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According to reports the new iPhone 3G S's are overheating enough to discolor the plastic from white to pink or brown. The iPod Touches and iPhone 3G's are also suffering lesser heat issues, indicating firmware may be partially responsible. Apple has released no official word on the widespread reports.  (Source: Le Journal du Geek)
Apple's iPhone 3G S takes the heat

Apple boldly advertises the slogan "It just works", but Apple has its share of issues just like any other tech company.  Among the recent problems included Mac display issues (which have been ongoing for over a year) and iPhone signal issues (also a year old problem).

Now another familiar problem has been reported.  Apple's hot new iPhone is not just getting hot figuratively, it's getting hot literally.  Reports of Apple's handsets turning toasty and colorizing from white to a toasty brown or rosy pink have been widely reported.

Reportedly, the phones are more likely to overheat when playing games or using the GPS.  The iPhone 3G S packs a much faster CPU and graphics processor than its predecessor, a likely source of the heating issues.  However, Apple thus far has denied the reports and refused to comment that there is a problem with the handsets.

Melissa J. Perenson of PC World is among those whose iPhone 3G S is overheating.  She writes, "And at some point, I became aware the handset had become very hot. Very, very hot — not just on the back, but the entire length of the front face, too. I was using a game, and then later the Web browser for reading the news about Michael Jackson, all over a Wi-Fi connection while plugged in. And in those circumstances, well…toasty doesn’t even describe how surprisingly hot it got. It was too hot to even put the phone against my face. No discoloration to report, though; I have the black handset, and didn’t see any effects."

OS power management also may be to blame.  Reportedly, iPhones and iPod touches upgraded to the new OS v3.0 have also been heating up.  Writes Wired.com's Charlie Sorrel, "To add to the confusion, I have noticed my 2G iPod Touch getting a lot hotter than usual since updating to the v3.0 software. This happens while web browsing, and the battery is draining fast, too. I have no idea if this is related, but if it is it could point at some bad power-management software in OS 3.0."

Ultimately, it may be a combination of hardware and firmware power management that's causing the new iPhone to overload.



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display issue FUD
By thornburg on 6/29/2009 9:57:24 AM , Rating: -1
Would you stop posting about the "display issue" on some Macs as if it's this huge, widespread problem?

It only occurs when you're using a mini-displayport -> dual-link DVI adapter. In other words, when you use a 30" external monitor that uses dual-link DVI with your laptop. It works fine under any other circumstances. Use a smaller/lower res monitor, or use a displayport monitor, and it works fine. No problems with the built-in displays on laptops or iMacs either.

Is this site funded exclusively by Microsoft? The amount of Apple-bashing here is ridiculous. I appreciate reporting of problems, but repeatedly bringing up one corner-case issue that has available workarounds is pathetic.




RE: display issue FUD
By Gul Westfale on 6/29/2009 10:01:38 AM , Rating: 3
apple SUCKS.
overpriced, underfeatured, compatible with nothing. if at least it did always "just work", then that would still be defensible; but given that their machines seem to suffer from the same issues every other computer suffers from, their prices and smug attitude (or should i say, the smug attitude of apple owners) are just pathetic.


RE: display issue FUD
By acase on 6/29/2009 10:16:45 AM , Rating: 2
easy there killer...they never said "It just works well."


RE: display issue FUD
By Gul Westfale on 6/29/2009 10:23:49 AM , Rating: 2
neither did i.


RE: display issue FUD
By acase on 6/29/2009 11:05:37 AM , Rating: 2
...yah...it's called a joke...


RE: display issue FUD
By Spivonious on 6/29/2009 10:09:42 AM , Rating: 4
So I can't use any DVI connection with a Mac without getting display issues? I'd say that's a pretty big problem.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 10:27:48 AM , Rating: 2
No, by what the OP is saying, you can't use a dual-link DVI connection with a MAC that only has a displayport without getting display issues.


RE: display issue FUD
By Shadowself on 6/29/2009 11:38:16 AM , Rating: 3
Close but not quite. The reproducible problem is with a system that has a mini display port (As far as I know Apple is the only company using this display port variant.) and is being connected to a monitor through a dual link DVI connector so you have to use a special mini display port to dual link DVI converter cable.

The only condition that requires this is driving a 30" with one of the newer Apple laptop.

Apple should fix this -- soon. Why they haven't makes no sense unless it has something to do with inherent limitations of that non standard mini display port connection on the laptop. If that is the case, Apple really screwed themselves and their customers. If that is not the case, then it should be at worst a firmware fix.


