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An Apple tablet is reportedly confirmed and set for a launch in Q1 2010. The tablet is pictured here in an artist's rendition, next to an iPhone for perspective.  (Source: Apple Insider)

Apple CEO Steve Jobs is reportedly devoting most of his time trying to perfect the new device and push his engineers to create the best product possible.  (Source: AP)
Can Apple craft a successful tablet device where others have failed?

When it comes to electronics product design, few executives or managers are as demanding or as uncompromising as Apple CEO Steve Jobs.  While others have played arguably more important roles in the technical or artistic direction of the iPod, iPhone, and unibody MacBooks, it has consistently been Mr. Jobs that has pushed his engineers to cut the devices' weight and footprint, all while packing in top functionality.

Many feared that the iPhone would be his final opus, when he departed the company with a failing liver.  However, less than a year later, Mr. Jobs is back in action, and according to the Wall Street Journal, he has one thing on his mind -- the new Apple tablet.

Last October in an earnings call, Mr. Jobs famously remarked, "We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk."

However, that's exactly what Apple is trying to do, in essence.  They're trying to create a luxury-brand netbook with more power and functionality, that's a small step up from traditional netbooks in price -- similar to its business model in the notebook sector that sees it selling ultralight, long-battery life notebooks for a markup.

Reportedly, Mr. Jobs is acting as a ruthless and relentless captain, demanding long hours, efficiency, and secrecy of his employees.  This comes to a shock to many Apple employees who were beginning to enjoy more freedoms while Mr. Jobs was on leave.  States a source at Apple, "People have had to readjust."

In a brief email Mr. Jobs reportedly contradicted these comments, telling the WSJ, "Much of your information is incorrect."

The new device is reportedly very important to Apple.  With iPod sales slowing, Apple is looking for a new hit to recharge its lineup and keep the so-called "halo effect" going.  The tablet market -- sparked by Microsoft a decade ago, but with currently only 1.4 percent PC marketshare -- seems an ideal place to start.

Reportedly Apple has been working on a tablet for almost a decade now, first filing a patent in 2000.  Mr. Jobs reportedly killed the project twice due to disappointing battery life among other things.  Now, with the iPhone's development lighting the way, it appears Apple is finally set to green light the device.  According to the WSJ, Apple may be pressured to release its tablet at $499 or less, due to the plethora of Windows and Linux netbooks priced in the same range.

Apple's tremendous secrecy makes it hard to determine fact from fantasy, but its clear that something is afoot in Cupertino. 



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first things first...
By DarkElfa on 8/25/2009 9:28:30 AM , Rating: 4
To start, If anyone thinks this thing will be 500 bucks or cheaper needs to check into a clinic. Second, Apple doesn't know how to make a PC that they can sell for 500 dollars that wouldn't be a piece of junk, there's a difference, especially seeing as how they charge on average twice what their hardware is actually worth.




RE: first things first...
By orgy08 on 8/25/2009 10:02:41 AM , Rating: 2
considering the retail price for a 32gb ipod touch is $399, I agree that it won't be priced at $500. Your looking at a minimum retail of $599, but I think $699 is more likely its starting price with an higher end model at $799


RE: first things first...
By invidious on 8/25/2009 1:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
So you will be getting a fancy looking Apple netbook for the cost of a fully functional PC laptop? All Mac hating aside, I don't really see what place this could have in industry. I am sure artists will buy it and apple fans will buy it. But I don't see the mainstream buying this.

It's not like the iPhone where everyone needs phone and for a little bit more you can get a multimedia phone. This is an entirely new product that no one has any uses for in their daily lives. I don't see how Apple is going to convince people they need this product, certainly not if it costs $800.

At $800 this is an expensive gadget / status accessory.
At $500-600 it is an artsy alternative to a low end laptop.
At $400-450 it could be a real competator to netbooks.


RE: first things first...
By orgy08 on 8/25/2009 3:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, I won't be buying it, I don't own anything Apple, I'm just pointing out the fact that $500 isn't realistic for Apple


RE: first things first...
By TomZ on 8/25/2009 5:16:04 PM , Rating: 2
I think it is realistic if $500 is the sell price to the customer, when AT&T or some other carrier helps subsidize the cost with a couple hundred bucks, based on the purchaser making a lengthy commitment to an expensive data plan.

