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Gateway NX100 - Image courtesy CNET
Gateway shows off its ULV Core Solo based notebook ahead of Intel's official announcement

Gateway has jumped the gun a bit by offering its NX100 notebook which is powered by Intel's Ultra Low Voltage Core Solo processors. We first brought you word of the processors back in February. The Yonah-based processors clock in at 1.06GHz and 1.2GHz on a 533MHz bus, feature 2MB of L2 cache and cost $241 and $262 respectively in 1k quantities.

The 12.1" notebooks weighs just over three pounds, is less than an inch thick and will start at $1,399. That price includes a 12.1” WXGA screen, 2 USB ports, a Firewire port and a built-in 5-in-1 media reader. A variant aimed at businesses, the E-100M, will be start $200 higher.

The NX100 features Intel's Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) Core Solo U1300 CPU.  Interestingly enough, Intel has not announced this processor yet and the press embargo is still several weeks away -- April 16th.  In the past, Intel has moved up the launch dates of its processors when a major system builder releases the specifications early.

Here's a quote from CNET's review of the new NX100:

Like many ultraportables, the NX100's touch pad and mouse buttons are small but functional; left-handed mousers should note that the right button is a bit smaller than the left button. The system lacks a dedicated scroll button, but the touch pad does have an unmarked scroll function. While other laptops include external volume controls and Wi-Fi on/off switches, the NX100's simple case design affords only a power button above the keyboard.


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Little advancement
By littlebitstrouds on 3/30/2006 1:59:07 PM , Rating: 5
I got a Sharp UM laptop about four years ago using a pIII low voltage at 1ghz. Now while these chips might have faster fsb and some other features... my laptop is like 2.1lbs and less than an inch thick. Why is it that it's not outdated yet? I really don't see that many advancements in this field at all. I've got 2 usb 2.0 slots, a CF reader and even firewire.

This is not that exciting to me. Someone please explain if i'm far off.




RE: Little advancement
By ghuoof on 3/30/2006 2:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
good point
i bet the screen looks better at least...


RE: Little advancement
By doughtree on 3/30/2006 2:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
oh yeah? But how much did you pay?


RE: Little advancement
By DallasTexas on 3/30/06, Rating: -1
RE: Little advancement
By jbs181818 on 3/30/2006 2:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
since when does core solo with the same mhz and slightly faster fsb equal 6x faster then p3?


RE: Little advancement
By Wahsapa on 3/30/2006 3:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
since core solo came out this year and the p3 came out in like 1996...


RE: Little advancement
By NullSubroutine on 3/30/2006 5:23:23 PM , Rating: 2
it has many many feature enhancements. its faster, and probably uses less power (per cpu).

in answer to the guy above, you dont neeed to upgrade your laptop if it does what you want. but not all people have laptops, or like me i have a mobile/desktop replacement. if i wasnt a poor college student i would get something like that for pure portability and battery life. (unlike my 17inch monster which lasts 2.5 hours)


RE: Little advancement
By SunAngel on 3/30/2006 2:38:23 PM , Rating: 3
You teh man. Technology is doing its 360 degree thing right now. You must be awfully glad marketing didn't sucker you into upgrading.


RE: Little advancement
By UNCjigga on 3/30/2006 3:04:46 PM , Rating: 3
Two words: battery life


RE: Little advancement
By azeari on 3/30/06, Rating: 0
RE: Little advancement
By lemonadesoda on 3/31/2006 3:55:43 AM , Rating: 2
*************************************
BENCHMARKS for the interested LAPTOPS ONLY
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Using Fresh Diagnose v7.30 (free to register), I have the following results for my (in daily use for emails) SONY Z600.

Technology = P3, 650MHz, ATA33, 256MB PC100, NeoMagic 256XL
OS = Windows 2003
Processor (MDIPS) = 1,962
Multimedia = 794
Memory (integer)= 3,270
Display (text) = 147,000
Hard Drive (read) = 10mb/s

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Rather than filling this thread with hundreds of benchmarks, please only post if you can submit a unique laptop generational change CPU not previously posted. ie. an ultra-low voltage P3 >1.0Ghz, a P4, a P4M, and dual core. That means, there should not be more than 4 additional posts.


RE: Little advancement
By Dog Meatson on 3/31/2006 2:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
*************************************
BENCHMARKS for the interested LAPTOPS ONLY
*************************************

Using Fresh Diagnose v7.30 (free to register), I have the following results for my (in daily use for emails and occasional use for CivIV) Inspiron 9300.