RE: display issue FUD
By amanojaku on 6/29/2009 10:11:00 AM , Rating: 5
They do the same things when discussing MS articles. An article about the 360 inevitably mentions the EU lawsuits, or Vista dissatisfaction.

As to the Apple bashing, there are two reasons for that.

1) Apple insists its price premiums are for better products; the rest of us see their products as supermodels. Supermodels cost too damn much and break whenever you try to do anything fun with them. They also require expensive trips to exclusive surgeons, as regular places aren't privy to the inner mysteries of the supermodel and cannot provide adequate treatment.

2) Apple lovers are beyond fanatical, yet they're given "hip" status for some reason. A guy with that much love for his PC is a "nerd." How is that fair? Worse, is the way Apple treats even its own fans; content censorship and lack of hardware innovations since moving to the x86 platform. Yeah, today's Apple is turning out to be worse than yesterday's MS.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 10:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
They

They = Jason Mick


RE: display issue FUD
By Shadowself on 6/29/2009 11:41:29 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand the belief around here that Jason is a Mac/Apple fan. He's done his share of making negative remarks about Apple -- some very, very well deserved, some truly unfounded.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 4:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
He's done more than his share of making truly unfounded remarks about just about everything.


RE: display issue FUD
By Bender 123 on 6/29/2009 10:30:13 AM , Rating: 1
Lets start a non-flammable topic in this thread...

Like Sony and the PS3?

Windows Vista?

RROD?

Why is the Nintendo Wii the top selling console?

and

Global Warming. Fact or Fiction?

There, those topics can't possibly bring out the fanatics, like an Apple topic.


RE: display issue FUD
By daniyarm on 6/29/2009 12:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
The difference between an Apple fanatic and a nerd is that you don't need a brain to use an Apple product, that's what makes them so popular. And if you have a brain and try to do what YOU want with an iPhone, then Apple just bricks it.


RE: display issue FUD
By echtogammut on 6/29/2009 12:31:11 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, I love them both. I am the Gandhi of PCs, I think both Mac and Windows are beautiful in their own ways. It's those damn linux users that get on my nerves :)

I got the iPhone 1.0 when it came out and I have been happy with it for the last (2?) years. About a month ago I tossed it 20 feet in a parking lot, when I was shocked by some static electricity (seriously), and the volume control buttons no longer work properly. I looked at upgrading to the 3G but it didn't seem to offer anything other than decreased battery life. So, with a partially broken phone, I wanted to get the 3Gs, but it looks like I may have to wait till the 3G-S v.1.1 comes out.


RE: display issue FUD
By thornburg on 6/29/2009 12:50:56 PM , Rating: 2
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Personally, I love them both. I am the Gandhi of PCs, I think both Mac and Windows are beautiful in their own ways. It's those damn linux users that get on my nerves :)


How about this then: I use all 3. I have a Macbook (provided by my employer) running 10.5, my hope desktop is running Windows 7 RC1, and I have two servers (one at work and one at home) running Ubuntu Linux. Does that get one your nerves? ;)

Each has its own purpose and they are each good for (and/or necessary for) specific tasks. All the fanboism and zealotry gets on my nerves sometimes, and then I do silly things like try to point out how ridiculous some of the statements posted here are. And I posted, I mean as articles or blogs. I knew I would get modded into oblivion, I just couldn't help myself.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 6:56:19 AM , Rating: 1
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Apple insists its price premiums are for better products; the rest of us see their products as supermodels
This is the reason I call winzealots "guys with a welfare check" - because bashing expensive premium products is a display of envy, no more, no less. If you can't afford it - shut your dirty hole and stop envying others who can pay $3K for a nice laptop with 8 hours of battery life and a decent gaming GPU inside (not the ultra high end one tho).

DT is full of some poor students and other bums who just love to bash Sony, Apple and any other premium brands. They are like children who see a nice sweetie in the window shop and can't get it because they are so poor and mommy didn't give them some pocket change. That looks totally stupid, guys. Grow up.
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they're given "hip" status for some reason. A guy with that much love for his PC is a "nerd." How is that fair?
It's because PC is for techies, and Mac is for the mere mortals. Techies were always considered nerdy in this society, so blame it (society).
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content censorship
AKA malware control, which Apple consumers totally love :P Otherwise they would stop buying Apple a long ago. You see, every medal has a back side, you have to open your eyes and shed winzealotry to see this back side. Not easy, I know. I've been just like you several years ago :)
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lack of hardware innovations since moving to the x86 platform
Best battery life for given WHr rating and hardware specs is not an innovation? You should see a doctor, immediately. I'm serious.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 8:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
Who said people here can't buy Apple or Sony notebooks? I know I can, and I am sure others can as well.

