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According to reports the new iPhone 3G S's are overheating enough to discolor the plastic from white to pink or brown. The iPod Touches and iPhone 3G's are also suffering lesser heat issues, indicating firmware may be partially responsible. Apple has released no official word on the widespread reports.  (Source: Le Journal du Geek)
Apple's iPhone 3G S takes the heat

Apple boldly advertises the slogan "It just works", but Apple has its share of issues just like any other tech company.  Among the recent problems included Mac display issues (which have been ongoing for over a year) and iPhone signal issues (also a year old problem).

Now another familiar problem has been reported.  Apple's hot new iPhone is not just getting hot figuratively, it's getting hot literally.  Reports of Apple's handsets turning toasty and colorizing from white to a toasty brown or rosy pink have been widely reported.

Reportedly, the phones are more likely to overheat when playing games or using the GPS.  The iPhone 3G S packs a much faster CPU and graphics processor than its predecessor, a likely source of the heating issues.  However, Apple thus far has denied the reports and refused to comment that there is a problem with the handsets.

Melissa J. Perenson of PC World is among those whose iPhone 3G S is overheating.  She writes, "And at some point, I became aware the handset had become very hot. Very, very hot — not just on the back, but the entire length of the front face, too. I was using a game, and then later the Web browser for reading the news about Michael Jackson, all over a Wi-Fi connection while plugged in. And in those circumstances, well…toasty doesn’t even describe how surprisingly hot it got. It was too hot to even put the phone against my face. No discoloration to report, though; I have the black handset, and didn’t see any effects."

OS power management also may be to blame.  Reportedly, iPhones and iPod touches upgraded to the new OS v3.0 have also been heating up.  Writes Wired.com's Charlie Sorrel, "To add to the confusion, I have noticed my 2G iPod Touch getting a lot hotter than usual since updating to the v3.0 software. This happens while web browsing, and the battery is draining fast, too. I have no idea if this is related, but if it is it could point at some bad power-management software in OS 3.0."

Ultimately, it may be a combination of hardware and firmware power management that's causing the new iPhone to overload.



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RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 2:57:31 AM , Rating: -1
0 rating from a bunch of zealots is a blessing in disguise :P

all your whining does nothing to growing Apple market share, you can suck MS dick all you want but people will still buy quality Apple stuff no matter what you zealots preach here, just like they buy Lexus and other premium things, all while you poor souls keep crying about your puny little welfare checks hahahaha :)))


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 4:11:03 AM , Rating: 2
first of all their market share is not growing as fast as you make it appear.
second, they get new users because of the clever ads but it does not prove loyalty. wait 3 years and see if win 7 will take a bit out of them.
third, i am not taking any welfare checks, i am rather comfortable. on the other hand, those who do take them usually own a mac (ie artistes)
4th, it has been proven many times that the quality of a mac is not even close to the quality of a lexus. you have obviously never been in a luxury car, i on the other hand have spend plenty of time in one and keep spending plenty of time in one. the major difference is the luxury and that things do work. in my mac there is no luxury, the sharp edges are eating my wrists as i type, the keyboard feels cheap, the OSX is an ugly piece of junk and it seems to lack any type of security.

you on the other hand, being a grease monkey who does not even own one have no right to defend them in any way. as a matter of fact if anyone is doing any sucking that would be you since you are a zealot without even owning one. i am using all 3 of the major operating systems currently and OSX is by far the worst. you stick to your gaming alienware and enjoy the 0 you get here. i assume they remind you of your marks in schools since you ended up a retarded grease monkey who does not even understand why a firewall should be enabled and autologin should be off.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 5:28:47 AM , Rating: 1
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all your whining does nothing to growing Apple market share, you can suck MS dick all you want but people will still buy quality Apple stuff no matter what you zealots preach here

Seriously, Pirks. He owns one of the damn things. He holds much more credibility on the subject than you ever will.