Technology = P4M, 1.86GHz, ATA 133, 1GB DDR2, 256MB GeForce™ Go 6800
OS = Windows XP Pro
Processor (MDIPS) = 6837
Multimedia = 3432
Memory (integer assignment)= 91,938
Display (text) = 1,609,547
Hard Drive (read) = 15.68mb/s

Just as an aside, list price of $2200 before discounts (shipped at $1356). Thought that might be interesting to compare performance per dollar over the years...

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RE: Little advancement
By Dog Meatson on 3/31/2006 2:37:10 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, it's Windows XP Media Center, not Pro.


Analysis
By lemonadesoda on 4/2/2006 6:37:50 PM , Rating: 2
Comparison of P3-650 vs. P4M-1860:

I used the following synthetic statistic, to reflect a "how does it feel to the user" index. The highest weighting was given to the "weakest link" since this is what will slow the machine down the most, and reflect what the machine feels like to the user:

weight 50% - HDD
weight 50% - other benchmarks

The index was determined by looking at the average of the logs of the relative performance between the two machines. Logs are used to reduce the effects of outliers. (e.g. GPU is 108x as fast)

Results:
P3-650 index 100
P4M-1860 index 480 (ie. 4.8x as fast)

Given that the P3-650 cost approx $3000 in 2001, and comparing to a cost of $1800 for the P4M-1860 today, then the performance/cost is exactly 8.0x.

This fits nicely with Moore's law, which states that you get double the power every 18 months or so. In 5 years we now get 8.0x the power per dollar.


Benchmark....
By Chadder007 on 3/30/2006 2:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
I think it would be neat to see a Low Voltage Pentium III at 1ghz compared/benchmarked to one of these Core Solo Low Votage ones at 1ghz. Anyone agree?




RE: Benchmark....
By margon on 3/30/2006 3:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
I agree the P3 would be sufficient for checking your email on the road but I can't believe it would be anywhere close in performance.


RE: Benchmark....
By Wahsapa on 3/30/2006 3:58:39 PM , Rating: 2
no, ill just save you the time of reading an article with that comparison... the core solo f'in killed the PIII.

p3 was on what? 25, 18 nm when its life ended? slots, sd ram, 166mhz fsb... sounds great


RE: Benchmark....
By PT2006 on 3/30/2006 4:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
p3 was on what? 25, 18 nm when its life ended?

Add a zero to each of those.


RE: Benchmark....
By NullSubroutine on 3/30/2006 5:26:46 PM , Rating: 2
you also will be comparing ddr2 vs pc133/100/66. so it cant truely be apples to apples. i will venture to say, even similarily equipped the new halt-states vs old side step will provide longer battery life as well as the ddr2.

you will also see increase of performance because of the memory bandwidth and cache size, not to mention things like sse2, ss3, and the numerous other enhancements.


RE: Benchmark....
By NullSubroutine on 3/30/2006 5:27:25 PM , Rating: 1
my counterpoint to myself...if you just doing word and internet, really all this speed increase makes no difference.


RE: Benchmark....
By phaxmohdem on 3/30/2006 6:26:03 PM , Rating: 3
Who the hell cares that the Solo Smokes the PIII.... I still want to see the numbers just for amusements sake. See how far the optimized PIII (solo) is above its older brother.


Mobile Pentium 3
By dsio on 4/4/2006 5:43:17 AM , Rating: 2
It should be noted that there were many generations of Pentium 3 before it ended its lifespan. It didn't end on 180nm either contrary to popular belief.

The original Mobile Pentium 3 was a 180nm chip, that was available in speeds from 400-1000Mhz. It was rather heavy on power, and was nothing special compared to a regular desktop Pentium 3.

Intel then released the Mobile Pentium 3 - M (note, MP3-M as opposed to the original which was just MP3). The dash M models were based on the tualtin core, 130nms, and used considerably lower voltage.

The Mobile Pentium 3-M has 44Million transistors as opposed to 28Million in the original Mobile Pentium 3. It had a 512k cache, as opposed to the 256k cache on the original, and it shares the power preservation technologies that the Pentium M had.

Clock for clock, a 1Ghz MP3-M is 33-50% faster than a 1Ghz MP3. It was still being built into laptops as late as 2005. Essentially, the MP3-M is closer in design and performance to the Pentium M than it is to the original Pentium 3. Mind you, if the Mobile Pentium 4 hadn't turned out to be a complete and utter turd of a CPU, the 130nm Pentium 3 would never have been needed.