The problem is, most of the people HERE are smart and realize the cost/reward from Apple notebooks is only high if you are going for an image. If you just want a good machine, the cost/reward is low in comparison to other machines, like a a lot of what Asus sells. Keep in mind, Asus has been making Apple products for years, up to the new unibody Macs. The problem Apple is having quite often is inadequate cooling because of the way they design the notebooks, Asus makes them, it's the Apple design that fails.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 3:45:04 PM , Rating: 2
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The problem is, most of the people HERE are smart
No they aren't. Smart people will not bash products targeted at the other market segment. If I'm in a market looking for luxury sedan I'm not gonna bash Tata or Lada or some other cheapo tin can because I know those cans were made not for me, i.e. not for my market segment. Why am I not bashing them? Because I'm smart. Why other people bash products from market segments they don't belong? Because these people are stupid.

Yeah, try to bash a tank because it's too heavy, too expensive and can't use city back alleys. Will you bash a tank while buying a Honda Civic for youself? The answer to this question defines your level of stupidity. Same's true for Mac or Sony or anything else from so called "premium" market segments.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 4:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
But, the problem here is, as far as function is concerned, the units in question are interchangeable. So, the tank to Civic comparison just doesn't cut it.

As far as the luxury to non-luxury, well, that's just not the same. I think anyone that is buying a notebook because they feel it is a status is the real stupid person. A car, sure there are some minor differences between a Lexus and a Toyota other than simply styling, but when referring to notebooks (Apple and some of the PC brands), that difference just doesn't really exist. They look cool, but they both perform the same functions in MOST cases, and they do so equally as well as the competition. The differences in the PC world between Apple and say, Asus, are VERY minimal, and in most cases, the Asus notebook have better specs for less money.

So, what type of person would want to pay more for less just because of the status that goes along with that item? Well, someone with more money than sense, and likely a very shallow person who is materialistic.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 5:12:49 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't seen a single person who bought macbook for status. Everyone I know (about 5 people, not a lot but still...) bought Mac because of simplicity and quality. Most people like battery life, a few like the keyboard backlight (one of them has lower end macbook so he can't say anything about it), they like OS X gesture control support in general, the fact that you usually just drag drop apps and throw them in the basket instead of running some installers/uninstallers, and other minor things like that. One guy loves the fact that his MacBook Air is so light and thin, works more on a battery than his previous lightweight Sony and costs less than Sony too.

So your theory about Mac as a status symbol can't be farther from the truth I think.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 11:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I know people that have no idea why they bought a Mac. Marketing and status are usually the reason I find. I ask many Mac owners why they bought a Mac, and the reasons they think are true just simple are not true.

You can find a pc based notebook with similar battery life, equivalent quality, and Win 7 should be a pretty darn good OS, but that cannot be a current reason. Also, sure the Macbook air has come down in price, but, it just lacks to much for me to even consider paying that much. I would much rather pay an additional $200 and get the Lenovo X300. Considering what the Macbook air DOESN'T come with, it shouldn't cost as much as far superior ultra thin notebooks.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 9:19:47 AM , Rating: 1
but mere mortals cannot afford the price premium like i can, can they you asswipe?

just because someone is bashing overpriced hardware does not mean they are poor. it would make sense to pay extra if you actually got something in return but apart from the great battery life it has nothing better than other laptops. there are people i know driving bentleys and rolls royce and maybach and they still think apple is overpriced and refuse to pay for one. are they on welfare too?

content censorship is malware control? since when? wtf are you smoking? there is nothing out there that prevents me from writing malware for the mac and i do not need to kiss steve's ass to write the malware. if i want to write a native app for the mac though i gotta suck iDick to get approval before it is published. where is the logic in that? you are so damn clueless.

i am still waiting for you to explain why my MBP has sharp edges and puts dents on my wrists as i type these posts here. I am still waiting an explanation to why it is too hot to touch when it is doing any CPU intensive tasks. Where is the price premium justified in those flaws? Why am i paying extra for the same shitty webcam that every other laptop has? why is the sound muffled and the whole thing rattles at max volume?