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all while you poor souls keep crying about your puny little welfare checks hahahaha :)))

More like crying after spending an exorbitant amount on something that turns out to be a complete let down. I owned a Mac computer for 6 months before getting rid of it. After about a month it was left, hardly ever switched on, just gathering dust. The most expensive ornament I've ever bought.

Why is it that all the time someone has a negative comment about an Apple product you go on about them being on welfare? Do you think you're the only one who has a job, or money? You're on a tech site, the likelihood is that many people here are in well paid tech-related jobs. The vast majority of people here have more sense than to waste their money on something which will gain them nothing as far as productivity is concerned.

It's no wonder you are a regular receiver of 0's and -1's. Even when the truth is laid in front of you, you still try to defy it. You have no evidence that counteracts the OP's argument, well at least none of your own. You think you're trying to balance arguments which you believe to be biased against Apple, but to everyone else, you're nothing but a moronic troll. Though strangely enough, I find you quite entertaining.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/09, Rating: -1
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 7:18:17 AM , Rating: 3
i gave you plenty of reason why out of the box the firewall should be enabled should i list again?
here are a few basic reasons why the firewall needs to be enabled:
1) because ports will eventually open as the user installs programs and activates services
2) because the firewall is also meant to prevent unauthorised traffic going out instead of just coming in
3) because in a public place you do not want your system to be discovered by other machines even if all ports are closed (which are not)
4) because the average mac idiot like yourself has no clue about security so it is best to prevent than to cure

i will not even discuss the autologin because honestly it is a joke in terms of security on a portable system.

now, will you explain why my mac pro got too hot to touch underneath and extremely uncomfortable to type on while installing windows 7? surely if they are the lexus of computers they would have adequate cooling and you were saying macs never overheat but my experience proved otherwise.
also, please explain why the edges of the body are so sharp that they leave dents on my wrists when i type? what happened to comfort? if i splash all this cash to get a lexus i expect leather seats without razor sharp edges.
will you explain to me why i cannot customise the interface on the so called "most advanced OS in the world"?
why don't i have sound themes to select from apart from a single sound for warning dialogs?
why are they forcing the user to do firmware flash for a simple driver update?
why has safari crashed more times than IE has crashed in a whole month?
why is the sound muffled and why do the speakers rattle and buzz?
why is the camera quality just as bad as my 3 year old acer?

respond to these questions one by one, i would love to see your reasoning behind those obvious faults to a machine that you want to call the lexus of computers. i have been in a lexus, bentley, jaguar, bmw and mercedes and believe me the mac shares none of their qualities. if you fail to respond to these you have no right to talk about macs ever again and it becomes obvious that you are just a blind iSucker.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/09, Rating: 0
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
this is a a real testament to your idiocy for all to see. yea it is the code that made it overheat and all the ports are closed although my port scanners say otherwise.
closed ports do not receive emails or html you fuckwit, just to name a couple.
the code does not make a machine overheat. if i run encoding the CPU still hits 100% and it overheats. do you blame Microsoft for that too?
windows firewalls block both ways traffic which is why it asks every time something tries to transmit. you are so clueless you are basically humiliating yourself. i don't even have to break a sweat.
discovery means nothing if you do not have open ports eh? ever heard of attacks on the network? ping of death and other variants? obviously those concepts are new to you and to apple.
the comments you made about colour and sound are an absolute joke. the datsun at least lets me change colour and sound so i can really personalise my own computer. i demand the same from the most advance os in the world.
the edges are sharp, get yourself the june 09 macbook pro and come argue again.

not only are you clueless to what a driver update is, you have also no idea what EFI is. learn about those two and you will be able to have another go at answering my firmware flash question.
so you had a faulty gateway, big deal. gateway was not on the news every other day for problems they have but apple is. go fix your laptop and do not blame an entire brand for a single faulty machine. my machine on the other hand is not faulty.

yes the battery is good which is the only thing i have not complained about but it is hardly worth its weight in gold. why can't i select the cpu power state for myself like i can do with windows? i want to be able to select between performance or battery life. where are the features i got for my money?

