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We would have gotten away with blocking out syncing if it wasn't for those meddling OS updates!

Early last week Apple rolled out iTunes 8.2.1, a sneaky little update with a hidden agenda -- to kill the Palm Pre's syncing with Apple's iTunes software.  As the owner of the majority of the MP3 player market, Apple's iPods can only officially sync with iTunes.  This means that most users, for better or worse, use iTunes and have all their music preloaded into it.  Thus it was an attractive feature for the Pre automatically sync with iTunes, with no messy importing or folder-searching necessary.

Apple managed to block that feature for a bit, but not for long.  Palm has now released webOS 1.1.0, an update to the Palm Pre's operating system.  The update does many nice things; among them it unblocks iTunes and restores syncing.  Palm innocently describes the one-up stating that the update "resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (8.2.1)."

Other improvements include proper deletion of emails via push, smoother list scrolling, new drop-down animations, corrected folders within IMAP Gmail accounts, and faster application load times.  The other big improvements are the addition of emoticons and Microsoft Exchange.  Palm also has released its 31st application for the phone -- NFL Mobile Live for watching games and audio from the device.

It seems a natural question to ask how long it will take before Apple releases iTunes 8.2.2 and tries to lock out the Pre once more.  However, as the latest update goes to show for all the embarrassment that its anticompetitive tactics bring, locking the Pre out of iTunes may be a losing battle.



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RE: Lawsuit time
By tayhimself on 7/24/2009 11:38:03 AM , Rating: -1
Apple provides an API for correctly syncing with itunes. This is how the blackberry can do it. Palm was doing illegitimate things like masquerading as an ipod. Since Apple provides a sync API the Pre should be fine?


RE: Lawsuit time
By MozeeToby on 7/24/2009 12:09:26 PM , Rating: 5
I don't know about you, but if I were a phone developer and I had two choices:

1) Write an app that parses an XML library and sends that information to my phone and requires the user to install the app on their PC in order to work.

2) Change the product ID that the phone looks like an iPod, saving me time and effort and more importantly removing the requirement for the user to install additional software.

Personally, I would choose #2. It certainly isn't illegal to change the product ID broad casted over USB. You might be able to argue that it is unethical, but I would counter that with the argument that it is more unethical for Apple to lock competing products out if that functionality. This is exactly the kind of behavior that Microsoft got in trouble for a good decade ago, having features that only MS products could access.


RE: Lawsuit time
By TomZ on 7/24/09, Rating: 0
RE: Lawsuit time
By rudolphna on 7/25/2009 8:30:13 AM , Rating: 3
If you ask me, 90% of the population is so stupid when it comes to computers asking them to install a program to use their phone would either...

A. Stump them completely

B. Cause them to completely screw up their computer.

C. Make them so frustrated they vow to never buy that companies products again

D. An extention, tell all his/her friends/family how awful the product is and how annoying it is to lose, thus costing said company revenue.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to sync my Samsung Eternity cell phone with itunes or something. Everything would be much easier. Instead of having burn all my songs I want to CD with itunes, and then re-ripping them with Windows Media Player as MP3. Since it can't play protected AAC files. Oh while I'm thinking about it- Apple should allow all users to (for free) convert all their old purchased songs that still have DRM crap on them to no-DRM versions.


RE: Lawsuit time
By rudolphna on 7/25/2009 8:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
If you ask me, 90% of the population is so stupid when it comes to computers asking them to install a program to use their phone would either...

A. Stump them completely

B. Cause them to completely screw up their computer.

C. Make them so frustrated they vow to never buy that companies products again

D. An extention, tell all his/her friends/family how awful the product is and how annoying it is to lose, thus costing said company revenue.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to sync my Samsung Eternity cell phone with itunes or something. Everything would be much easier. Instead of having burn all my songs I want to CD with itunes, and then re-ripping them with Windows Media Player as MP3. Since it can't play protected AAC files. Oh while I'm thinking about it- Apple should allow all users to (for free) convert all their old purchased songs that still have DRM crap on them to no-DRM versions.


RE: Lawsuit time
By ltcommanderdata on 7/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: Lawsuit time
By T2k on 7/24/2009 2:41:19 PM , Rating: 4
So if you weren't too lazy to do even just a basic search on the subject before you post your false claims you'd know that

1. IOUSBDevice# != USB MSC identification

therefore

2. obviously Pal is NOT using Apple's ID which, apparently evident for everybody except you in first place, would have been a suicidal move.

Read on: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/palm-p...


RE: Lawsuit time
By ltcommanderdata on 7/24/2009 3:27:31 PM , Rating: 2
http://nanocr.eu/2009/06/04/palm-pre-usb-hack-conf...

quote:
However, it’s only the Mass Storage interface that identifies itself as an iPod. The root USB node (IOUSBDevice) still identifies the device as a Palm Pre (not visible in the image above).


So which spoofing is allowed? Because if I'm reading this properly, Palm is spoofing the USB MSC ID while the root IOUSBDevice is still reading as Palm.


RE: Lawsuit time
By Lonyo on 7/25/2009 2:22:41 AM , Rating: 1
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10294633-1.htm...

quote:
Palm believes that openness and interoperability offer better experiences for users by allowing them the freedom to use the content they own without interference across devices and services, so on behalf of consumers, we have notified the USB Implementers Forum of what we believe is improper use of the Vendor ID number by another member.


Palm have already gone to the USB Implementers Forum about this. If they were the ones messing about with ID numbers, you can be fairly sure they wouldn't be trying to make an issue out of this. They are claiming Apple are being dodgy, which implies they are not going to be in any way at fault, or they are incredibly stupid.


RE: Lawsuit time
By robinthakur on 7/27/2009 7:47:02 AM , Rating: 2
Not really, I think its more unethical of Palm to sell the Pre making a big deal about how it can sync with iTunes when they are using this dodgy exploit to do it, not even using the API. Ultimately with this whole cat and mouse patching game it will make the ability to sync with iTunes without hassle impossible unless you've updated to the latest firmware etc which a lot of non-technical users don't do. i.e. pretty much the functionality of a jailbroken iPhone!

I actually don't think this is the same issue that MS cvame up against in their anti-trust suit. iTunes has never been proposed as a standard, in the same way Windows has it just happens that iPod + iTunes is the most popular mp3 store/music management/mp3 players out there. There is other competition you know, from Amazon et al. Why dont Palm just create their own syncing store/program app liking to Amazon and do things properly rather than hack it to work?


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