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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
Release date is in line with previous reports, holiday-season ready

Windows 7 will indeed be hitting in time for the holiday season.  The much-buzzed about operating system is set to inherit the operating system throne from the much-maligned Windows Vista, with general commercial availability starting on October 22 according to a Microsoft press release aired today.

Previous reports had come quite close to pegging the release date, with October 23 being the cited date in many reports.  Bill Veghte, senior vice president for Microsoft's Windows, helped announced the true date, stating, "We feel confident that we will deliver Windows 7 with our partners on Oct. 22."

Microsoft faces tremendous pressure with the release.  The company has been hounded by its investors in recent months for revenue drops related to the recession.  These investors are quick to note that Windows Vista, while a solid seller, failed to surpass Windows XP.

Despite these problems, Vista and other Windows operating systems accounted for roughly 30 percent of the company's $60B USD in sales in 2008.  Windows-based operating systems are currently installed on approximately 90 percent of the world's personal computers. 

For Microsoft, the finalized release date represents both good news and bad.  The good news is it will make the lucrative holiday shopping season, a frequent time for people to buy new systems.  The bad news is that it will miss the equally lucrative back-to-school shopping season, where parents and college students typically purchase systems.

Microsoft does face some pressure, too -- Apple will be releasing its Snow Leopard OS sometime this summer or fall, and Google recently announced that its Android OS was coming to netbooks, courtesy of Acer.  The challenges, for now, though are limited -- Windows 7 will almost certainly lead these next generation operating systems in sales.



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RE: Yeah.
By lotharamious on 6/2/2009 4:00:05 PM , Rating: 5
I think it had to do with a simple 3-letter word...

FUD

Everyone knows some "computer expert" that is also a "Vista expert" who likes to tell all their friends how horrible it is. Then we all found out that this "computer expert" doesn't really know anything about any operating system and then everyone realizes this "computer expert" is also a "dumb ass".


RE: Yeah.
By pequin06 on 6/2/2009 4:21:02 PM , Rating: 5
I remember standing in line at Microcenter and this older lady had just bought a new computer, never been out of the box and she was demanding an XP downgrade.
When asked what was wrong she gave the "I don't know, I just want XP. I heard Vista wasn't any good"
Yet her computer was still in the box.

*SIGH*

I'm glad the propaganda about Windows 95 never worked but of course the internet isn't what it is today.


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah.
By invidious on 6/2/2009 4:53:18 PM , Rating: 5
Had to do with him being a dumb ass


RE: Yeah.
By Alexstarfire on 6/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah.
By pequin06 on 6/2/2009 5:32:36 PM , Rating: 5
I was really bummed out when Quicken 99 didn't work on Vista.
I had years of data that I couldn't access anymore.
So what did I do? I got a new version of Quicken.
I hated it.
It was a big deal for me at the time. My backup files would not work. The data couldn't be read or wouldn't convert correctly to the new version of Quicken. Lost years of stuff.
So I said, "Well, I'll try MS Money." It sucked and didn't do much better. Then I looked into GNU Money or whatever it's called and that quickly passed as I said, "Linux? Yeah right!".

Did I blame Vista? No. It never crossed my mind that it has to be Vista's fault and that I should've stuck with XP.
I was using legacy software and you can only squeeze soo much time out of an older no longer supported piece of software.


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/2/2009 6:32:58 PM , Rating: 2
I might point out that you're really talking about something different. Having Vista and expecting full compatibility (however desirable) is one thing. But a person who doesn't WANT the upgrade to Vista and just wants to replace his broken machine with XP like the old one had -- happy with NOT getting the enhancements that the new OS provides (but still is given Vista by the store) is another.

Especially when XP was still being sold at the time.

Note that he was NOT an unhappy camper in the end, because he did get the OS replaced by the store with XP, which worked fine for him. Just that if someone asked him what he thought of Vista, they'd get negative comments -- ALL of which were perfectly valid.