i am glad you mentioned the touchpad because it sucks big time on the mac. the gestures are a pain in the ass to do and most of the time they do not work. dragging and dropping using a double tap is a nightmare because even with drag lock disabled, the bloody thing locks the item for about 1 sec after you release it. it forces you to waste time waiting for the cursor to release the window or scroll bar after you drag it and that second feels like eternity and slows me down.
why does the keyboard feel so cheap? the key response sucks big time.
you did not answer why the webcam is shit. i thought they are universally superior.
why does the backspace take so long to delete multiple characters?
why did OSX give full access to the entire disk to windows when i tried smb account sharing? any security conscious OS would give access to the user's home folder not the entire disk. out of the box, it is set up for disaster, especially for those who have no idea what they are doing.

pwnd again, asswipe.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:33:20 PM , Rating: 1
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closed ports do not receive emails or html you fuckwit
ah, so you don't know what the server ports are, the ones listening for connection. okay, fine, I'll talk to you when you grow up and learn a bit more about TCP/IP. how can I discuss things with a clown who does not know the basics :)))
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windows firewalls block both ways traffic which is why it asks every time something tries to transmit
pretty funny lie here, hehehe :))) yeah, like my firewall is asking me every time I go check my email hahahaaa, what a clown! :)))
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ping of death and other variants?
wow! there are ping of death attacks on OS X? hahahaaa :)))) totally lullzz :))) show me one :))) gimme a link or something. nah, you won't, you only bark but don't bite :)
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i want to be able to select between performance or battery life
woohoo I wanna be able to control my transmission manually in my Lexus, why the heck you sold me this automatic piece o shit??? :))) hahaaaa, cool stuff. now I wonder why you wasted so much money on such a horrible Lexus that does not allow you to customize your datsun colors? you should have stayed in the cheapo car world if you don't like expensive machines. I told ya Apple computers are not for everyone, there are a few fanatics like you who are not in its market segment. this explains all your trouble with yoru Mac. got it this time, idiot?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
i am running a so called "pro' laptop you idiot, i can run services on it when i see fit. stop arguing about the firewall because you are clueless. ports open and close all the time and the OSX out of the box has open ports. DEAL WITH IT. you are the one who cannot grasp the basics.

Firewalls have whitelists you moron and that is why it does not bother you all the time for known ports and services that you have allowed or were allowed automatically. on the other hand with OSX, if i get any kind of malware that will open up a port and send out my info, i will have no clue about it because the firewall is disabled by default. where is the security in that? I am the one who has no clue about TCP? news flash for you wanker, I am doing my PhD in an alternative protocol to TCP, you got a long way to go before you know half as I know about TCP.

ping of death was merely an example. I will let you know more when i get the time to have a go at it with a couple of packet forgers and fuzzers. In the mean time stfu because you are humiliating yourself as usual.

yes, my lexus allows me to control it manually if i want to, so does the jaguar. in the mean time it would be good if you tried to overcome the car analogy for every situation thrown at you because it does not fit.

hang on a sec, did you admit that macs are for mindless morons that do not know better and fall for what is advertised? seems to me like you did. see, i told you, slowly you will be admitting apple sucks. at least microsoft is not pretentious and the functionality they offer is much vaster than what OSX offers. maybe OSX is not for me, maybe i am used to linux and windows but can you explain to me how it makes sense to design a pro machine that has inadequate cooling and gets too hot to touch when i run the CPU at 100%? perhaps apple does not design the mbp to be run like a pro machine but rather as a cool thing to look at and let gather dust?
can you explain to me why the lexus has sharp edges and it cuts my wrists as i type? do you want proof pics or do you at least have the decency to believe what i am testifying?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 5:35:06 PM , Rating: 2
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because honestly you're dumb beyong repair :) I have autologin on all of my Vista notebooks, and I can turn it off or on any time I want, same as with OS X. you keep crying dumbo :)) it's soo funny :)))

If you set a password on Vista it will not automatically log you in when you switch the computer on without the need for this password, whereas OSX will.