Jobs understands how to work the business model, whereas others have failed in the past.


RE: first things first...
By BillyBatson on 8/26/2009 5:56:15 AM , Rating: 2
I am not a fan of apple or apple pc's, or steve jobs for that matter, but I do love my iphone more than anything.

I am 27 and will be coming back to school starting next week and I don't plan on buying a laptop but I have been following this tablet for a while and as long as it is $800 or less I plan to buy one. I wouldn't mind typing notes on this in class seeing as the screen will be large enough all while doing everything my iphone does but better/faster (minus calls).

If it is everything an itouch is and much more than yes a lot of people are going to buy it, even apple haters like me. it has nothing to do with a status symbol or a cool factor or marketing or anything else you might come up with to rebut me. Simply if I could stretch my iphone to be larger AND i can type on it? I would. This tablet does exactly that.


RE: first things first...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 10:01:50 AM , Rating: 2
The worth and quality of a product comes down to the consumers perspective, personally I think the Mac is a Piece of junk because it doesn't allow me to upgrade it as cheaply and as easily as I can do with a Modern PC, and I cannot stand the Operating System.

Yet someone else might find that the Mac is worth every Penny.

I would love a Tablet, but it has to meet several requirements for me which are:

1) Priced at the level of Netbooks. (around the $500 - $700 Australian mark!).

2) Using an x86 Architecture like the Atom.

3) Doesn't use an Intel Decelerator IGP.

4) Easy internal access to upgrade the Ram and Hard Disk drive.

5) Bright, Clear, High Resolution screen.

A company that does that, has a winner in my eyes. :)


RE: first things first...
By Flunk on 8/25/2009 11:06:32 AM , Rating: 3
Good luck with that, with current prices that's pretty much impossible in that price range. 3. means you need to move to at least the Ion platform, killing your price 4. requires a larger chassis than you would really want. 5. kills your price more. Tablets have digitizers, adding more to the price.

Fairly enough a $1000 is really what you'd be looking at for a decent low-cost tablet. I think HP already sells something in this market but it might not be easily upgraded.


RE: first things first...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:13:09 AM , Rating: 2
I never stated specifically that it had to be an Atom+Ion Platform, for all I care I would be happy with an underclocked/undervolted Athlon 64 combined with a 785G chipset with a Radeon 4200 in it. (Also uses less power to!)

Or even go the way of the Via Nano and the S3 Chrome chipset. (Still better than an Intel IGP!)

The issue with the Atom is that you are either stuck with:

1) The relatively expensive ION.

2) The Power sucking Intel Decelerator.

But you get more choice if you go AMD, or Via.


RE: first things first...
By Mitch101 on 8/25/2009 3:55:43 PM , Rating: 1
What parts does a tablet have that a laptop doesnt?

Usually a tablet doesn't have a built in DVD drive or keyboard but includes a touch screen and a webcam.

Now why again are these things priced twice as much as their laptop counter parts?


RE: first things first...
By Chudilo on 8/25/2009 11:17:01 AM , Rating: 2
You forgot the following:
6) Replaceable battery requirement.
7) SD memory port.
8) Bluetooth
9) 801.2n WIFI
10)Capacitive multi-touchscreen with full GUI support (not just moving the mouse pointer around like MS did it
11) Front and back webcams(or one that you could twist.
12)


RE: first things first...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:22:30 AM , Rating: 2
6) Replaceable battery requirement. - Yeah I did forget that!

7) SD memory port. - This doesn't bother me, as long as it has USB.

8) Bluetooth - I don't use any Bluetooth devices.

9) 801.2n WIFI - I would need this though. :)

10)Capacitive multi-touchscreen with full GUI support (not just moving the mouse pointer around like MS did it - Of course. :)

11) Front and back webcams(or one that you could twist. - I'm not a webcam fan, hence this would be an added cost I don't need.


RE: first things first...
By rudy on 8/25/2009 12:03:12 PM , Rating: 3
I dont know if you want a capacitive TC on a tablet then you cant use a stylus, dell has a capacitive tablet and it is not as popular as HP or Lenovos because of this.


