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Do we really need another media standard to worry about?

Last week three distinct entities from different parts of the world, Sprout CD of Ukraine, Russia-based Antrop-Studio, and the Dutch firm VDL ODMS, came together to introduce a new high definition format media called VCDHD, or Versatile Compact Disc High Density, which is said to compete with the current DVD standards.

VCDHD holds just as much data as curent single sided DVDs at about 4.7GB, but what the format leaves out is licensing requirements that our good old DVDs hold. According to VCDHD.com the VCDHD media is half the thickness of regular DVDs but are backwards compatible with current DVD players.

Other upsides to VCDHD over DVD, according to VCDHD.com, are the "reduction of errors in the beginning of the information zone" which is possible by an improved manufacturing process and overall improvements in the geometry of the disc. The materials used in manufcturing these discs are also said to not only make the media more reliable, but also to reduce the production time from 6-9 seconds it takes to manufacture a DVD to about 2 seconds to make a VCDHD disc. The rejection level is also decreased to about 1% compared to current processes.

Blu-ray and HD-DVD players and movies are set to launch within the next few months and many are already sick of the format war between them. Since these two formats are the top dogs in the media wars it will be impossible for any other formats to be adopted, let alone make make an entrance onto the playing field.


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Gotta support this one
By lemonadesoda on 3/30/2006 5:45:47 PM , Rating: 5
In a world of opensource and linux, I vote for licence-free VCDHD.

Blue-ray and HD-DVD got here too late. If it had arrived 18 months ago, I would have bought one for backing up my PC and servers.

As it happens, the new formats are not large enough to span even one HDD drive. Backing up becomes a real pain. Multiple DVD (whatever format) need to be installed. Multiple blanks of the new format are also expensive.

And in the meantime, HDD prices have dropped and densities have got higher.

RESULT: I have now bought a network storage device dedicated to BACKUPs only. No need for tapes, CDs, DVD, HDDVD etc. Just run the backup software and it quietly runs in the background without the need for a user to insert disk blanks etc. No need for labelling or additional shelving.

Since we have all got used to watching DivX movies, and one DVD can fit onto one CD... I'm sure one high-def 1080 movie could fit onto a single DVD when DivX'ed.

So therefore, I want faster cheaper more reliable DVD. And if it can do 15GB then great. VCDHD seems to fit the bill.




RE: Gotta support this one
By logan77 on 3/31/2006 3:38:05 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly! If it's capable of delivering DVD amount of information with red laser tech. -> license fee free <- than it's all I need ... apart maybe from 15 GB on a blue laser, but HD-DVD/Blue Ray Disc ? - thank's but not (they already divided cake between themselves). And since both formats have recently delayed it's respective market debuts than maybe there is time for VCDHD to gain momentum ?


RE: Gotta support this one
By masher2 (blog) on 3/31/2006 8:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
> "RESULT: I have now bought a network storage device dedicated to BACKUPs only. No need for tapes, CDs, DVD, HDDVD etc"

Near-line storage isn't a backup. What happens when your site burns down or gets hit by a tornado? Without a tape or disc to take offsite, you're still vulnerable.


RE: Gotta support this one
By Zoomer on 3/31/2006 9:20:03 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, Blu-Ray and HDDVD are alerady using h.264, which is superior to divx, about a 25% difference, too.


NO we can fit it all on 4.7
By kelkins on 3/30/06, Rating: 0
RE: NO we can fit it all on 4.7
By CitizenKain on 3/30/2006 3:30:34 PM , Rating: 2
No, most of the space on a DVD is video and audio.


RE: NO we can fit it all on 4.7
By Knish on 3/30/2006 3:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
I think there are actually already blu-ray rips on newsgroups


RE: NO we can fit it all on 4.7
By Decaydence on 3/30/2006 3:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
Why would anyone come on here and say that most of a dvd is copy protection? It blows my mind that someone with that little knowledge about the most basic technology would make claims on a technology website. It would be like me going on to a forum for doctors and making outlandish statements of certainty about how the heart is 45% fire based and the human stomach is filled with stones that grind up the food we eat. I can only hope your comment was tongue-in-cheek and I just missed it.

BTW, Blu-ray rips are NOT on newsgroups. Would be kind of hard to rip a disc without a drive that can read it.


