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The slick Fisker Karma luxury hybrid, set to debut later this year for $87,000 gets a modest 67.2 mpg, while offering hot performance.
It may not claim as high mileage as the Chevy Volt, but the Karma sure looks nice

These days, wild claims about plug-in fuel economy are becoming commonplace.  GM is claiming that the 2011 Chevy Volt will get an incredible 230 mpg.  And Nissan, not to be outdone, is claiming that its pure-electric 2011 Nissan Leaf EV will get 367 mpg (presumably calculated using power plant efficiency, as the vehicle uses no fuel).

Fisker, meanwhile, is taking a more modest approach.  It is claiming that its slick Karma luxury plug-in hybrid gets 3.5 liters per 100 kilometers (equivalent to 67.2 mpg U.S.).  Fisker reports that the Karma also features low emissions -- a mere 83 grams per kilometer.  Fisker was careful to back these claims, stating that it adhered to the J2841 emissions testing methodology developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers.

Fisker CEO Henrik Fisker brags, "The Fisker Karma is the future of driving. It proves we can drive environmentally responsible cars without sacrificing the emotional things that made us fall in love with cars in the first place."

The Karma is anticipated to debut later this year at a price tag of approximately $87,000.  This places it in direct competition with the Tesla Roadster, but the sticker price places it in less of a direct competition with the Leaf and Chevy Volt.

The vehicle features a top speed of 125 mph and can reach 60 mph (from a stop) in 5.8 seconds.  It sports a 2.0 l Turbocharged Ecotec VVT engine, along with two electric motors for 403 total horsepower.  It has a 50 mile all-electric range.  A solar roof option is offered for both recharging the battery pack and offering climate control, similar to the Prius.  The roof panel is estimated to provide up to half a kilowatt-hour per day.

Fisker hopes to sell 15,000 of the vehicles a year.  If it can sustain this sales pace, it will save 248 million gallons of gasoline by 2016, it estimates.  Whether it can meet this objective or not, it's refreshing to see one company taking a more measured approach to fuel economy claims.

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RE: Wait
By MrBlastman on 9/9/2009 11:51:56 AM , Rating: -1
There's nothing worse than a sexy woman who starfishes when she is in bed. If you don't know what I'm talking about, think about it.

This car, is said woman, that is starfishing.

400+ HP, 125 mph, 5.8 sec 0-60? Oh give me a break. I have a Subaru WRX, it is AWD, has 227 HP with 217 ft-lbs of Torque, I can go 0-60 in 5.4 seconds (perhaps a little faster if I really slip the clutch), I can easily go over 140 MPH (never tried it but know people who have), I've tracked it, autocrossed it, modded the suspension and I bet it can out-handle this porker of a starfish.

Good looks never make up for not wanting to play. What's the point of having a sexy woman you can't have fun with? Especially one that might break your bank account.

RE: Wait
By Amiga500 on 9/9/2009 12:09:30 PM , Rating: 4
I have a Subaru WRX, it is AWD, has 227 HP with 217 ft-lbs of Torque, I can go 0-60 in 5.4 seconds (perhaps a little faster if I really slip the clutch), I can easily go over 140 MPH (never tried it but know people who have), I've tracked it, autocrossed it, modded the suspension and I bet it can out-handle this porker of a starfish.

'course you can.

But while your filling up your 3rd fuel tank, they are still running around on their first.

You cannot seriously expect it to do everything better than what exists currently!

I wish people would use a little bit of sense before pulling out an apple to compare to an orange.

RE: Wait
By MrBlastman on 9/9/2009 12:15:58 PM , Rating: 3
You are missing my point. My car is a station wagon and it is ugly. It is extremely utilitarian, it is functional and I've loved it every day for the past five years.

Spending a life based on vanity and looks is a futile and senseless practice. Who said you can't be practical (like I have been with the Subaru) and have a heck of a lot of fun at the same time (going 100+ mph in a short straight coming in to a 90-degree turn and a set of esses will certainly get your adrenaline going).