RE: first things first...
By Chudilo on 8/25/2009 12:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
The reason they are not popular is because you have to use the stylus to move the cursor around and type and click and so on.
Which renders the touchscreen interface pretty useless.
With an interface similar to the iPhone, this could actually work.
1) If you wanted to click on an on-screen button you would just touch it with your finger. Not move the mouse pointer with your finger and then click.
2) If you wanted to scroll a document you'd Click-and-Drag your finger on the screen, rather then take the stylus and click the scroll buttons around.
3) You can apply the rest of the gestures that apple first implemented in the iPhone.
4) Type with both hands to type. Not touch 1 letter at a time with a stylus.
And so on and so forth.
MS and PC vendors only took the idea half way, because of the lack of interest. The interest wasn't there because they only took it half way. Apple might actually do it right by putting all the missing pieces together all the way through the Hardware and software including OS support because it all comes from the same vendor.


RE: first things first...
By orgy08 on 8/25/2009 12:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
well, typing will still be annoying with only one hand while the other one holds up the tablet. It isn't has small as an iphone, so you cant use just both of your thumbs to type. Only way you can type with both hands has it to put it on a table or your lap while sitting down.


RE: first things first...
By thecoldanddark on 8/25/2009 10:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
Uhh no, have you used a Vista Tablet PC?

1. No you don't. You can set it to a mouse or set it up so that it just clicks, for right click you just hold your finger. On W7 you can double finger tap it.

2. Umm, no again. When scrolling in Vista it uses flick scrolling. In Windows 7 it's inertia based.

3. Windows Vista has basic gesture support fw, back, cp, paste, delete, undo, flick up, flick down, Windows 7 has a few more gestures.

4. In Windows Vista this was a problem, but in Windows 7 it's not an issue.

I own a latitude XT. fyi.


RE: first things first...
By Pirks on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 8/25/2009 11:45:00 AM , Rating: 2
Why are they even in this market? Netbooks are for consumers of information (if what is on the web passes for information at all [note this website]) while Apples have always been for high-end information producers. Of course, iPhones/iTouches are for information consumers. Why hybridize? Apple is answering a question nobody asked.

BTW, when I saw this:
quote:
Reportedly, Mr. Jobs is acting as a ruthless and relentless captain...
I knew this was one of Jason's provacateur pieces.


I swear....
By damianrobertjones on 8/25/2009 11:20:42 AM , Rating: 2
... I will cry if lots and lots of people suddenly think this device is better than sliced bread. Or un-sliced bread. Or bread in general.

I've had two UMPCs, Asus R2h, Samsung Q1 Ultra, 2x M200's, an M750 and loved them all but couldn't really see many people being bothered with them at all.

Each person would say, "Is that a full PC?" when I whipped (cor) out the R2h and I'd reply, "Why yes, doesn't it make my ePendage massive!" Still, they wouldn't dream of buying it.

Just because this has white plastic, a nice clear screen, does not mean that those people should suddenly think, "Wow, why didn't anyone do this before?" but.... it'll probably happen and I'll cry.




RE: I swear....
By damianrobertjones on 8/25/2009 1:02:57 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/archos-9-tablet...

Can we have an Archos Tablet news item?


RE: I swear....
By sapiens74 on 8/25/2009 1:46:25 PM , Rating: 1
we just purchased a Sony UMPC with Vista and just when I thought Vista couldn't disappoint me any more, we installed Windows 7 on it.

Since MS has set such a high bar here /cough cough

Apple will be really hard pressed to top a sluggish, non intuitive OS.

Then again, so many Daily tech users swear their Windows Mobile phones have just as many apps and are easier to use then an Iphone

Seems Apple users aren't the only people drinking Koolaid


RE: I swear....
By Alexstarfire on 8/25/2009 2:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
Are you suggesting that Windows 7 is crap? Because I've never heard that before. Though I've never heard of anyone putting it on a tablet either.


RE: I swear....
By TomZ on 8/25/2009 5:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
I think Windows 7 is pretty good, but lets face it, Microsoft hasn't exactly done much to innovate in the area of touch interfaces. Touch works well on the iPhone because it is a "big button GUI." In other words, they didn't just adopt a computer GUI that works well with a high-DPI mouse (e.g., Windows Mobile).

I'm not saying that I'd like a "big button GUI" on a PC, but on a device like a phone or touchpad device, it's probably okay. Microsoft could have - and should have - realized this long ago. Apple put it out there and it works - pretty obvious after the fact.