P.S. - We've been using Quicken since it was a text-based application (pre-Gui). Its database has updated just fine since then and that data from forever ago is still there along with our current data (Quicken 2008 I think). But we're running XP still, so in your case Vista may or may not be involved -- but I'm surprised you lost data. Possibly it's because of the huge time-gap you had between versions (we're usually maybe 3~4 years between versions of Quicken).


RE: Yeah.
By Luticus on 6/2/2009 7:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
Can I expect my new machine to come fully equiped, driver ready and supported with widnows 3.1 on it... Because everything after that is just bloat... </sarcasm>

What the manufacturer loads is what the manufacturer loads, plenty of custom PC shops were, and probably still are, selling PC's with Windows XP on them.


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/3/2009 4:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
Like I said, when he bought his machine, XP machines were being sold at the same time, and not as a "downgrade" as it was in later years. When Vista was released, XP was not canceled from the marketplace simultaneously. It was at the time of that initial release that he had his problems. The very first release of Vista had problems for some people. It wasn't bug free, even if many here think it was (which brings up the question as to what the SP's are for if it was bug free to begin with).


RE: Yeah.
By Luticus on 6/3/2009 7:22:12 PM , Rating: 2
I don't ever tell anyone it was bug free. I just tell them that it isn't garbage like everyone makes it out to be... It was a new OS, of course it will have some glitches, the two SP's added features, patched potential security holes, and yes, fixed a few bugs.

Even I didn't switch from XP to Vista overnight. There was about a 6 month period when I was still using XP as my primary OS after I’d bought my first Vista copy. I did this because my main system was well established and had lots of software and hardware that didn't go over to Vista very easily. After finding numerous patches and “work arounds” for the software and replacing all out of date hardware I managed to switch fully, that computer to this day still dual boots though, just rarely to XP. It's since been replaced by a new "Master computer" (as I tend to call my main system) that is completely Vista x64 Ultimate. The new one does, however, use a virtual machine with XP on it for security reasons and also test purposes.

Anyone who doesn't anticipate a turbulent switch when they buy a brand new OS is in for a surprise. I did and therefore I had an easy time of it, lost no data, and managed to eventually get everything I need working in vista just fine. The only hardware I needed to replace was my TV tuner card which was about 5 years old at that point. My point is that these problems are not limited to Windows; this is with any operating system. I hear OS9 to OSX wasn't exactly smooth sailing either.


RE: Yeah.
By Luticus on 6/3/2009 7:23:28 PM , Rating: 2
Oops... I meant for the reply to my own post to be a reply to this post.


RE: Yeah.
By Donkeyshins on 6/3/2009 3:57:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Guess Battlefield 1942 is just a POS then.


No, but EA is for not releasing a patch to fix it for Vista.

quote:
...on top of other very unnecessary changes.


What changes, pray tell, are these? Better security? Improved UI? Improved network stack?


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/2/2009 6:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
He had some specialized software where the company that made it didn't exist anymore, but where the function was not something doable with some other company's. So no Vista upgrades were available. He had bought the new machine ONLY because his old one died gloriously and fully.

He also had some other software that didn't work, but Vista when it first came out had some Microsoft-known compatibility shortcomings that wasn't fixed until about a year later (after my friend had his Vista machine). Upgrading application software for that would not have helped at the time.

Someone may be a dumb ass, but it wasn't him. i'll let others reading this decide who is the dumb ass.

He's an electronic engineer, btw.


RE: Yeah.
By SavagePotato on 6/2/2009 6:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
Your friend wants to use specialized software that was made by a company that no longer exists then guess what, he better learn to suck it up or find new software.

This has no effect on grandma standing in a line demanding an xp downgrade because your friend told her vista sucks for a reason this stupid.

Yes your friend is a dumbass.

I am going to go one better and say you are as well.

Good day.


