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AMD's latest roadmap revealed the shocking detail about Socket 754
Socket 754 shipments outlast socket 939 but AMD prepares the transition over to socket AM2

AMD has been performing very well in terms of delivering new products to the masses as well as ensuring that shipments are on time. With regards to processors and platforms, AMD is now in a position where it can diversify at its own pace and not have to be in Intel's shadow.

This year, we will be seeing a great deal of things happening with AMD's processors as well as the sockets that hold them. Coming with these changes will be new motherboards as well as opportunities for new platforms. We last reported on AMD's next-generation generation socket F, which is a LGA-type socket with 1207 pins. The new socket will be home to AMD's upcoming dual-core as well as quad-core Opterons.

Despite the need for more complex interfaces to support multi-core processors, AMD's existing socket 754 will be outlasting the more complex socket 939. Currently, socket 939 is home to AMD's Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2 and Athlon 64 FX processors while socket 754 is for Sempron. According to AMD documentation, all socket 939 processors will stop shipping Q2 2007 with final orders occurring nearly half a year before end-date. AMD Roadmaps have socket 939 end of life (EOL) in Q4'06, while socket 754 is EOL Q4'07.

For socket 939 processors, the first to fall off the charts will be Athlon 64 processors based on Venice core, with last orders occurring in the Q2 of this year and shipments stopping by the end of Q4. Athlon 64 processors based on San Diego will see similar results starting in Q4. Interestingly, while the Athlon FX 60 recently just launched, AMD will be taking final orders in Q4 of this year. Athlon X2 processors based on socket 939 will stop shipping in Q2 2007 with final orders being taken in Q4 of this year. Processors based on socket 754, such as AMD's Sempron will be continuing to ship well into 2007 and cease near the end of the year.

The move is to transition motherboard manufacturers over to AMD's new socket AM2, which is a unified socket architecture designed to hold both Athlon and Sempron processors,  while Socket S1 will feature upcoming dual-core Turions. Processors based on the new AM2 interface will begin shipping later this year.


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By hwhacker on 3/31/2006 11:38:47 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm...There's gotta be a reason for this.

Obviously AM2 will replace S939, but what will replace 754 as the longterm budget platform?

If 754 is shipping until the end of the year, it makes you wonder if it will cease to exist once AMD launches AM3. From that point AM2 could go one notch down the totumpole to the budget platform just as 754 did when 939 was released.

AM2 = 754? (released first, but only a year or so at top-end before only coming a budget alternative)

AM3 = 939? (released later but used for higher end until transition to a completely new socket in which history could repeat itsself again?)




By jmke on 3/31/2006 11:45:01 AM , Rating: 3
The current Sempron S754 is set to be replaced by the "Manila" on socket AM2.


By hwhacker on 3/31/2006 12:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly.

...and the regular AM2's are to be replaced with AM3 that supports both DDR2 and DDR3 most likely sometime towards the end of 2007...but one questions if Semprons will make that leap, or stay or the then-outdated AM2 using what will be by then very cheap DDR2. That surely would be an enticing budget platform, especially since it would be dual channel.

It surely seems a likely possibility, AMD likes history to repeat itsself with it's plans. Just like Socket on old process, shrink, new socket on old process, shrink, new socket...It would be interesting if we see manilla stay on am2 as the transition to 65nm and eventually 45nm AM3's. I wonder if we'll see 45nm AM2 semprons around that time.

Just unfounded speculation on what lies past the end of currently available roadmaps...Nothing more. ;)


By OrSin on 3/31/2006 2:13:32 PM , Rating: 1
Swmpron will stay 754 for long time, becuase of 2nd and 3rd world countries. Alot very low cost desktops and Laptop are still being design for these other markets. Plus the other markets don't want to go to DDR2. With sempron staying 754 the emerging markets will get very cheap systems for the next 5 years. I see $50 desktop for these countries in less then 2 years. Now you see why MS is making the XP lite. 1/2 billion new user in the emerging market in the next 3-5 years and MS want them on windows not linux but thats another story


By bob661 on 3/31/2006 2:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Swmpron will stay 754 for long time,
You didn't read the article, did you?


By Phynaz on 3/31/2006 2:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that, but he still thinks DDR is cheaper than DDR2.


By Magallanes on 4/4/2006 9:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
Currently i live in tha 3rd world country and use a 939 socket :-P

Also MS lite worth nothing, you can grab a copy of xp for $2 or buy a limited windows-se for more that $50..


S939 Sepmprons?
By firewolfsm on 3/31/2006 2:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
WTF?




RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By hans007 on 3/31/2006 3:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
there were 939 semprons made in 3000+ and 3200+ varieties.


You guys are awfully presumptious of socket AM-3. I seriously doubt that will come out that quickly. I'd guess 2008-2009 at the earliest.


RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By Samus on 3/31/2006 4:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
they're adding dual channel to s754, so i dont see a problem with sticking with it.

they managed to tweak the power consumption and memory controller interface of socket 939 to function on 754 pins...

its still unknown if it'll be backword compatible with legacy s754 boards, but i presume a bios update will be neccessary.


RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By bupkus on 3/31/2006 5:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
they managed to tweak the power consumption and memory controller interface of socket 939 to function on 754 pins...

I don't believe that is possible.


RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By bupkus on 3/31/2006 6:13:52 PM , Rating: 2
If the Sempron 754 (as it is today) lasts until the end of 2007 I have to wonder if discussions have taken place between AMD and memory chips makers to extend the life of DDR. This actually doesn't make sense to me as why would AMD require DDR for the Sempron into 2007? The point of the Sempron seems to be to operate with a single memory controller. A DDR2 Sempron makes more sense as it can be a nice transition for me to buy a second module of DDR2 to jump to a DDR2 dual memory channel CPU. Why would I want to stock up on DDR and then dump it for DDR2 when 2008 rolls around?
And if the Sempron is meant to be a budget CPU then why pay a penalty buying DDR so I can buy a cheaper CPU?
I have purchased my last processor using DDR as well as my last DDR memory. Anthing from here on will be DDR2.


RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By Wwhat on 3/31/2006 9:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
you say "Why would I want to stock up on DDR and then dump it for DDR2 when 2008 rolls around?"
Here's an alternative question for you: Why would people throw away the billions of dollar worth of perfectly good DDR1 they purchased so far to goto DDR2 that doesn't bring that many advantages at all?


RE: S939 Sepmprons?
By bupkus on 4/1/2006 1:14:25 AM , Rating: 2
Simply because Intel with its dominant market share will sell more DDR2 than AMD's Sempron with it's use of DDR can hope to match. That to me means the memory manufacturers will continue their dash to DDR2 whether it's better than DDR or not.

Infact, the memory boys will love the transition as that will inevitably make obsolete all the DDR they've sold us forcing us to buy DDR2 replacements. AMD's transition to DDR2 for their AM2 doesn't help hold back the tide either. I can't help but see a DDR2 Sempron coming whatever the socket.


5th Anniversary
By snedzad on 3/31/2006 10:58:03 AM , Rating: 2
At the end next year, s754 processors will be almost five years old. And that's good result for "budget" platform.




RE: 5th Anniversary
By SexyK on 3/31/2006 11:37:25 AM , Rating: 2
How do you figure almost 5 years? Wasnt s754 introduced in Q3 2003? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.


RE: 5th Anniversary
By snedzad on 3/31/2006 11:58:26 AM , Rating: 1
Well, you're right. Athlon 64 officialy launched Sept 23rd, 2003. Before that, there were many previews in Q203 and even Q103 by independent hardware websites. And Athlon 64 was delayed, right?
And I said "almost", it's relative. ;)


RE: 5th Anniversary
By smitty3268 on 3/31/2006 12:58:02 PM , Rating: 1
Well, Q3 2003 to Q4 2007 is almost 5 years.


RE: 5th Anniversary
By Brunnis on 4/1/2006 2:52:11 AM , Rating: 1
No, it's just over four years. Not even close to five. Christ...


RE: 5th Anniversary
By carl0ski on 4/4/2006 10:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, it's just over four years. Not even close to five. Christ...


Lol
who are you lashing out at?

you count by years not
2007 subtract 2003

released September 2003 = 0 years
September 2004 = 1 year
September 2005 = 2 years
September 2006 = 3 years
September 2007 = 4 years


Time really does fly.
the statement was probably made believing 754 came in early 2003
end 2003 = 1 year
end 2004 = 2 years
end 2005 = 3 years
end 2006 = 4 years
end 2007 = 5 years


More Typos
By JBird7986 on 3/31/2006 10:49:13 AM , Rating: 2
There is no such thing as Socket 935...it should be 939...and this error appears twice!




RE: More Typos
By Crescent13 on 3/31/2006 10:49:45 AM , Rating: 2
Lol beat me to it.


I WAS going to wait till 2007....
By bob661 on 3/31/2006 1:26:59 PM , Rating: 2
I WAS going to wait till 2007 to upgrade to AM2 but maybe I'll have to move it up a few months. Maybe Xmas time would be good.




Laptops ?
By Plasmoid on 3/31/2006 8:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
I can only assume that the logic behind this is that they need to keep Semperon Laptops around to compete with Celeron M laptops from Intel (and soon to be dirt cheap Pentium M's)

Socket AM2 will be good for laptops and will undoubtidly wipe out the socket 754 desktop market for good... but i doubt it will be available for the rock bottom prices of low-end laptops.

The continuation of socket 754 makes sense to me, but the killing of socket 939 doesnt. I guess AMD only has so much manufacturing capactity, and something had to give, because those venice cpu's are still selling like hot-cakes. Kinda gives me the creeps to find out that if my upgrade path on the 939 ladder could suddenly get expensive when chips start drying up. I just hope AMD knows what its doing and pumps enough of them out in time.




No semprons for 939 or AM2?
By kmmatney on 3/31/2006 11:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if this means no Semprons for 939 or AM2. I know there were a few 939 Sempons, but never for the general public. I'm way happy with my Sempron 2800+, at 2.45 GHz (on stock HSF), and sounds like I'll have some nice upgrade options next year.




By Merry on 4/6/2006 12:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
It seems that s939 has only just arrived and its being replaced.




s754 not too shabby
By m0mentary on 4/7/2006 4:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
looks like my s754 A64 3700 might last me a while longer than I expected.




DDT/Tombstone the AMD R&D!
By OTEKKENDURE on 4/8/2006 6:35:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD Roadmaps have socket 939 end of life (EOL) in Q4'06, while socket 754 is EOL Q4'07

This is grave. Why AMD has to pull this stunt I don't know. I built my beauty/beast with 939 ground up cos I thought that it would last longer than 754 out in the urban jungle. But no AMD turned the tables on me - man that's darkside business. Future proofing is hard enough without this s*** going on!




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