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Nissan gets into the zero emissions game with the 2010 LEAF EV

When it comes to hybrid and electric vehicles, names like Prius, Insight, and Volt manage to grab the bulk of the limelight. The Toyota Prius is the darling of the "green" movement when it comes to fuel efficient vehicles and the Volt hasn't even made it into the hands of the buying public yet -- but it still garners attention from the automotive press (and prospective buyers).

Nissan is now looking to put its name up near the top of the list when it comes to zero emissions vehicles according to Autoblog. The company this weekend announced its new 2010 LEAF EV which melds Nissan/Renault's current design theme with an electric-only vehicle.

As with most next generation electric vehicles, the LEAF uses an advanced lithium-ion battery pack (48 modules, 90kW) and has electric motors which deliver 80kW (107 HP). The combo allows the LEAF to have a driving range of 100 miles and a top speed of 87 mph according to Nissan. By Nissan's estimates, the 100 mile driving range is enough to satisfy the daily commute requirements of 80% of American drivers (Nissan says that the average U.S. driver has a daily commute of less than 62 miles).

When it comes to styling, most would be hard pressed to call the LEAF "another Prius knockoff" which has been a label affixed to the Honda Insight. Instead, the LEAF takes its design direction from a few vehicles already in the Nissan stable including the Murano, Rogue, and Versa -- albeit with more aerodynamic curves and surfaces.

Given that the LEAF is a fully electric vehicle and doesn't have an "extended range" gasoline engine/generator like the Volt, the vehicle will rely heavily on a robust electric charging infrastructure. As a result, Nissan will initially market the vehicle in U.S cities which have taken the initiative to provide charging station for EVs including Phoenix, San Diego, Raleigh, and Seattle.

"Nissan LEAF is a tremendous accomplishment – one in which all Nissan employees can take great pride," said Nissan President and CEO Carlos Ghosn. "We have been working tirelessly to make this day a reality – the unveiling of a real-world car that has zero – not simply reduced – emissions. It's the first step in what is sure to be an exciting journey – for people all over the world, for Nissan and for the industry."

Nissan expects to market the LEAF in the U.S., Europe, and Japan next year. Pricing has not been announced, but Nissan describes the vehicle as "affordable".



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RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By mdogs444 on 8/2/2009 10:42:48 AM , Rating: 0
The linked article states that the battery pack replacement alone is $10,000. Your figures are way off. This is probably $25,000+


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By TemjinGold on 8/2/2009 11:51:44 AM , Rating: 5
Which linked article are you guys referring to? The one I'm talking about has this paragraph (and no mention of battery price):

Nissan has promised that the Leaf, which goes into mass-production as a global model in 2012, will be about the same price as a gas-engine car such as the 1.5 million yen ($15,000) Tiida, which sells abroad as the Versa, starting at about $10,000.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nissan-rolls-out-ele...

Geez try to point something out and people jump all over you for it. If I'm wrong, say I'm wrong in a mature fashion. I know not to ever post here again.


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By MDme on 8/2/2009 12:16:54 PM , Rating: 3
The linked article DOES say that the price will be similar to the 15k Tilda (Versa).

I think he shouldn't have been voted down. :)


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By imaheadcase on 8/2/2009 12:44:58 PM , Rating: 3
$10k is not bad price at all. If you can charge it from home I would get one assuming the following.

1. It wont double my electric bill each month. (I live in Missouri so electric is real cheap my last bill with 80-99degree was less than $100 a month for 1500sq ft house).
2. If weather does not do drastic changes to battery life/performance.
3. If the warranty covers battery going defective within so many years.

I work less than 10min walk away, but sometimes i like to venture to other areas nearby for entertainment.


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By kaoken on 8/2/09, Rating: -1
By aj28 on 8/2/2009 10:37:05 PM , Rating: 3
Can you read?

"Nissan has promised that the Leaf, which goes into mass-production as a global model in 2012, will be about the same price as a gas-engine car such as the 1.5 million yen ($15,000) Tiida, which sells abroad as the Versa, starting at about $10,000."

Using the same words, this reads simply:

"The Leaf will be about the same price as a car such as the $15,000 Tiida, which sells abroad starting at about $10,000."


By Ryun on 8/2/2009 12:41:41 PM , Rating: 4
I hate to play Devil's advocate (okay, sometimes I love it) but you probably should've linked the article in your first post to begin with. This is the internet after all, and people are always looking for chances to call you an idiot.


