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The Army has decided to upgrade all of its computers, like those shown here (at the NCO Academy's Warrior Leaders Course) to Windows Vista. It says the adoption will increase its security and improve standardization. It also plans to upgrade from Office 2003 to Office 2007. As many soldiers have never used Vista or Office '07, it will be providing special training to bring them up to speed.  (Source: U.S. Army)
Army will upgrade all its computers to Vista by December

For those critics who bill Microsoft's Windows Vista a commercial failure for failing to surpass Windows XP in sales, and inability to capitalize in the netbook market, perhaps they should reserve judgment a bit longer.  Just as Windows 7 hype is reaching full swing in preparation for a October release, the U.S. Army announced that like many large organizations, it will wait on upgrading to Windows 7.  However, unlike some, it is planning a major upgrade -- to Windows Vista.

The U.S. Army currently has 744,000 desktop computers, most of which run Windows XP.  Currently only 13 percent of the computers have upgraded to Windows Vista, according Dr. Army Harding, director of Enterprise Information Technology Services.

It announced in a press release that it will be upgrading all of the remaining systems to Windows Vista by December 31st.  The upgrade was mandated by a Fragmentary Order published Nov. 22, 2008.

In addition to Windows Vista, the Army's version of Microsoft's Office will also be upgraded.  As with Windows, the Army is forgoing the upcoming new version -- Office 2010 -- in favor to an upgrade to Office 2007.  Currently about half of the Army's computers run Office 2003 and half run Office 2007.

The upgrade will affect both classified and unclassified networks.  Only standalone weapons systems (such as those used by nuclear depots) will remain unchanged.  Dr. Harding states, "It's for all desktop computers on the SIPR and NIPRNET."

Army officials cite the need to bolster Internet security and standardize its information systems as key factors in selecting a Windows Vista upgrade.  Likewise, they believe that an upgrade to Office 2007 will bring better document security, and easier interfacing to other programs, despite the steeper learning curve associate with the program (which is partially due to the new interface, according to reviewers).

Sharon Reed, chief of IT at the Soldier Support Institute, says the Army will provide resources to help soldiers learn the ropes of Windows Vista.  She states, "During this process, we are offering several in-house training sessions, helpful quick-tip handouts and free Army online training."

The U.S. Army will perhaps be the largest deployment of Windows Vista in the U.S.  Most large corporations keep quiet about how many Windows Vista systems versus Windows XP systems they've deployed.  However, past surveys and reports indicate that most major businesses have declined to fully adopt Windows Vista.  Likewise, U.S. public schools and other large government organizations have only, at best, partially adopted of Vista.


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Man I can already feel the headache...
By Wightout on 5/23/2009 7:52:54 PM , Rating: 2
Im in the Army.

The manuals we use for our maintenance are all on computers (Dell laptops that are 3+ years old). It runs slow with XP on it.

Can't imagine how well these machines are gonna hold up with vista on it... =/




RE: Man I can already feel the headache...
By Belard on 5/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: Man I can already feel the headache...
By callmeroy on 5/26/2009 8:34:29 AM , Rating: 5
I hate comments like that....

The comments are mean ones that imply the daily posters to this board are more knowledgeable and can figure out a "problem" (or if the case may be...a "solution") within 5 minutes of reading an article on some website, as if the trained professionals at the company being talked about (in this case the US Army) aren't as bright as said forum posters are...

The whole notion is ridiculous to me....I'm well sure that the Army are extremely aware of the performance issues with running Vista on machines with a given hardware spec. I'm pretty sure the organization charged with the defense of 300+ million Americans can at least talk to one knowledgeable IT guy......

I mean come on...if its a story on a "mom and pop" shop that's doing some silly, that's one thing -- but jeez...the military not knowing how to install Windows on a machine that will run it properly....that's simply moronic.


By afkrotch on 5/26/2009 8:50:24 AM , Rating: 2
Those who actual maintain the systems know that this is a bad move. The problem is, the ppl who make the decisions to push this forward.

I'm in the Airforce and there's always someone who makes these kind of stupid decisions. We have so many startup scripts, logon scripts, etc that run on our machines that from pushing the button to actually being able to do something on the desktop will take anywhere from 2 - 10 mins.

I'm using an E6400 C2D with 4 gigs of memory, Quadro card, and 160 gig hdd right now. It's one of our work comps. It takes me almost 3 mins to boot up and start using Windows. Under a standard, non-militarized install, the same process would take all of like 10 seconds.