RE: I swear....
RE: I swear....
By damianrobertjones on 8/26/2009 3:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
So... you went out and purchased the most expensive UMPC you could find, the Sony, then replaced an admitedly inapropriate OS for a UMPC with a BETA operating system and then complain.

Umm...? Maybe you should have installed XP and fiddles around for awhile to make it better. The Sam Q1 Ultra is fantastic

I actually own a Samsung i900 and it's a great phone, with many, many applications available (Not that I bother). With luck Win mobile 6.5 will improve things a little so you do have a point there, especially with the tiny 'x' to close apps.

Mmmm, Koolaid. Not sure we have that here in the UK.


Cool!
By amanojaku on 8/25/2009 9:28:10 AM , Rating: 4
I hope Apple doesn't f*** it up. I hate bashing Apple; they have awesome designs and make fine products like other PC manufacturers today (I hate to break it to you, but Macs ARE personal computers.)

Apple just has three little problems. Sloppy QA, overpriced hardware compared to identical PC competitors (they're x86 machines, after all,) and a curiously perverse need to f*** everyone, from it's customers to its competitors. There are porn stars less anal than Apple...

That being said, this is yet another slick looking device that I hope inspires friendly, consumer-oriented competition.




RE: Cool!
By 9nails on 8/25/2009 9:59:13 AM , Rating: 5
Apple has a history of not getting things right the first time. Apple products are like Paris Hilton, nice to look at but hard to imagine a long relationship with. Apple needs generations 2 or 3 of any given product before they've corrected the design flaws and have something worthy to offer. But by then, enough people have purchased into the style that the functionality can finally through. I've never seen quality make it in the priority list at Apple. Even back when they used to have SCSI drives in their computers, they were still slow, expensive, flawed devices that cost more than the PC equivalent.

Hell, Apple is sitting on a pile of cash. They have enough room to screw up dozens of product launches before they need to worry about making a quality product. Why would they even care if they get all the features and functionality right the first time?


My hope
By Bender 123 on 8/25/2009 9:31:05 AM , Rating: 5
I hope that Apple actually releases the MacBook Wheel from the Onion News Network.

"I will buy it because its shiny and made by Apple."




RE: My hope
By Captain828 on 8/25/2009 12:51:04 PM , Rating: 3
+1

Been saving up for it big time!!

I heard they'll get some kind of special Limited Edition shiny Apple logo for a couple of them, plus a laser-printed Steve Jobs signature on the iLCD.

Just as a boast, the new IPhone 3GI is INCREDIBLE!! I actually can SEE IT!!!
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_...


Lack of money is the root of all whining
By iphonerulez on 8/25/2009 10:50:54 AM , Rating: 1
It has to be that since of all the many retail businesses, Apple is probably doing better than most and there is still this complaint that Apple is ripping people off with substandard hardware and charging prices that are too high. Too high for who? Too high for people that don't have much money. That's like Kia owners saying Porsche or Mercedes Benz charges too much money for their cars.

In life, you can either afford a product or you can't and what you pay is what you can afford to pay. If you think the product is worth it and you're happy with it, then all is good. Many surveys show that most Apple product buyers are more than satisfied with what they're getting and customer support is above average and I think that is included in the cost of their products.

I'm sure most of the people that buy Apple products understands or really doesn't care that when Apple says it can't build a product for under $500 that wouldn't be a piece of junk, they should realize that Apple means it can't build it and also make high profits from it. That should be a given for any successful business. Cheap, profitless netbooks are practically killing the Windows PC business, but most people seem to be too stupid to see that. Failing companies are of no use to anyone. Selling the cheapest piece of crap on the market is not necessarily the best way to go.

I often wonder if any of you critics ever tried to run a business. Selling products below cost will not keep you in business for any length of time.




By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:19:34 AM , Rating: 3
Let me fix this for you...

quote:
That's like Kia owners saying Porsche or Mercedes Benz with a Kia motor charges too much money for their cars.


Lets face it, it uses the same internals as a PC hence the "Kia Motor" reference.

quote:
I often wonder if any of you critics ever tried to run a business. Selling products below cost will not keep you in business for any length of time.


That depends, Microsoft and Sony used to sell there consoles at a loss, however due to there market strategy, they made up that profit from Accessories/Fees/Games, and they have been going fine for years. :)


RE: Lack of money is the root of all whining
By Captain828 on 8/25/2009 12:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement regarding HQ stuff.
Unfortunately, when you buy a Mercedes or Porsche, you get what you pay for: HQ leather, great protection, comfort and luxury.