why are they advertising i can press anywhere on the touch pad to click when in fact the design is hinged at the top and you can only press near the bottom of the pad where a button would be anyway? is it such a huge innovation to hide the button under the bottom part of the touch pad?

why don't you buy one of them since you are a gamer and they have such great graphics and overall quality? they can run windows just fine after all. put your money where your mouth is.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 4:02:49 PM , Rating: 1
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but mere mortals cannot afford the price premium like i can
bullshit again, any mere mortal can afford mac mini or macbook on ebay, if they don't have a few additional hundred $$$ to blow on a brand new one
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there are people i know driving bentleys and rolls royce and maybach and they still think apple is overpriced and refuse to pay for one. are they on welfare too?
haha, but these people don't spend their time on DT making idiotic posts about Apple, here's the difference
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if i want to write a native app for the mac though i gotta suck iDick to get approval before it is published
Are you just a simple kind of moron or a totally braindead fucked up beyond repair kind? who told you you have to ask Apple's permission to publish your app for the Mac??? you are sooo dumb.... you are approaching the chicko level now, you don't know the MOST BASIC FACTS: nobody will ever check your Mac app, not even Apple, you're free to publish ANYTHING for a Mac ANYWHERE. do you understand that SIMPLEST OF THE SIMPLEST FACTS? or not? I guess you need to see a doctor too :))
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why don't you buy one of them since you are a gamer and they have such great graphics and overall quality? they can run windows just fine after all. put your money where your mouth is.
hahaha, idiot, if I were Apple fanatic of course I'd buy a few macbooks instead of my gaming notebooks. you never understand that I'm only making fun of the winzelaots like you :)) no winzealots and generally dumb posters on DT - no my harsh comments either. got this one, dumbo? :)))

P.S. macbooks are not high end enough gaming gear for me, mostly because of Crysis and Clear Sky, these two will fry its eggs hehe :) if I were into moderate gaming, you know something older school like bioshock, then I might have got a macbook, the 17 inch one is uber sweet machine, but alas, they are not ready for high end gaming just yet


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 9:41:01 AM , Rating: 1
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It's because PC is for techies, and Mac is for the mere mortals. Techies were always considered nerdy in this society, so blame it (society).


you use Windows and you are a certified retard so obviously a PC is not that hard to use. Seriously, what kind of moron says a PC is for techies? Can you smell your own bullshit or have you become immune to it?

When is your welfare check due this month? Have you received it yet? I know you are on welfare because you don't own a Mac.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 3:48:36 PM , Rating: 2
your little chiken brain, fsardis, didn't get a basic fact - I DO NOT bash Macs if I don't own one. you belong to the fanatic crowd, not to the poor crowd. some people are on welfare and complain about Macs because they envy rich people, but you are different kind, your problem is not in your welfare checks but in your stupidity and in your zealotry, just read your post about security, what a funny pile of bs :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:37:41 PM , Rating: 2
you still failed to answer what is so difficult to use in windows. any ape like yourself can use it and any chimp can press next on a couple of dialogs to install and uninstall apps.
you have not stated a single undeniable fact yet.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:15:38 PM , Rating: 1
you fuckhead never tried to install an admin rights requiring app like Rivatuner in Vista and then tell windefender to shut up and stop bothering with its stupid popups every time Vista boots.

and you lunacy victim also never tried to share your media library in Vista when you have public network(s) on it.

just shut your dirty hole already and stop telling me your lunacy stories about Windows simplicity. if you tried these things, ballmercocksuck, you'd learn a few harsh lessons about MS monkeys from Redmond who were unable to code their OS properly with regard to easy to use and sane UI.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:17:32 PM , Rating: 1
ROFL! i do not use rivatuner but one software is hardly an example of what Windows can do or cannot do. What seems to be the problem? You are too stupid to disable UAC or perhaps you do not know how to add it to the firewall white list if it uses the network?