RE: Man I can already feel the headache...
By marvdmartian on 5/26/2009 10:10:32 AM , Rating: 3
Can't say how the army is, but since I work for another DoD branch, I can say how my computer at work is, and I agree with your assessment that the computers will need some fairly decent upgrading.
My computer at work is an Athlon 64-3500+ with 1GB of ram, running Windows XP (SP3) and Office 2007. Normally, that would be just fine for everyday word processing, e-mail, and other office related activities, if you're running a normal version of windows and office, with everyday security programs installed.
However, I think the problem isn't so much with the hardware, but rather the half-crippled software they put on the machines. For reasons of security, Uncle doesn't want a standard form of Windows on his computers (of course, we wouldn't want our soldiers, sailors, marines & airmen playing solitaire, would we??). I fully understand why they do that.
But what it does is take a computer that should be able to handle the OS they put on it, and cripple it with so much "security" that it runs like a hog. Seriously, it takes upwards of 5 minutes for me to log on, wait for all the security reminder pop-ups, start up Outlook, and get it to check for new e-mail, AFTER I log on!! Believe me, it's oftentimes frustrating using that machine, when it seems to take twice as long to accomplish any task!

IMHO, the government should, at the very least, look to upgrade any computer (or replace it with a new unit), BEFORE they upgrade the operating system. But since DoD is notoriously slow in upgrading, I won't hold my breath. Oh, and believe it or not, the computer I use at work is considered "new" as of 3 years ago, when they upgraded me from a 1.3GHZ machine running 256mb of ram, which had been an upgrade from 2 years previously, when I ran a 500MHz machine with 256mb of ram in it. Yeah.....


RE: Man I can already feel the headache...
By wallijonn on 5/26/2009 11:59:41 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
My computer at work is an Athlon 64-3500+ with 1GB of ram


I think you'll find that the latest Win7 candidate flys on that hardware configuration.


By adiposity on 5/26/2009 12:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think you'll find that the latest Win7 candidate flys on that hardware configuration.


With nothing else installed, maybe. But that was not the problem...I'm sure XP was quite fast on that machine with a clean install, too.

-Dan


By Kaldor on 5/26/2009 3:54:16 PM , Rating: 2
Your forgetting about the mountain of crap that DoD probably installs on these PCs... 1 gig of ram is no where near enough ram on a workstation.


By extraflamey22 on 5/26/2009 4:52:55 PM , Rating: 3
I'm a network administrator at a USAF base. I'm sure this varies across the different branches, but I received the following machine a month ago as a "Quarterly Buy" to replace my old XP workhorse, and there's already an updated configuration available that's better than this one.

Windows Vista Enterprise SP1
AMD Phenom 8600B Triple-Core Processor 2.3GHz
4.00GB RAM
ATI Radeon 3100
WD 160GB HD

From the login screen to reading email in Outlook takes about 1 minute 20 seconds, with local DCs and remote Exchange servers, and this is after NAS authentication to the domain. Honestly, it just sounds like your ADPE shop/Resource Advisors aren't doing their jobs and keeping your workstations up to date.

From an administration stand-point, Vista is a huge improvement over XP. SMS/SCCM is vastly more dependable with Vista, MSRA is now built-in instead of being tacked on in XP, and Vista plays much nicer with multiple CAC readers when interfacing with the UAC and our PKI infrastructure.

Granted, there are some user-education issues with a new OS, but you're always going to have users who are just not tech-inclined, and aren't willing to expend the minimal effort required to learn something new.


By krumph on 5/27/2009 3:22:39 PM , Rating: 1
I am retired Army and work in IT and thats a bad move by the Army. Vista sucks rock bottom. We have test laptop that has 4 gig of ram and the performance is really bad. windows98 runs fasters than vista. good luck to you all. another bad decision by the Army.


By Dfere on 5/29/2009 8:50:51 AM , Rating: 2
As compared to what?
I just saw a friend who is a bookkeeper, she is still running XP with a 2.3 MHz celeron and only 256 MB of RAM. Because she runs her own business. I'm upgrading the RAM as much as possible for her now.

I use a two year old Vostro for my daily work needs, and I digitize all documents. I'm constantly running scanning software while running tax and accounting programs and haven't hit too much of a delay... on a notebook.

The Army isn't Anandtech. It isn't up to the ARMY to give you the latest and greatest hardware.

I only recently upgraded my home processor (which I do casual gaming and work on) from 1.8 MHZ to almost 3. From the posts here, if true, show the ARMY is spending more per soldier than is needed for average gaming, and is at least on par or better than the tax and accounting departments of even large manufacturing companies I consult with. These specs are seriously ahead of even a lot of medium sized business clients....


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