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Ask MS, not me :P I haven't wrote any Win7 code, fortunately :)))

Missed the point entirely. It's not about MS's code. It's about the MacBook becoming extremely hot under CPU intensive tasks as a result of inadequate cooling.

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why can't you click change your Lexus's color either? huh? why there is no damn button for changing color on your Lexus??!! AAAhhh BLASPHEMY!!! I PAID $$$$$$ FOR MY LEXUS AND I WANT COLOR CHANGE BUTTON NOOOWWWWW!!! hahahaha what a clown :)))

Seriously, what a poor response. The car analogy doesn't fit at all here.

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and why the heck can't I change the sound of my Lexus engine either?? BLASPHEMY AGAIN, damn ya Jobs, your Lexus sucks, I can't freakin change the engine sound :)))) hahaaa

Another poor resonse. Nuff said about those two.

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why my Gateway was overheating and shutting itself down when my PowerMac was working months without a single reboot?

You didn't answer the question, then again you haven't answered most of the questions put towards you. Typical Pirks with your question-based answers. You remind me of a politician. Answering questions with further questions, and never giving a straight forward answer. Thus the result is that nothing happens and nobody gets anywhere.

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Why Gateway's battery sticks out of the back like an ugly piece of excreta while providing 25% of the batterly life of a MacBook Pro with battery NOT sticking out ugly like that?

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Why is my Alienware trackpad so jerky, non-smooth, and much harder to scroll up and down sometimes, compared to MacBooks I used at work?

Point proven.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
but it is those answers that give us all great laughs. nothing stands logically with him.
you show him the obvious faults and he answers by mentioning faults that other products have.
you tell him the problems with OSX and he makes unfounded and misinformed comments about windows instead.
it is impossible to have a logical argument with his which is why he is always on 0 and -1.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 8:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
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he makes unfounded and misinformed comments about windows
Look in the mirror, do you see a dumb loser who just made a "YOU CAN'T PUBLISH MAC APPS UNTIL YOU SICK IDICK FIRST!" here? That loser in the mirror is YOU! :)))) hahaaa


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
you missed a little detail which proves my point that you are clueless. i said NATIVE apps. i can make java software for OSX any time i want for example but it is not a native app is it?
i can ask MS to be a developer and for a fee I will acquire the API to make native apps for windows and at that point getting it signed is merely option but for OSX it is mandatory.
see the difference?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 10:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, so you mixed up Mac and iPhone in your little chicken brain, that explains your lunacy, hehe :) Well, so you can treat this fact as an advantage - Jobs prohibited all the non-native layers or VMs on iPhone to get maximum performance from its weak hardware and preserve battery as much as possible.

And by the way this did not prevent C#/.Net apps to be deployed to App Store and LEGALLY run on iPhone. Do you want me to give you a link about that, dumbo?

If I give you such a link that proves it's possible to run C# compiled apps on iPhone LEGALLY WITHOUT JAILBREAKING, will you finally shut your dirty BS spewing hole?

'Cause if you won't shut up then, I'm not gonna post the link.

Deal? ;-) I'll be counting on your word, we'll see what it's worth then :))


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 7/3/2009 8:11:42 AM , Rating: 2
you are an idiot.
any NATIVE app to the OSX requires approval to run. any NON-NATIVE (for example java based) does not need approval.

you still fail to understand what native means. that is not my fault, you can post whatever links you like, it still won't make you right and you will still not know what native apps are.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/3/2009 9:37:58 AM , Rating: 2
That's for iPhone, not for Mac, idiot :)))


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
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If you set a password on Vista it will not automatically log you in when you switch the computer on without the need for this password, whereas OSX will.
Does not affect me and most people - usually users put their notebooks to sleep instead of turning them off :P
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MacBook becoming extremely hot under CPU intensive tasks as a result of inadequate cooling
Nothing new here, my Alienware also becomes very hot when I play Clear Sky on it, so what? :)
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never giving a straight forward answer
My questions are the answers. If you don't like something about this particular Mac - there you go, there are dozens of things I don't like about this or that instance of Windows. So what? :) You can't make any point trying to say "Mac is worse" because I have many examples when Windows is worse. So you're right, repeating "mac sucks" the way idiot fsardis does it here like a robot will get us nowhere because I will find counterpoints to every stupid accusation he tries to make.