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/2/2009 6:34:50 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that he should have just bought new hardware and installed his old XP copy on his new hardware, but I think your position is elitist.


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/2/2009 6:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
P.S. - Unlike you, I prefer to be a dumb ass than a smart ass.


RE: Yeah.
By Luticus on 6/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/3/2009 4:56:26 PM , Rating: 2
Note that at no time (check my postings) did I say Vista Sucked. That is only your position. I think it's probably fine after the first SP. I gave no advice whatsoever in any direction -- I only described the problems and actions by someone I know. Something that's a matter of fact, not really arguable unless one thinks I'm making him up. Any conclusions were made by readers.

Vista got some bad vibes from those with problems upon the first release (first impressions are the strongest). Those who know people who had problems will shy away from it. I think that's natural -- but some here such as yourself think it isn't. You're entitled to your opinion based upon your experience, but others also are justified in their opinions based upon their experiences too. Just because it's made by Microsoft and is "new" doesn't mean it's automatically wonderful and bug free.

P.S. - I've some friends who are software design engineers at Microsoft, they're very smart and great engineers (I'm a HW engineer), but they'd be the first to admit that Microsoft software isn't perfect.


RE: Yeah.
By sbtech on 6/4/2009 7:27:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft software isn't perfect

Neither is Linux, OSX, OS400, and so on.

Your point being?


RE: Yeah.
By Oregonian2 on 6/7/2009 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
When Microsoft released Vista, there was an API for something (graphics related I think) that wasn't ready for release quite yet. Had been supported in XP, but the Vista version wasn't completed at that time they wanted to release it -- so they released Vista anyway. Applications that used that API stopped working, and upgrades from the vendor were pointless because it wasn't their problem. Microsoft knew about it upon release and said they'd release it later (which I think they did in the SP) -- but in the meanwhile everybody who had working software in XP and upgraded for whatever reason no longer could use those applications, and the ONLY possible fixes were to either go back to XP or to wait until the Vista version was released (meaning like a year later). Some of those who didn't use software requiring that API thought anybody complaining was a whimpy cryer and an anti-progress anti-microsoft idiot. Those who did use such software did NOT like Vista at the time nor those who belittled them for not loving Vista despite their predicament.


RE: Yeah.
By Luticus on 6/4/2009 9:45:15 AM , Rating: 2
I think I mistook someone else’s post for one of your earlier posts and got confused after reading down this far about who said what. I was in a hurry, what can I say...

Sorry for anything in my earlier post that doesn't apply to you... basically sorry for the whole post. :-)

I know I can be a bit outspoken sometimes, especially when I feel strongly about a particular topic, but I’m always will to admit when I screw up. I think that's a good thing.


RE: Yeah.
By rudolphna on 6/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah.
By Aloonatic on 6/2/2009 4:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
That's just it, an "older customer". These people (and many others) probably buy the same clothes, the same type of coffee, have the same thing to eat every Monday, see the same friends on Thursdays, the same.... They don't like change. Also, that copy of XP was probably the first that they have really got to grips with and managed to make that new fangled computer work on. They don't want to have to start all over again, or even the think that they will have to.

That represents a bit of a challenge to the marketing peeps if they want people like the lady you refer to to switch over as they want to know that Vista/7 will be similar to XP and all they have learnt using XP wont be wasted, whilst also convincing them that it's different and they really need to move on and adopt it.


RE: Yeah.
By sxr7171 on 6/2/2009 10:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well you can install Vista and make it look like XP in nearly every way if you wish.


RE: Yeah.
By Aloonatic on 6/3/2009 2:37:14 AM , Rating: 3
Well, not really.

Never underestimate the confusion that simple changes to start menu layouts, placement of icons, the icons themselves and even the text under the exact same icon, can cause the general/casual user.