By mdogs444 on 8/2/2009 12:47:15 PM , Rating: 1
Im referring to this paragraph in the linked article http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/01/2010-nissan-lea...

quote:
While it hasn't committed to anything yet, Nissan officials say they are shooting for similar warranty coverage to that of their more conventional offerings. Those vehicles come standard with three years/36,000 mile coverage, and powertrain coverage of five years/60,000 miles, and it will be interesting to see if Nissan can match those figures for the vehicle, it's electronic motor, and the expensive battery pack (estimated replacement cost: $10,000).


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/2/2009 12:53:14 PM , Rating: 5
Nissan says that the battery pack alone is $10,000. Now add that to the cost of a well equipped Versa (b/c you know that an electric vehicle isn't not going to come stripped) and you're looking at at least $25,000 -- about the price of a fully loaded Mazda3s Hatchback or a nicely loaded VW GTI.

I'm sorry, but even in 2012, it is impossible to deliver a FULLY electric vehicle with a lithium-ion battery pack for $10,000 to $15,000. Hell, an Insight only has a relatively small NiMH battery pack and it STARTS at $19,000.

Just using some common sense debunks the Yahoo Finance article :-)


By joeindian1551 on 8/2/2009 1:22:18 PM , Rating: 3
But common sense takes time and we all know FIRST! is what really matters on the interwebs and in journalism.


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By imaheadcase on 8/2/2009 4:40:26 PM , Rating: 3
Common sense would tell a car maker to develop a car that cost $10k, instead we get car that cost the same as a new model gas car that out performs it in every way.

Fact is, these cars will only cater to the hippy environmental person and the rest would say "FARK PLANET EARTH" and get a gas powered car when it comes down to money.


By Spuke on 8/2/2009 7:05:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and the rest would say "FARK PLANET EARTH" and get a gas powered car when it comes down to money.
People would not say that. Sure, the hippie and the trendy crowds would probably buy one but anyone else would do the math and see if it works for them.


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By GaryJohnson on 8/2/2009 4:46:25 PM , Rating: 2
Another article suggest that you'll buy the car but only lease the battery pack. It sounds like they might have figured out that the batteries, and replacement batteries, is where the revenue stream is.

http://business.theage.com.au/business/nissan-turn...


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By Mint on 8/2/2009 7:33:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've been waiting for a company to figure this out. If people are excessively gawking at the premium that battery packs add, why not take advantage of their mathematical stupidity?

Charge them a little less than gas - e.g $6 per 100 miles - and keep ownership of the battery while removing most of its cost from the sticker price.

Imagine what could happen in Europe for corporate fleets. Electric drivetrains are very simple to maintain, yet right now $20 per 100 miles for maintenance and gas would be a bargain there right now.


By dagamer34 on 8/3/2009 11:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
To be honest, a consumer now owning the battery is a good thing because when it wears out from use, Nissan will be the on replacing it. And 5 years should hopefully make a big difference in advancing battery technology.


By JohnnyCNote on 8/2/2009 2:04:15 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Geez try to point something out and people jump all over you for it. If I'm wrong, say I'm wrong in a mature fashion. I know not to ever post here again.


There was a time when there were all kinds of hardware reviews, discount price guides and a lot of useful information around here. Now the discount articles are ancient history, reviews rarely appear, and you can count on at least on good political flame-bait posting that brings out the same people making the same statements over and over.

My guess is that DT editors have found that when they have a good online argument, it brings more people to the site and drives up their click-through count with Google, making them money.

I often wonder why I bother coming around here any more. There are lots of sites where I can engage in political "discussion" (aka fights) with members that are much better informed. That which made Daily Tech interesting is ancient history. I can't blame you for not wanting to post here any longer . . .


RE: Price known on Yahoo Finance article
By headbox on 8/2/09, Rating: 0
By DJMiggy on 8/3/2009 2:41:16 AM , Rating: 2
what does this have to do with apple? *ducks*


By Starcub on 8/2/2009 3:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The linked article states that the battery pack replacement alone is $10,000.

Given how much of the cost of the car is associated with the battery, you would think they would make this a scalable purchase (the battery already uses modular design). My guess is that far more people daily commute less than 63 miles. Someone who's daily commute was less than 25 miles/day could use a battery pack half as small (or more) and pay $5000 less. For many customers, something like this could mean the difference between buying a Prius and and this car.


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