Yea, I just have lulz here, nothing serious, you got me there buddy :)


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 5:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
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Does not affect me and most people - usually users put their notebooks to sleep instead of turning them off :P

By default Vista will also ask for a password on wake, unless you have specified that the computer not to in the power options. If you do not alter this setting (which I doubt most people will) then you will be required to enter your password on wake.

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Nothing new here, my Alienware also becomes very hot when I play Clear Sky on it, so what? :)

The OP's point was that you have been spouting that the MacBook has superior cooling, yet it still becomes very hot, just like any other notebook. That's what.

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My questions are the answers

That sounds like an oxymoron to me. Your questions are in fact questions , not answers, which just further the discussion into the abyss.

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If you don't like something about this particular Mac - there you go, there are dozens of things I don't like about this or that instance of Windows. So what? :)

But when these drawbacks are made out to be something superior towards their PC counterparts, that's where the problem lies. That's what.

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You can't make any point trying to say "Mac is worse" because I have many examples when Windows is worse

Perhaps so, but something that is spouted as an all-round superior product through arrogant marketing shouldn't be "worse" by any persons' standpoint, should it?

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So you're right, repeating "mac sucks" the way idiot fsardis does it here like a robot will get us nowhere because I will find counterpoints to every stupid accusation he tries to make.

"Mac sucks" is an opinion, it's not meant to go anywhere. Whereas with your question-answers, it's more like going backwards than not getting anywhere at all.
Counterpoints? More like further questions involving the lack of a colour change button on a Lexus. Phhft.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/1/2009 9:06:17 PM , Rating: 2
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If you do not alter this setting then you will be required to enter your password on wake
Well, so Apple traded security for comfort, which seems like a smart move for them. MS did the same before (remember autorun/conficker debacle?) but it did not pan out that well. Doesn't mean Apple will go the same route though. Their OS designers usually do much better job than MS's.
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MacBook has superior cooling, yet it still becomes very hot, just like any other notebook
MacBook's cooling is better not because of the lower temperatures, but because of lack of stupid air vents at the bottom.
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when these drawbacks are made out to be something superior towards their PC counterparts
What Mac's drawback exactly is "superior" to PC? Be more explicit please.
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something that is spouted as an all-round superior product through arrogant marketing shouldn't be "worse" by any persons' standpoint, should it?
It could if the person is outside of the marrket segment that is targeted by the ads, which is clearly the case with fsardis.
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"Mac sucks" is an opinion, it's not meant to go anywhere
True, but I'm not ridiculing fsardis's opinion, I laugh at his "arguments" he pulls out of his ass... or not his, I dunno :) Opinion per se is not funny, just like a taste for music or food. The "arguments" are the funny part. Got it? ;)


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/2/2009 5:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
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Well, so Apple traded security for comfort, which seems like a smart move for them.

I would consider comfort as knowing your system is secure from unauthorised access.
Though if you consider auto-login as comfort, then Microsoft caters to the best of both worlds, because the auto-login feature is easily accomplished, but is optional.

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Their OS designers usually do much better job than MS's.

That's just your opinion. Microsoft's target market is substantially larger than Apple's. There's many more people to cater for thus there's far more places to go wrong. But I think overall they do very well to accomodate for everyone in that particular market.

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MacBook's cooling is better not because of the lower temperatures, but because of lack of stupid air vents at the bottom.