So, Pentium 3s are not dead :) My 1.2Ghz Mobile Pentium 3 - M is faster than my work's Pentium 4, and lasts for 5 hours on a single battery. I couldnt ask for more.




RE: Mobile Pentium 3
By lemonadesoda on 4/4/2006 5:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
dsio,

Please conduct the Fresh Diagnose benchmarks as shown in previous posts. I will then do a comparison, P3-650, your P3M, and the P4M-1860.


RE: Mobile Pentium 3
By dsio on 4/5/2006 4:25:13 AM , Rating: 2
*************************************
BENCHMARKS for the interested LAPTOPS ONLY
*************************************

Using Fresh Diagnose v7.30 (free to register), running off a power point, at full speed, Dell C400.

Technology = MP3-M, 1200MHz, ATA100, 512MB PC133, Intel 82830M
OS = Windows XP Professional
Processor (MDIPS) = 4,066
Multimedia = 1685
Memory (integer)= 3,808
Display (text) = 566,050
Hard Drive (read) = 19.3mb/s

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RE: Mobile Pentium 3
By lemonadesoda on 4/14/2006 9:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
MODEL SONY Z600
CPU P3-650
Approx cost USD 3000

CPU (MDIPS): 1,962
Multimedia: 794
Memory (integer Assignment): 3,270
Display (text): 147,000
Hard Drive (read): 10.00

INDEX to SONY
CPU (MDIPS): 100
Multimedia: 100
Memory (integer Assignment): 100
Display (text): 100
Hard Drive (read): 100

Weighted Average: 100
Weighted Average / MHz: 100
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MODEL DELL C400
CPU P3M-1200
Approx cost

CPU (MDIPS): 4,066
Multimedia: 1,685
Memory (integer Assignment): 3,808
Display (text): 566,050
Hard Drive (read): 19.30

INDEX to SONY
CPU (MDIPS): 207
Multimedia: 212
Memory (integer Assignment): 116
Display (text): 385
Hard Drive (read): 193

Weighted Average: 212
Weighted Average / MHz: 115
***************************
MODEL Inspiron 9300
CPU P4M-1860
Approx cost USD 1800

CPU (MDIPS): 6,837
Multimedia: 3,432
Memory (integer Assignment): 91,938
Display (text): 1,609,547
Hard Drive (read): 15.68

INDEX to SONY
CPU (MDIPS): 348
Multimedia: 432
Memory (integer Assignment): 2812
Display (text): 1095
Hard Drive (read): 157

Weighted Average: 664
Weighted Average / MHz: 232
***************************
MODEL MSI Neo2
CPU P4-3000
Approx cost USD 800

CPU (MDIPS): 7,146
Multimedia: 2,544
Memory (integer Assignment): 32,111
Display (text): 627,861
Hard Drive (read): 44.88

INDEX to SONY
CPU (MDIPS): 364
Multimedia: 320
Memory (integer Assignment): 982
Display (text): 427
Hard Drive (read): 449

Weighted Average: 486
Weighted Average / MHz: 105
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MODEL Home Build ITX
(I just finished building this yesterday, all components from ebay)
CPU P4M-1500
Approx cost less than USD 400

CPU (MDIPS): 5,600
Multimedia: 2,902
Memory (integer Assignment): 70,880
Display (text): 659,862
Hard Drive (read): 29.42

INDEX to SONY
CPU (MDIPS): 285
Multimedia: 365
Memory (integer Assignment): 2168
Display (text): 449
Hard Drive (read): 294

Weighted Average: 556
Weighted Average / MHz: 241
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Little advancement
By raf717 on 3/30/2006 3:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
Todays processors can do more work per clock cycle so a higher clock speed does not necessarily equal a faster processor unless it is within the same family. An Athlon 64 3000+ will perform the same as a Pentium 4 3.0 (Prescott) Ghz. but the clock speed in an Atlhon 64 3000+ (venice) is 1.8 ghz. This also gives you a cooler processor which in tern needs less energy to cool down. So if you put a new Intel Core Solo next to a P3 and benchmark both, the Core Solo will still outperform the P3 while using less energy Final result is a faster computer, longer battery life, cooler and lighter laptop since the battery can be even smaller and still provide enough power to work for the same amount of time than its counterpart.




RE: Little advancement
By Xavian on 4/2/2006 5:09:28 AM , Rating: 2
Market numbers (such as 3000+) dont mean anything anymore, a athlon64 3000+ could perform better then a P4 3.0 (prescott though, northwoods were awesome for their time)

market numbers only meant a thing in the era of athlon xp's and P4 Northwoods :)


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