The issue with most of Apple's stuff (not all though) is that you don't get what you're paying for... and to top it off, they even trick the less savvy consumers with marketing schemes.

I like quality stuff, but I doubt I'll ever buy a Mac, mostly because of incompatibility with most of the apps I use and especially games.

What I really don't understand is why people see Macs as the ideal tool for creations... whatever a pro uses, be it Visual Studio, Maya, 3DS Max, Premiere, Vegas, Photoshop, After Effects or Autocad, it works either the same on a PC as on a Mac or actually performs better on a PC.
Hence I don't see much sense in buying a $3000 Mac when you can do the same, even use higher quality stuff, with $2000 for a built-by-order PC.


By Broman on 8/25/2009 2:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
Your a man after my own <3 Captain828.

I very much agree with you. I have no feelings of disdain toward the company Apple. I do have trouble siding with those who love their products just because life seems better if the almighty white apple graces the aluminum. I've only purchased two types of devices from Apple: the iPod (my 40gig from 2004 is still rockin') and the iPhone 3G. I did this after much research, trials with different devices, and friends who purchased iPods and other mp3 audio output devices at the time. I was a Blackberry/Motorola guy for a very long time until I decided to give the iPhone a try last year.

I made these decisions because I feel [Apple] hit the nail on the head with these devices. Mp3 navigation was simple and effective on the iPod and one screen to rule them all on a phone seemed perfect for me (every now and then a key would stick on a Blackberry, and don't get me started on phones that slide to reveal a keyboard). So Apple scored a win in my book with these two devices. But slap an Intel server board in with a few Xeons and I don't see something that I can't achieve with my own builds. I do a lot of the big name editing as well, for a big company, in southern California, using many programs that are supposed to be phenomenal on Apple computers (only exception is for any music editing in Pro Tools, then I just use my friends rig). I may be one of the only PC users in my field, but my paycheck says it's OK.

For the matter at hand, something like this would seem like a cool idea. I've wanted something small so I can sit in front of the TV and watch a few friends play video games while screwing around on the net. A netbook seems like a good choice, but if I could essentially have a giant iPod touch without any folding parts then I could see myself adding a third to my Apple lineup.


another view of mac vs. pc
By chemist1 on 8/26/2009 12:10:03 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps I should hesitate to wade into this controversy, but:

I've owned both Macs and PCs. And I acknowledge that, for the same hardware internals (processor, HD, RAM, etc.), Macs *usually* cost more. But:

First, this is not always the case. I just priced out comparable dual-processor xeon workstations on the Apple and Dell websites. Both had dual 2.66 GHz quad-core xeon processors, 6 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB 7200 RPM HD, CD/DVD RW optical drive (18X for Mac, 16 X for Dell), and a graphics card (512 MB NVIDIA GeForce GT120 for Mac, 256MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 for Dell). If anything, the Mac is spec'd a bit nicer (couldn't configure with identical video cards or optical drives). Plus its case is, I think significantly nicer than that on the Dell (T7500). Yet, including current discounts, the Dell is $5492, while the Mac, at $4799, is significantly less. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

Second, and this is where I get frustrated reading some of these posts, comparing computers based only on specs (processor speed, RAM, etc.) is like comparing cars based only on specs (0-60 time, skidpad g-values, etc.). It's far too simplistic. There's more to it than that. What's important, ultimately, is the user experience -- how readily, and how pleasantly, can you complete your desired tasks with your computer? Going back to my car analogy, you may be able to get a Ford Taurus with a big engine and fat tires to turn in better 0-60 times and skidpad specs than a Lexus, but that doesn't necessarily make it a better car.

Likewise, comparing my Macbook Pro to my friend's (much less expensive) HP laptop, mine has a nicer keyboard, a better touchpad, and (this is critical) a much nicer display, which makes it less fatiguing to use. It's also thinner and lighter, with a higher-quality case. So if you want to compare hardware, you really need to compare all the hardware. Once that's done, the price disparity (retail cost vs. parts cost) is not as great. And I've left the most important bit for last: the operating system. Having used both OSX and Windows, I find OSX is far better designed. So, in summary, when I pay extra money for, say, a Mac laptop over a PC one, I'm not blindly/foolishly/superficially paying extra just for an apple logo. I'm paying for better hardware and, most importantly, for an operating system that I find wastes less of my time (security issues, anti-virus software, downtime), and one on which I find it easier to be productive. I.e., I'm paying more money for a premium product.