???
By Lampshadekiller on 3/30/2006 3:38:23 PM , Rating: 2
Isnt it a little early for an april fools?




RE: ???
By DigitalFreak on 3/30/2006 4:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't have to be April for them to be a Fool.


RE: ???
By bob661 on 3/30/2006 7:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It doesn't have to be April for them to be a Fool.
Ha!


More useless plastic.
By Clauzii on 3/30/2006 9:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
As anybody would gain from this? - nahhh - I´ll pass.




RE: More useless plastic.
By hwhacker on 3/31/2006 11:45:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, you know....While HD/BLU players are yet to be available, and when they are will be well over-priced for the average amigo for quite some time (probably until PS3 causes a price war on stand-alone players) it would be terrible in the meantime to have a DVD disk that:

1. costs less to manufacture (cheaper)
2. Gives less errors.
3. Works on current gen players (and could be burned on current gen burners?)

Yeah...That would be terrible.... :P


By Netscorer on 3/30/2006 4:30:40 PM , Rating: 3
I saw the original presentation of the new format and one feature they advertised most over the others was that the new format would allow disks to be manufactured in the way they may be bent without the risk of being broken and would have much higher scratch resistance comparing to the current DVD disks. This may be very useful for the rental video as the life of the disk would be much longer.
For what it's worth




Another format?!?
By OutsidaII on 3/30/2006 3:13:55 PM , Rating: 2
Do we really need anymore formats? Besides wasn't the whole point of the new formats to fit more on a disc. 4.7GB is not enough room for high def.




New Format?
By Scorpion on 3/30/2006 3:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
This appears to me to be more of an improved manufacturing process and less of a revolutionary new data format. Some of the features seem interesting.

To me this doesn't seem to really be a new competing standard, but ideas that could plausibly be integrated into the manufacturing techniques of new and current media.




Did anyone actually read the article
By OrSin on 3/30/2006 3:39:15 PM , Rating: 2
Firs the new format cost alot less. You pay no fees to use it and it can be made faster with less errors. And the other thing the foll left out is that if you use a bleu laser (either HD-DVD or BlueRay) it can hold 15GB in a single layer. This media could play in both next gen. players but the media should cost 1/10th the price.

The biggest problem right now with both formats is they are charging very high lincense fees. Why do you think thier a format war. It not over who's is the best format its over who get to charge fees for ever disc.




chinese
By Wwhat on 3/30/2006 9:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't this that chinese thing? the chinese are currently aggressively designing their own version of all systems and formats to get away from what they feel is a crippling licensing system for all the existing and upcoming stuff.
I guess it's a combination of the enormously growing local market combined with the need to clean up the previous system of looking the other way a bit when rights came in question in the asian regions seeing that their growth and move to capitalism means they have to adapt to integrate into western ways somewhat.






Confusion
By knowyourenemy on 3/30/2006 11:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
I swore the headline was talking about a HD-VCD. How bad would that be?




Article Quality Going Downhill
By VirtualName on 3/31/2006 3:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
How does DailyTech/AnandTech expect to become a professional news organization with such terrible articles and descriptions? Even if this was an April Fools joke (though it's only 3/31/06), the article is a mess! First, the subject of the article must go. If VCDHD is equivalent to DVD media, then it's not an alternative or competitor to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. If VCDHD media was a competitor to DVD media, then it would require a VCDHD player, not a DVD player. Since it only requires a DVD player, it's merely a different media format manufactured on a different process and this is hardly news. And it has nothing to do with high definition media like Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. It can only be considered high definition if you think DVD is still high definition.




Article Quality Going Downhill
By VirtualName on 3/31/2006 3:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
How does DailyTech/AnandTech expect to become a professional news organization with such terrible articles and descriptions? Even if this was an April Fools joke (though it's only 3/31/06), the article is a mess! First, the subject of the article must go. If VCDHD is equivalent to DVD media, then it's not an alternative or competitor to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. If VCDHD media was a competitor to DVD media, then it would require a VCDHD player, not a DVD player. Since it only requires a DVD player, it's merely a different media format manufactured on a different process and this is hardly news. And it has nothing to do with high definition media like Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. It can only be considered high definition if you think DVD is still high definition. Anandtech should proof read their articles before posting them.




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