Bottom vents are only stupid to those who have no idea how they work. It obviously doesn't do the MacBook much justice having no bottom vents, it's just more aesthetically presentable. But who on earth cares what the bottom of their notebook looks like?

People that have common sense will use their notebook on a hard flat surface as often as possible. Most notebooks are built so that their is a small gap between the surface and the bottom of the notebook, usually with rubber grips, so that the bottom vents do actually come into play when cooling. Try it for yourself. Put your notebook on a flat surface, cover the bottom vents for a while and then un-cover them, I'm sure you'll find a temperature drop in the latter. With these bottom vents and the gap between the surface their is more room for air circulation.

With the MacBook, having no vents on the bottom and being on a flat surface, heat will just remain at the bottom as it's impossible that all heat will be extracted from the rear/side exhausts (wherever they are on a MacBook), particularly when heat is being produced but not circulated at the bottom and on the surface.
If heat is being produced at the front, it'll have to escape from the rear, therefore this heat is passed onto other components rather than escaping. Having no bottom vents only causes the MacBook temperature to increase, regardless of the surface it is put on.

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What Mac's drawback exactly is "superior" to PC? Be more explicit please.

I believe Apple's marketing campain answers your question. That, and OSX being "the most advanced OS in the world".

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It could if the person is outside of the marrket segment that is targeted by the ads, which is clearly the case with fsardis.

But the ad's seem to be targeted at everyone using a PC, as to say "look at what your PC can do, now look how much better a Mac can do the same thing" Albeit, these remarks are blatantly false.
Perhaps Apple should try to target their own audience more than trying to make themselves look better than Microsoft all the time.
Apple's marketing makes me think of the interview with both Jobs and Gates. Jobs said something about before he went back to Apple, when they were failing, they had the attitude that "for Apple to win, Microsoft had to lose. Apple had forgotten themselves"
All of this MS basing in their advertisements makes me feel like they are back to that petty stage. They haven't grown up, and they haven't learned where it got them.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By xDrift0rx on 7/2/2009 12:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
I think the only thing pushing Apple's market share up is their iPhone and maybe their iPod line.

I owned a mac mini for a short period of time and while it was a nice machine, i didnt like the feel of OSX. maybe its me just preferring sticking with the same old. but i think it has more to do with the customibility that i have with Windows. i like being able to turn off services that run in the background (print spooler, wireless zero, remote desktop etc) to further save resources. that and turn off little things that start up on boot up.

My opinion is that Windows is the superior OS, and that is why it has the market share it has. Going back to what i said, customibility - thats what windows is. thats what the manufacturers have. thats what computers are. NOT locking in their users into their little world as apple does.

just my 2 cents.

also, in b4 Pirks shitstorm


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/2/2009 7:15:41 PM , Rating: 1
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Ah, that's why everybody here tells me to turn UAC off and STFU at last. Hehe, how simple actually :)

The option is there to turn off UAC and to turn on auto-login. You might think that the UAC is useless, so turn it off. Done. It's not forced upon you.
In my opinion, a passworded system that allows auto-login by default is just simply malpractice. If this was Microsoft, you and others would be blasting them. It's only convenient because it's Apple.

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I believe it only when I see MS market share growing, not falling like now.

In a recession it's pretty hard for a company with around 90% of the market share to grow, especially when their previous products still have first party support. The market share Microsoft has lost is inconsequential.
You still won't believe it when Microsoft regains their market share, so don't lie.

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Heat will not just remain at the bottom because there are heat sinks on the hot chips that carry heat away through heat pipes and airflow caused by fans blowing.

This will not remove most heat. Your desk/surface doesn't have heatpipes and heatsinks, and air will not be circulating between the bottom of the MacBook and the surface, therefore the heated surface will simply add to the temperature.
With bottom vents, the air between the surface and the bottom of the notebook can be circulated, so the surface will not become as heated (unless of course you are using the notebook on a soft surface), and therefore aiding the overall cooling of the notebook. Also not forgetting the aditional rear/side vents and heatpipes that most notebooks (not just MacBooks) have which further aid cooling.

