, Linux, etc...).

For the Apple faithful who need Guest accounts on OSX here's CNETs helpful sarcasm free suggestion:

quote:
If you need guest account functionality and do not trust the built-in account because of this problem, for now just create a new non-administrator account (call it "Visitor" if you need a semi-decent alternative name) for use as a guest, and customize restrictions for it with parental controls. In most instances this will work just fine, since the only real difference in behavior for guest accounts is that data and settings are reset upon logout.
Source: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10346974-263....


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By R3T4rd on 10/13/2009 11:38:20 AM , Rating: 1
reader1 = Pirks alternate ego

Not much of an alternate ego I'd say. Wait...aaahh I see the difference. As reader1 he tries to sound even more intelligent.


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 2:50:56 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, my alter ego is UrbanBard, but the bastard stopped appearing here, too bad. His posts were pretty funny.

I suffered from OS X 10.4 idiotic design and focked up GUI too much to support people like reader1 and UrbanBard. Unlike reader1 I _DID_ USE OS X and this is why I don't agree with him in general (but I agree with him on some minor details about PCs and Windows). I'm pretty sure reader1 never used OS X 10.4, good for him little antichicko :)))


By themaster08 on 10/13/2009 1:07:34 PM , Rating: 1
What a poor attempt to try and justify the flaws in your o'so perfect Mac. Thanks for the laughs, now, please continue to cry and force yourself to believe that it's all big bad Microsoft's fault.


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Helbore on 10/13/2009 2:47:22 PM , Rating: 1
...and whilst the rest of us are busy working away on our flawed PCs, you wil be wondering why all your documents have disappeared.

I honestly don't remember the last time I encountered a Windows bug that involved "all you files get deleted if you log in to the computer." How in hell do professional OS programmers make a mistake like that?


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By reader1 on 10/13/09, Rating: 0
RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Pirks on 10/13/2009 5:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
Can't say anything about file copy problems, maybe I'm just lucky in that I never had any problems but I'd agree with you that Vista's network stack was written by a bunch of drunk apes. Just read this hilarious one: http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2...

Vista's throttling the network traffic by limiting the number of received packets when audio is playing. Can you believe this? I thought it was a sick joke from some MS hater when I heard about it first time on the forums, but the truth tuned out to be way worse than that :(


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Alexstarfire on 10/13/2009 8:02:36 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize that 3 of those articles are about the exact same problem, right?


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Pirks on 10/14/2009 3:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
Hit wrong reply button Alex :P


By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2009 4:42:18 AM , Rating: 2
Sure as hell did.


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By themaster08 on 10/14/2009 3:18:16 AM , Rating: 2
That's very nice, we were already aware of the problems you've pointed out. But considering this is Apple's latest OS we're talking about here, I'd say it's only fair that we compare it with Windows 7.

But judging from an earlier post of yours, it seems that all you can do with Windows 7 is criticize the UI, of which all of your points made are not bugs, just you nit picking.

quote:
I lost about 400MB myself on Vista, but luckily I had backed it up.

You madam, are a hypocrite. You're telling people not to buy Windows, but you're there using Vista, and you've also used Windows 7.

Words cannot describe your idiocy.


RE: This proves Macs have fewer bugs.
By Pirks on 10/14/2009 5:28:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
but you're there suffering Vista, and you've also suffered Windows 7
fixed


By JohnnyOne on 10/14/2009 7:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe Apple should rename it to "Doh! Leopard".

Snigger..


By Helbore on 10/16/2009 12:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
So - no Windows bugs where logging in to the computer causes all your files to be deleted then?

Glad you agreed with me!


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