If we spent more time developing practical fuels (such as Algae-based petroleum), we could possibly have the best of both worlds.

RE: Wait
By Amiga500 on 9/9/2009 1:47:02 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with what your saying by and by large.

But you can equally apply that argument to all Ferraris, Lambos, Bentleys, Aston Martins, Corvettes, Vipers etc etc etc.

The original Impreza was definitely not ugly. Some of those that followed were hideous.

RE: Wait
By MrBlastman on 9/9/2009 3:03:37 PM , Rating: 3
The 2.5rs is actually really hot (the 1999 one). I can't think of a sexier looking rally car, which is the chassis the coveted GC8 22B STi was based off of. Then as you say (I agree), they went downhill. I have an 04 which of all the modern ones with the exception of the bugeye, looks the best, at least according to most people I talk to.

Either way though, it is still an ugly car. I don't care though, it is a heck of a lot of fun to drive. :)

The thing with Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsche's etc., is that they look good AND go fast. They can back up what they flaunt.

RE: Wait
By Funksultan on 9/9/2009 2:02:21 PM , Rating: 2
No, we got your point. You're just wrong.

Spending a life based on vanity and looks is a futile and senseless practice.

For YOU maybe. Once you grasp the concept that everyone doesn't feel the way YOU do, you'll be one more step closer winning the interweb.

(Curious, did you think about it before you posted? Did it occur to you that a $50k Corvette buries a $400k Bentley in every factor you seem to think is important? I stopped caring about driving fast or cornering at 60mph many years ago. Gimme something comfortable that looks good, and I'm happy.)

RE: Wait
By MrBlastman on 9/9/2009 2:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
Haha--an opinion is wrong. That is hilarious. I don't care what other people think, nor if they feel like I do or not. I don't have to either. That is what is great about having an opinion.

Yes, I thought, and my point was simple.

Why have a car that LOOKS like it goes fast, but does not?

In the import world, that is called rice. You are making a slow car look fast, hence faking it.

The car looks like it goes fast, therefore it should. That, sir, is an opinion. Not only is it an opinion, but it is a practice I follow every day. Be real and don't fake things and life will provide much reward.

Or are we in the Socialist State of America now where we can not have opinions that others disagree with?

RE: Wait
By Tsuwamono on 9/9/2009 9:26:33 PM , Rating: 3
you mean totalitarian..

Socialism has nothing to do with controlling the populations ability to speak freely.

RE: Wait
By wired00 on 9/10/2009 1:43:01 AM , Rating: 3
i still don't agree with the "WRX wagon ugliness" bit... shame on you ;)

RE: Wait
By drkicker on 9/9/2009 12:52:05 PM , Rating: 3
To Mr. Blastmans' point, it's a matter of economics.

New Fisker - $87,000
New STI - $37,000
Cost difference - $50,000
Cost of premium gas - $2.69 gallon
Gallons bought for $50K - 18,587.xx
STI's horrid city mileage - 17.5
STI's range for $50K in gas - 325,272.5 miles
At 15K miles a year, breakeven is 21.68 years assuming 0 additional costs (gas or tires or batteries) on the Fisker.

Yes, it's a really nice looking car with decent performance, but how can anyone justify the cost?

RE: Wait
By TomZ on 9/9/2009 12:58:39 PM , Rating: 5
Despite all the data, you missed the point. Someone buying a car for $87K+ isn't concerned about the cost.

RE: Wait
By The0ne on 9/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Wait
By Sazar on 9/9/2009 1:18:24 PM , Rating: 2
Not everyone buys cars in that price range for cost/performance ratio.

Fisker makes exclusives and has been known for that for a while. Look at their portfolio. They made a living customizing BMW's and the like :)

YOUR choice is not going to be what Fisker uses to determine it's market. From the previous articles on this vehicle (which looks great by the way), there are plenty of people who have already pre-ordered the vehicle.

Here is a video of it on Laguna Seca, just out for a spin.