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Not true, people put them everywhere including soft surfaces like their laps, where problems start to appear when their legs cover those damn air intakes.

The way you word it is like the only vents on a notebook are on the bottom, which is far from the truth.
Leaving your notebook on a soft surface will have the exact same effect regardless of whether it's a PC notebook or a MacBook, or whether it has bottom vents or not.

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If Windows were really modern slick OS with no-nonsense design, we'd see registry dead many years ago, we'd see same simple drag-n-drop install/uninstall proceduses as in OS X, we'd see application bundles like in OS X, we'd see normal and not braindead network stack like in OS X, that doesn't throttle your transfers when you wanna listen some audio, we'd see UAC that doesn't pester user with same questions twice in a row (do you want to delete this file? yes! are you REALLY sure now? YES FUCK IT YEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!).

What is it you have been saying, about a particular product not appealing to a certain market?
If Microsoft implemented everything you have mentioned, they would simply be a clone of OSX. I doubt Microsoft's goal is to clone an operating system with less than 10% of the market share, and to make all current software obsolete with the removal of the registry. The only point I agree with you on is the UAC. It should remember your request and never bother you again for that particular task.
I would really love to see the ability for OSX to be legally installed on non-Apple computers. Let's see if Apple can support all of the different hardware configurations as well as providing functionality for an 800% rise in consumers. I seriously doubt it.

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See, when Apple realized in late 90s (when Jobs came back) that they have to really battle MS to survive, as well as find new growth markets (PMP and smartphones for now) - this is where their luck was turned 180 degrees

Battling with Microsoft is putting something on the market that the consumers recognise as superior through their own experience, not through arrogant, petty and false marketing.
The PMP market is where Apple does not need to solely compete with Microsoft, nor make unrefined remarks towards the competition, because what they have are great products that the comsumers themselves recognise as great through their own experience.
In my opinion, they have still forgotten who Apple really is when it comes to their computer lineup.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/2/2009 11:02:03 PM , Rating: 2
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It's only convenient because it's Apple
No, MS autorun is a convenience too, the difference between Apple convenience and MS convenience is that MS one is a heavily exploited security hole (conficker - rings any bells?) while Apple one is not.
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Leaving your notebook on a soft surface will have the exact same effect regardless of whether it's a PC notebook or a MacBook, or whether it has bottom vents or not
Wrong, because on MacBook there are no bottom air intake vents to block. When I block bottom incoming airflow vents on a PC while MacBook still gets its cool air through a keyboard intake - who's gonna win then? PC that has no air intake (blocked at the bottom) or MacBook with normal air intake unaffected by soft surface at the bottom? Easy question, eh? ;)
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they would simply be a clone of OSX
Is being a clone of a most advanced OS a necesarily bad thing? Whole undeground kingdom of clonemakers is making fortunes off the established brands, you know all these Soni, Adibas and other "chinese clones" - so why MS can't get rich the same way too? After all they cloned OS X dock, I liked it actually, but why not go further? I want my drag drop installers, I want my portable application bundles, I want my XML config files instead of MS-DOS registry. Just wait till MS clones this stuff too, it's a matter of time.
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make all current software obsolete with the removal of the registry
Come on, don't be so stupid, really. Think about it - is all the current MS-DOS software obsolete when you run Vista x64? You can't run any DOS software on it? Really? Even through the VM like DosBox? Come oooon! You seem to be technically literate, you know that removing support of museum tech does not necessarily kill ALL the old software right away. We got XP mode now in Win7, remember? Jeez, now I have to teach winzealots basics of their own idol OS, what an irony...
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Let's see if Apple can support all of the different hardware configurations as well as providing functionality for an 800% rise in consumers
They won't and they shouldn't, 'cause consumers buy PCs not because there are 1000000000 million configurations of them. I'm glad that Apple stays away from the idiocy of 1000s of the same parts but with different logos on them. We need the alternative to that to have a healthy competition between these business models (Apple and open PC).
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Battling with Microsoft is putting something on the market that the consumers recognise as superior through their own experience, not through arrogant, petty and false marketing
Everybody markets their products, every PC OEM has ads, so marketing is not a real argument here. There's no principal difference between Apple ads and any other PC OEM ad, so tell your fairy tales to someone else please.