RE: Yeah.
By Belard on 6/3/2009 5:40:44 AM , Rating: 2
While *I* do not like Vista, I do recommend that a person buying it for home use with todays computers should at least give it a try... after all, $350 gets you a decent dualcore/3GB PC nowadays for an entry computer. Yeah, there are $285~300 PCs with Celerons and DCP with 1~2GB that are simple not worth it.

- - -

Windows95 Sucked ass big time. But it was MS's first consumer GUI OS. So while it crashed a lot, did a lot of stupid things (cannot locate modem driver, reload modem driver, retry?) It required constant re-installations, about every 3-6 months. Win98 was much better and SE was the best of the Win9x series.

In many ways, even XP has aspects of "This is more out-dated than Amiga".

For the typical home user today, Vista should be fine. But for many of us, it offers nothing.


RE: Yeah.
By saiga6360 on 6/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah.
By birdshot80 on 6/2/2009 5:31:07 PM , Rating: 4
Uh, I bought Vista the week it came out and it ran just fine on my single core Athlon64 3700+ with 1 GB of RAM before I later upgraded. I also installed XP the day after it went gold on my 1.2 Ghz Thunderbird & 256 MB RAM. Both times I enjoyed the new experience and only encountered minor problems with my sound cards(both times caused by Creative's crappy drivers) So maybe the OS didn't suck. Maybe your PC sucked. Maybe you sucked. And if you are just regurgitating someone else's opinion, then maybe you suck for taking their word for it.

Baaaa!


RE: Yeah.
By saiga6360 on 6/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah.
By fcx56 on 6/3/2009 3:20:43 AM , Rating: 3
Finally, go piss and moan someplace else for all of our convienence, including yours.

One day if you are open minded enough to revise your own version of history you'll realize that a majority of the problems were with lazy third parties waiting until the very last minute and usually another minute again afterwords to release proper drivers under the new driver models. I feel as bad for anyone with a Creative soundcard during this whole process (speaking from experience) as the people that read your pointless rant and were tasked with saving us all by downrating it.


RE: Yeah.
By CrimsonFrost on 6/3/2009 11:17:10 AM , Rating: 2
I call BS on that, I had literally the exact same setup as you. I thought I was the only poor sap trying to run it on that crap (for Vista anyhow) and it was horribly slow, couldn't play HD videos very well (lots of stuttering, etc etc), didn't like when I tried to run multiple programs at once, if I played music for instance it pretty much guaranteed that I shouldn't be doing anything else. Don't get me wrong, I like Vista a lot, but with a single core CPU and only 1 gig of RAM, shooting yourself in the foot would be a much better use of your time.


RE: Yeah.
By AlexWade on 6/2/2009 4:46:52 PM , Rating: 3
FUD was one factor. But what I found to be a big reason for Vista's bad reputation is people were attempting to install it on a computer with the minimum hardware specs. That ain't going to fly with Vista or Windows 7. So the net result was a computer struggling to do all the new stuff Vista does and being bogged down. And then people say that Vista sucks but in reality their computer sucks. People don't realize Vista is doing more than XP. So in their ignorance with the cheap or old computer they spread misinformation to others. Then the media picks up on it because, as Don Henley sang about, they need dirty laundry. The result is a self-perpetuating negative image.

With enough memory, Vista is really good. The extras on it do make life easier, such as the search box in the start menu and control panel. But those extras come with a cost of resources.

Having said all that, Windows 7 is a lot better than Vista. Perhaps Microsoft best consumer OS ever.


RE: Yeah.
By Alphafox78 on 6/2/2009 4:57:41 PM , Rating: 4
Win7 flys on my lowly P4 with 2GB of ram..
(its a WORK computer) *ashamed*


RE: Yeah.
By MonkeyPaw on 6/2/2009 6:06:02 PM , Rating: 2
That's more RAM than what's on my work PC. I just talked them into a 1GB upgrade last year. Before that, it had just 256mb--running shared graphics and Windows XP! And people wondered why some businesses passed on Vista...


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