Yea i am sharing libraries in vista and have been for 2 years now without a single problem. my desktop does not have any public networks on it but my acer laptop does and it does not prevent it from sharing songs from the desktop and to the desktop. let me venture a guess; your problem is PEBCK or do you get the error 1D10T?

like i said, i am not a fanboy of any software company. I use all 3 of the main operating systems and OSX is worse than the other two in most things. sorry i repeatedly burst your bubble but i am simply stating facts here. i do not have much to prove anyway. you have admitted you do not use macs because they do not cover your needs and by extension you admit they are not as perfect as you claim they are. if you want to have at least a tiny bit of credibility i suggest you go splash cash for a mac pro or a mbp and run vista on it. then come and discuss how perfect the hardware is and why you justify spending extra to get nothing better than a dell apart from aluminium body. then again if you were not such a fuckwit you would have figured how to build your own PC and get an all aluminium case for it. lian li makes some cases that look like the mac pro. you can paint steve's ass on it to kiss it in the morning too.

all my posts are written on safari from OSX, just so you drop the whining about MS. Welcome to 2009 by the way, Win 7 is on RC and will be in retail in 3 months or so. In the mean time OSX still lacks basic interface customisation features that Windows has had since 2003.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 10:05:04 PM , Rating: 1
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one software is hardly an example of what Windows can do or cannot do
One software is enough to demonstrate how stupid MS "designers" are.
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You are too stupid to disable UAC
You are too fucked up to realize that MS introduced thing called UAC just to get everyone disable it, LOL! :)))
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perhaps you do not know how to add it to the firewall white list
Perhaps you don't know the basics about Windefender if you keep writing BS like that above about "firewall white list" :))) hahaa
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my acer laptop does and it does not prevent it from sharing songs from the desktop and to the desktop
Don't lie to me, or do you want me to show you the error dialog that Vista shows when you try to share media library with a public network present? Why do you want me to publicly prove you a liar? So far you could squeeze out and keep posting BS but if I post a screenshot here that proves you a liar what will you say THEN, lunatic? :)))
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i am simply stating facts here
Yeah, I've seen your "facts" about sucking iDick before publishing Mac apps. Are you sure you don't need to see a doctor? :)
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splash cash for a mac pro or a mbp and run vista on it
And you buy a Lexus and put a motorcycle engine in it too :P
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Win 7 is on RC and will be in retail in 3 months or so
And how many years until Win7 captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 6:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
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And how many years until Win7 captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic :)))

And how many years until OSX captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic.


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 6:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
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I DO NOT bash Macs if I don't own one.

But you'll support Macs even though you don't own one? Doesn't make any logical sense.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 6:53:48 PM , Rating: 1
because he is just a troll. he will not put his money where his mouth is. if he loves them so much and the graphics are so great he would get one and run win 7 on it. but he has admitted now the graphics are not so good. slowly he will be singing a different tune.

hey fuckwit, can you tell me why the lexus that is designed for advanced multimedia and for simple people cannot control the volume independently for applications like vista and win 7 does? can you explain why you keep comparing OSX to win xp instead of vista or win 7? it is 2009, not 2003 in case you haven't noticed. last time i checked, you evaluate a lexus based on what is on the market right now and not what was available 20 years ago.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:56:23 PM , Rating: 2
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people cannot control the volume independently for applications
I'm moving volume slider in iTunes and the volume is changing just for iTunes, but keep lying please, I don't wanna hurt your faith :))
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why you keep comparing OSX to win xp
Why XP market share is so huge compared to Vista? ;) Tell me lunatic, tell me another funny story of yours :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:19:32 PM , Rating: 1
supporting Macs != ridiculing winzealots, I'd ridicule them about Linux too but their chicken brains are focused on the most successful market player now (Apple), nobody cares about Linux.

otherwise I'd be called "Linux zealot" here, although I wouldn't give a shit about it, I'd just catch some lulz here reading posts from dumb people like chicko or fsardis or any other winzealot.

and if I were supporting Apple FOR REAL I'd buy a few Macs already. you zealots are unfortunately too dumb to understand that. sigh


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 6:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
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and if I were supporting Apple FOR REAL I'd buy a few Macs already. you zealots are unfortunately too dumb to understand that. sigh

Basically you've just admitted that you're a troll. Thanks for that confirmation, although we've known all along.


RE: display issue FUD
By xDrift0rx on 7/2/2009 1:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
i think the arguments with Pirks are FAR more entertaining than the short articles posted by DT. It's funny to see him bring up the same failure points everytime.


RE: display issue FUD
By Einy0 on 6/29/2009 10:17:11 AM , Rating: 3
hmm I always consider DT as being pro Apple...


RE: display issue FUD
By Proxes on 6/29/2009 1:26:55 PM , Rating: 1
Any site that seems to go out of its way to post anything they can about Apple, good or bad, is pro Apple in my book.

I'm just waiting for the Jason Mick article about how Steve Jobs has "returned to work."


RE: display issue FUD
By sweetsauce on 6/29/2009 10:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
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