By themaster08 on 7/3/2009 5:21:35 AM , Rating: 2
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MS one is a heavily exploited security hole (conficker - rings any bells?) while Apple one is not.

Here's a nice colourful picture on how to avoid Conficker that even you can understand:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conficker.svg

If a user is not taking these very fundamental steps anyway then they're simply an idiot.

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Wrong, because on MacBook there are no bottom air intake vents to block. When I block bottom incoming airflow vents on a PC while MacBook still gets its cool air through a keyboard intake - who's gonna win then? PC that has no air intake (blocked at the bottom) or MacBook with normal air intake unaffected by soft surface at the bottom ? Easy question, eh? ;)

Just because there are no bottom vents to block, that doesn't necessarily make it beneficial, particularly on a soft surface.
Whilst the MacBook is getting cool air though a keyboard intake, it'll still be affected by hands getting in the way of airflow, plus the LCD panel will block much of the airflow from that particlar angle.

Not only that, but the surface (hard or soft) will still become heated as air will not be curculating across the bottom and the surface will be insulating the heat, thus having the exact same effect. Regardless of where the intakes are, components will still become extremely hot if the notebook is placed on a soft surface. Period.

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Is being a clone of a most advanced OS a necesarily bad thing? Whole undeground kingdom of clonemakers is making fortunes off the established brands, you know all these Soni, Adibas and other "chinese clones" - so why MS can't get rich the same way too? After all they cloned OS X dock, I liked it actually, but why not go further? I want my drag drop installers, I want my portable application bundles, I want my XML config files instead of MS-DOS registry. Just wait till MS clones this stuff too, it's a matter of time.

"Most advanced OS" is subject to opinion.

Yes it would be a bad thing for Microsoft to clone OSX, because to do that would be discarding their own market. I very much doubt that discarding 90% of the market would be beneficial to anyone.

Sure, these chinese clones make money, but their market share is insignificant. Microsoft has ~90% market share, and that hasn't happened through making clones for 30 years. Perhaps they have taken some ideas from OSX in latter years, but their OS is far from a clone and even you will agree with that one.

Whether you think their OS is dated or not, people buy it. You buy it. I'm sure Microsoft will entirely discard the most popular and profitable software lineup ever, and clone OSX just for you, if you you ask them nicely enough. If you want everything you listed, get a Mac. That's all there is to it.

If you have that much of a problem with Windows, use Linux and run your games through Wine, Cedega or CrossOver

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They won't and they shouldn't, 'cause consumers buy PCs not because there are 1000000000 million configurations of them. I'm glad that Apple stays away from the idiocy of 1000s of the same parts but with different logos on them. We need the alternative to that to have a healthy competition between these business models (Apple and open PC).

They won't and they shouldn't, because they're making more than enough money as it is, without the added hassle of supporting a much wider range of hardware configurations.

So people don't use Windows because it's compatible with their hardware platform? Given the chance, I'm sure OSX would have a much larger user base if it supported the hardware configurations that Windows does.

If you like alternatives then where would the sense be in Microsoft making a clone of OSX?

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every PC OEM has ads, so marketing is not a real argument here. There's no principal difference between Apple ads and any other PC OEM ad, so tell your fairy tales to someone else please.

The only difference being that PC OEM advertisements advertise their own product and usually provide information on specs and other details.

They do not directly, falsely and arrogantly insult the competition to lure in gullible comsumers. But sure, this is just a fairytale. I'm making all of this up.


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