Now, does that mean my MacBook Pro is a better *value* than my friend's HP? No, my friend's $500 HP is probably a better *value*, simply because it's almost always the case that, when one purchases a higher quality/premium product, the cost:benefit ratio decreases; i.e., we have the the law of diminishing returns. In the same way, a Lexus is not as good a value as a Ford Taurus (sorry, I'm assuming they still make these...). But this does not mean that the decision to purchase a Lexus is not a rational one. Man does not live by bread alone -- we should purchase that which we can afford and best enhances our lives (unless we want to be ascetics).

And am I arguing that a Mac is *universally* a better product (i.e., better for everyone)? No. Let's go back to the car analogy. For some people, who use cars in unique ways, raw performance like 0-60 times and other specs are the most important attributes. Likewise, there are some computer users for whom raw performance is most important (gamers, and builders of computer clusters, for instance). For such users, a non-Mac system is likely the better choice. And, of course, there are also individuals who prefer Windows to OSX.

Rather, my point is that I'd like to see people think things through before they post, and not blindly evaluate the Mac -- or any computer-- based on raw performance only, when raw performance (while important) is merely a subset of the universe of characteristics that make a computer useful, useable, and enjoyable.




RE: another view of mac vs. pc
By Alexstarfire on 8/26/2009 5:33:32 AM , Rating: 2
You're not arguing hardware though, you're arguing software which of course is going to vary. Hardware will simply never vary. It's either going to good for someone or not, mouse and keyboard aside. Is there a difference between Apple's Intel CPUs and Dell's? No. Only real difference these days is the OS. You like Mac OSX better, fine. I don't. I hate that it's quite complicate to do tasks that are quite basic for Windows.


RE: another view of mac vs. pc
By Captain828 on 8/26/2009 7:49:03 AM , Rating: 2
While I have to agree about the workstation part, the whole debacle of PC vs. Mac stands from the fact that you can build a PC with higher-quality components and get more performance than buying a Mac.

And by higher-quality components I mean:
- the case; a Lian-Li or Antec P series case
- high-end low-noise performance fans (like Noctuas)
- a custom low-noise CPU fan
- higher quality Mobo full of features; most high-end mobos have them
- better RAM; lower latencies, higher speed
- a GPU with a custom low-noise cooler
- a highly reliable PSU that would also make upgrading easy
- whatever reliable HDD (or SDD) you wish

Oh, and OS-X can be hacked on any PC...

Regarding notebooks, I have to agree that Apple does make better Notebooks, quality wise, yet there is always competition. Also, sometimes, the high difference between the performance of a Macbook and a much less expensive Notebook, just makes people choose the higher performing Notebook.


RE: another view of mac vs. pc
By chemist1 on 8/26/2009 7:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I essentially agree with what you've said, though I suspect to get a case of the same quality as that on the Mac Pro you'd need something like a Lian Li PC80, which is $600 on newegg; and (while I've never seen the Lian in person), I suspect even that might not be up to the quality of the Mac Pro case--the thing's an impressive piece of industrial design, inside and out, and is far nicer than the Antec case I used to build my PC. Also, like you, I am a fan of quiet computers--when I built my last PC I used parts recommended by silentpcreview.com--and I was thus pleased to find that my G5 (an older version of the Mac Pro) was exceptionally quiet. I later learned this was because Apple designed the internal airflows to minimize noise; so the case isn't merely made with nice materials and precision construction--there's a lot of sophistication to the internal design.

Nevertheless, except perhaps for workstations, you can typically get more internal hardware performance for less money with a PC, and you certainly have more upgrade-ability, and of course far broader hardware choices (esp. when it comes to graphics cards). But--and I think you understand what I'm saying--I evaluate computers not as hardware only, but as hardware+OS; and while based on hardware alone PCs can be better values, based on hardware+OS the equation changes.