RE: Wait
By The0ne on 9/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wait
By Sazar on 9/9/2009 6:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, if I had the money, I would buy it for the looks and the technology, much like I bought my current vehicle.

Personally I would have liked for it to have had a little better performance but as long as I have the option to toggle into power mode and launch sub 6 second times to 60, I am perfectly happy. This is not a track-car after all :)

RE: Wait
By The0ne on 9/15/2009 6:55:27 PM , Rating: 2
That is why "looks" is #1 and the post got rated down still :) Nice!

RE: Wait
By Spuke on 9/9/2009 1:16:04 PM , Rating: 2
Someone buying a car for $87K+ isn't concerned about the cost.
Nor would they be concerned about gas mileage either. This car will simply be used by celebrities to show how much they "care" about the environment. It will be driven to the Emmys and Oscars only and promptly returned the garage afterwards where they'll get into their SL65 (one of the cars these people actually DO drive) for the after parties. Seriously, when these people are caught with their pants down somewhere, what cars are they usually caught in?

(Hint: it's not that Prius that they showed up in at the MTV Music Awards.)

One thing I've learned in my short life is that WE (the royal we) do what we want, when we want, and how we want regardless of what comes out of our mouths or what's typed on a keyboard in an internet forum. It's just how it is.

RE: Wait
By callmeroy on 9/11/2009 1:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say you hit the nail on the head.

Its amazing though how many people eat it up when they read a story in some gossip rag or on some stupid celebrity news show (TMZ anyone?) that so and so pulled up in a Prius or some other environmentally friendly vehicle....

Folks --- most of the "hollywood elite" celebs as some magazines call them --- are just putting on a show for the media .... if you could sneak a peak into their lives when they aren't "performing" for the media i bet you they aren't so environmentally friendly in the energy they use or the cars they "REALLY" drive....

RE: Wait
By Hieyeck on 9/9/2009 1:44:05 PM , Rating: 2

New Lambourghini Murcialago - $500~K
Murcialago's mileage - 8mpg

It's a nice car that doesn't suck gas. You're comparing an everyday driver to a LUXURY car - a car with wood trim and either a bamboo weave or 'premium' (ask the website, not me) leather. For something with similar features, you're probably looking at something along the lines of a BMW 6-series for a gasoline comparison.

It's BECAUSE it's a nice car the price is much higher than an STI.

RE: Wait
By chrnochime on 9/9/2009 12:17:02 PM , Rating: 1
Wow. Good for you. I'd bet the STI folks are just shaking in their boots after hearing your mighty WRX....

RE: Wait
By MrBlastman on 9/9/2009 3:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
At the time I bought my WRX (2004), you could not buy an American STi in a Station Wagon format, so I had to get the WRX Wagon. Quite honestly I could care less if it is an STi or not. ;)

It is a heck of a lot of fun to drive and I've been extremely successful with the car in autocross. I've routinely beaten S2000's, RX8's and other sleek looking cars with my "grocery getter."

As long as I get a big smile on my face when I drive my car, I'm happy. Who cares what other people think?

RE: Wait
By The0ne on 9/9/2009 4:22:18 PM , Rating: 3
Rally fan here. You could probably just toss them a rally video race and they'll think otherwise. All this straight line competition is nice but I much prefer to go cruise around the mountains, countryside, OPEN highways, etc. and enjoy the ride. Yea, other cars can do it too but they're just not as good or enjoyable at it :D

As cheap as my EVO X and 1998 Impreza are in material quality, the ride is nothing to scoff at when you love driving.

But to stay on topic, if I wanted to spend the same amount of money I would have already gotten the GTR. Don't much like the looks of it but it's awesome in every which way you look at it (spec-wise).

RE: Wait
By The0ne on 9/15/2009 6:58:45 PM , Rating: 2
Check this video out. Fans got to enjoy what rally is instead of talking sht about it.

Aren't you the dude that crying in there? Yea, these are you hardcore gamer, rally loving, elite kids. In real world they're nothing but lame wusses. Oh, that car is an STi.

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