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GE/Rolls-Royce F136 JSF engine in jeopardy

Purse strings in Washington are tighter than they have been in years meaning funds for some defense projects are harder to get.

The Senate has voted for an amendment to the annual defense authorization bill that could eventually block the proposed second engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: the F136 from General Electric/Rolls-Royce. Aviation Week reports that Congress has earmarked unrequested funds for the F136, but the Senate adopted the amendment on July 23 that would require proof that the F136 engine would cut costs for the program overall. The program currently relies on the F135 engine from Pratt & Whitney.

The amendment was written by Sen. Joseph Lieberman from Connecticut who said, "The Department of Defense has long said that it neither wants nor intends to use an engine other than the one currently produced by Pratt & Whitney."

AviationWeek reports that Lieberman's claims are not entirely accurate. The Pentagon and Air force Leadership have been rejecting calls for the F136 alternative engine, but program leaders for the JSF have stressed that an alternative engine isn’t a bad idea. The bill will have to be amended in the House version if the F136 engine is to continue to be an option. Money for the F136 has been earmarked already in the House's defense appropriations bill.

GE spokesman Rick Kennedy said, "The funding battle over the GE Rolls-Royce F136 fighter engine for the JSF is far from over. The argument for an engine competition for the JSF, the largest fighter program in US history, is simply too compelling."

President Obama has threatened to veto a bill that comes to him promoting a second engine with a chance of disrupting the program. The Senate has already voted against more funds for the F-22 Raptor program.



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RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Atheist Icon on 7/27/2009 2:42:44 PM , Rating: 5
When you are protecting Britan, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabi, and Kuwait, it's really not that hard to spend a lot of money on defense.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrBlastman on 7/27/2009 3:58:21 PM , Rating: 5
What I find hilarious is that for all of this spending and protection that we provide, we hardly are ever appreciated for it.

The Military is a thankless job. :-| I'll just use this posting space to say: "Thank you!" to all our brave men and women. I thanked a guy in the airport the other day coming home from Iraq. They need to hear it.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By ImEmmittSmith on 7/27/2009 4:28:41 PM , Rating: 1
+1 if I could! Right on the money. America has always been willing to die for other countries just so they can be or remain free of tyranny or oppression. America does more good than the media gives us credit for. Just talk to any soldier that has come back from IRAQ who has been around civilians. The people really like what we are doing and have done for them, but the power mongers want us out!


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 8:54:40 AM , Rating: 2
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America has always been willing to die for other countries just so they can be or remain free of tyranny or oppression.


Just like in 1953 when Britain and the USA organised a military coup to overthrow the democraticly elected Iranian government in favour of military style dictatorship responsible for numerous atrocious human rights violations?

Your claim is laughable given even a small amount of historical reading. I feel sorry for the troops being used as pawns in a big game of chess.

You think the USA acts benevolent like you say because you believe the rubbish the politicians cite as the reasoning for their military intervention.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Atheist Icon on 7/27/2009 6:54:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The Military is a thankless job. :-| I'll just use this posting space to say: "Thank you!" to all our brave men and women. I thanked a guy in the airport the other day coming home from Iraq. They need to hear it.


How true, I thank my wife everyday I talk to her while she is in Afghanistan and while I was in Baltimore, I individually shook every service members hand before I left to come back to San Antonio. It seems like a small gesture, but it is the greatest when you are recognized.

I am prior USAF, disabled Vet, someone just saying thanks caused a tear to come to my eye.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 8:47:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I find hilarious is that for all of this spending and protection that we provide, we hardly are ever appreciated for it.


Yeah, because you would appreciate a European military the size of your own installed all through your states wouldn't you.

Who the hell asked you for your help anyways? this isn't WW2 anymore.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By maxcue on 7/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Lord 666 on 7/27/09, Rating: 0
RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Atheist Icon on 7/27/2009 6:47:33 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot about Australia and us bailing them out in WWII.

I thought Canada was part of the US, isn't it the 51st state?


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By glennc on 7/28/2009 2:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
you need us just as much as we need you. you guys need all the political support from other countries you can get because of the media. 2 way street. you are not protecting us because you are just a bunch of nice guys, it has advantages.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Gladius777 on 7/27/2009 9:02:25 PM , Rating: 3
We would defend our selves if the Aus government didn't take away most of our guns....Anyway its in the US's interest to defend us so we don't become a big commie or terrorist base. We can be yours instead!
We have the same problem with left leaning governments as you folks do..."No, no." the lefties say, the Islamic extremists won't try to hurt us, if we just put down our weapons, they won't bring on another 911 or Bali bombing etc......Gullible fools!

- yes we can bark like dogs too ;)


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Harinezumi on 7/27/2009 7:32:33 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe it's about time we let those countries' taxpayers foot the full bill for their defense?


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 8:59:37 AM , Rating: 2
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Maybe it's about time we let those countries' taxpayers foot the full bill for their defense?


We already do thanks, we have our own military, any additional help form US forces is not required. Appreciated I guess but not required. Don't act like we'd all fall apart if you weren't around because we wouldn't.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By lagomorpha on 7/27/2009 11:26:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
When you are protecting Britan, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabi, and Kuwait, it's really not that hard to spend a lot of money on defense.


Which is kind of sad considering France, Britain, Japan, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, and Poland have the 3rd-7th, 10th, 12th, 15th, and 20th highest military budgets respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and...


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By Atheist Icon on 7/27/2009 11:34:16 PM , Rating: 3
The really sad thing is that the all of Europe spends less then half of what we spend of what we do, so they can lean on us whenever they need to.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 9:04:00 AM , Rating: 2
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The really sad thing is that the all of Europe spends less then half of what we spend of what we do, so they can lean on us whenever they need to.


The only military force that's been leaning on any other for help recently is the USA trying to get us to go help with your illegal war in Iraq.

When was the last time a European country (out of the aforementioned list) found itself under threat and asked the USA to come help out because it couldn't handle the military logistics by itself?

We spend half as much money (probably less) on military as you because we don't go around invading countries to maintain our economic prowess.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By jadeskye on 7/28/2009 12:13:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
When you are protecting Britan, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabi, and Kuwait, it's really not that hard to spend a lot of money on defense.


Excuse me sir but i believe you are mistaken. The combined military force of Europe is more then capable of defending itself. I cannot speak for saudi arabia and japan for it's outside my military knowledge and i think you'll find theres more then one country occupying and protecting kuwait, among other regions of the middle east.

Don't be so quick to assume that the united states is the only country with defensive capabilities.

Not to mention the only reason that news stories like this reach the ears and eyes is because the american media is the most sensationalist in the world by far.


RE: What's that sound I hear?
By MrPoletski on 8/6/2009 8:45:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
When you are protecting Britan, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabi, and Kuwait, it's really not that hard to spend a lot of money on defense.


*AHEM* (cough)

We don't need your 'protection'.


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