And yes, it is possible to build a Hackintosh. But, if you value your time, those are expensive in their own way.


not a piece of junk?
By raabscuttle on 8/25/2009 12:15:35 PM , Rating: 2
Highly doubtful that Apple or anyone can make a $499 tablet that is not a piece of junk. They can make a "tablet like device" but not a true tablet (think iPhone or iPod with a really big screen).




RE: not a piece of junk?
By Captain828 on 8/25/2009 12:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
I actually find most netbooks, if not all, a piece of junk.

IMHO, they could hit a goldmine if they manage to get something better than a netbook, yet be faster and of higher quality while still being cheap... but then again "cheap" is not a word known to Apple.


Jason Mick...
By encryptkeeper on 8/25/2009 10:56:01 AM , Rating: 1
Is it your duty at DailyTech to report any news that has to do with Apple? I see your name on other articles, but for the life of me, I can never find an article about an iPod, or a Mac or OSX that doesn't have your seal on it. Just wondering...




RE: Jason Mick...
By Captain828 on 8/25/2009 12:28:26 PM , Rating: 2
He's getting better though!

Oh, and take a look on his MS news. :)


Apple's next big thing
By lattermanstudio on 8/25/2009 4:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
Be looking for more than 'just a tablet device'. A 'tablet' that docks with your new (version) imac for example. Apple has patents on this and it would make sense to offer a new family of devices to suddenly change the market and set them above the rest.

... also expect more than one 'tablet'.




RE: Apple's next big thing
By Pirks on 8/25/2009 5:36:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
A tablet that docks with your new imac
Nah, that's old, think wider - how about a tablet that docks with your CAR??? Entertainment, music, GPS, nav, maps, apps, whatnot... everything in your hands, pop out the thing from the dock when you leave your car and take it with ya, integrate all sorts of monitor/diagnostic equipment in there that watches your car health/fluids/batteries... man, if Jobs does it properly by integrating it in a car with an exemplary BMW/MB/Lexus this is gonna be !_BIG_! We haven't seen proper standardized car computing platform, same widespread "standard" thing for consumers as iPod for example, and if Jobs makes this happen the way he did it with iPod... holy maholy, I don't wanna be in Ballmer's or TomZ's shoes then :)))


ok...
By Aberforth on 8/25/2009 11:07:35 AM , Rating: 2
A tablet without keyboard will look nice on my wall since I can add multi-touch screen for my notebook screen for $120 bucks (http://www.converttotouch.com) I don't see why I should buy this one? I'd rather buy a faster HP Touchsmart notebook ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbwVvV2U5w )




Its called iProd1,1
By crystal clear on 8/25/2009 11:28:59 AM , Rating: 2
An updated USBConfiguration.plist in the most recent version of iPhone OS 3.1 beta offers compelling evidence that Apple has continued development on an unknown device, referred to as "iProd," that was first discovered in March. A developer alerted us to the appearance of the new device description for iProd1,1 inside the configuration file. As most Apple devices are assigned the "1,1" designation in the first revision, this leads us to believe that there is indeed an unknown product inside of Apple under active development running the iPhone OS.

When the iPhone OS 3.0 SDK beta was first seeded to developers, an entry inside the USBConfiguration.plist indicated that a device


http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/updated-...

also this-

Integrated monitor and docking station

January 3, 2008

A docking station is disclosed. The docking station includes a display and a housing configured to hold the display in a manner that exposes a viewing surface of the display to view. The housing defines a docking area configured to receive a portable computer; The docking area is at least partly obscured by the display when viewed from the viewing surface side of the display at an angle substantially orthogonal to the viewing surface.



http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=P...




The question is
By Randomblame on 8/25/2009 2:46:34 PM , Rating: 2
arm or atom? Either way it's going to be basically useless for anything but light web browsing and ebook reading. Just another status symbol for teenagers and starbucks lovers...

new mac commercial:
"Hi, I'm a mac"
"squash" *pc steps on mac and squishes him
"and I'm a pc"




Right....
By eldardude on 8/25/2009 3:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it has consistently been Mr. Jobs that has pushed his engineers to cut the devices' weight and footprint, all while packing in top functionality.


By threatening to push them off their home balconies.




Keyboard/UI?
By artemicion on 8/25/2009 5:55:13 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty excited about this product actually. Apple gets a lot of criticism (some justified, a ton not), but one thing Apple does consistently do right is usability (though it also gets a lot of criticism for patenting it's UI).

The major problem I had with tablets is usability. Typing is horrendously inefficient when using a tablet (in tablet mode), so I rarely used my tablet as a tablet. My money is on Apple coming up with a solution addressing that very problem.

My idea would be to put a full QUERTY keyboard on the back and sides of the tablet - where your fingers would be if you were holding the tablet with both hands. A small space button could be placed where your thumbs are on the front. You'd have to somehow prevent the keys from being pressed if you put the tablet down - maybe a slide out panel that covers the keys, or a pull-out "stand" like on a keyboard that elevates the tablet at a slight angle so the keys don't get pressed (which could also support the tablet from standing at an angle closer to a traditional monitor).




Crunchpad?
By twhittet on 8/25/2009 6:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
So it's probably too late in the day for anyone to scroll down far enough to see this - but I'm more interested in the Crunchpad by TechCrunch. Apple's tablet will be far too expensive, but an actually cheap tablet COULD change things up. At my work we use 100+ 8" tablets running Windows CE that originally cost $2000 a piece, a rediculous price to pay for remote desktop.




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Does it come with a flak jacket?
By Nobleman00 on 8/25/2009 12:43:32 PM , Rating: 1
OMG the amount of shrapnel coming from that thing is going to behead people! :o

http://theinvective.blogspot.com




Some Macs ain't so bad....
By bissimo on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By ClownPuncher on 8/25/2009 11:19:08 AM , Rating: 4
Shenanigans.


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:25:34 AM , Rating: 4
You also forget that you could build a Workstation that was more powerful than the MacPro at a fraction of the cost, that's the benefit of the PC, you -can- easily upgrade it, customize it, build it to your exact needs and tastes. (Both performance and aesthetics).


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By sapiens74 on 8/25/2009 1:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
and you can add glowing blue lights and play the latest games on it!


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By Pirks on 8/25/2009 2:52:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
glowing blue lights
ewww *pukes*
quote:
play the latest games on it
You can play them on console these days, no more need for an expensive desktop gaming PC. Microsoft makes sure you won't need a gaming PC by not porting their Xbox exclusives to PC (latest Halo, latest GeoW and such) :P


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By Captain828 on 8/25/2009 8:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
Right... so why would you need an expensive High-performance Gaming PC when you could get a shiny Apple MacPro incapable of playing most PC games?

It makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

Besides, a High-performance PC isn't even that expensive: with some $1000 you can make a decent gaming PC that will play you the latest games @ max details and high-res.

Also, in my mind, I don't see many X360 exclusives: Halo, GoW, Fable, Forza Motorsport... and that's pretty much it regarding popular AAA titles. Of these, I personally find only Fable 2 and Forza as must-have games.

Just keep in mind that playing games is one of the many things you can do on a modern PC.


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By Pirks on 8/25/2009 11:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Yes if you have Apple exclusive software such as FCP

The Darkness is the Xbox exclusive PC never gets, it alone makes me willing to switch from PC to console. I'm not even starting about many other exclusives Xbox has, such as upcoming Alan Wake for example. PC gaming is just sad these days, after Crytek went console. *sighs*


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By gus6464 on 8/26/2009 2:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
Ohh really? You should first research stuff before spouting crap. Please go to newegg and try to price the parts for a workstation that has the same specs as the Mac Pro or any other comparable workstation for that matter from HP or Dell. The processors alone are going to cost you 2/3 the price of the system on newegg. I am sorry but when it comes to HPC it is much more cost effective to buy a workstation from Apple, HP, Dell, IBM, etc.


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By chemist1 on 8/26/2009 11:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
You might want to take a look at my post, above (search for "DDR3"), in which I price out comparably-equipped Dell and Mac dual-processor Xeon workstations. The Dell, including applicable discounts, is $700 more, even with a slightly lower-end graphics card, and a significantly cheaper case.


RE: Some Macs ain't so bad....
By zephyrprime on 8/31/2009 1:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, I tried doing that and I can't believe how bad Dell's prices are. They charge $500 for a 1TB SATA hard drive! Ridiculous. You can buy an entire computer with a 1tb hard drive for that much money.


"It's okay. The scenarios aren't that clear. But it's good looking. [Steve Jobs] does good design, and [the iPad] is absolutely a good example of that." -- Bill Gates on the Apple iPad

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