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Intel says "Pineview" will be compatible with NVIDIA Ion platform

Intel is the largest chipmaker in the world and dominates the CPU market. The company also holds the majority of the GPU market thanks to its integrated graphics processors that are inside most of the notebooks and netbooks on the current market.

Intel has unveiled its new Pineview Atom processors along with the associated Pine Trail chipset. The big news here is that Pineview integrates a memory controller and GPU onto a single piece of silicon. The Pineview processor is set to be available in Q4 2009.

Intel's Pineview platform will save computer builders money and consume less power thanks to a reduction in the number of chips from three in current Atom platforms to two with Pineview. Intel points out that despite having integrated graphics, Pineview will be compatible with the NVIDIA Ion platform and its GPU.

NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said yesterday that Intel's Atom pricing was unfair and was keeping Ion from being able to compete in the market.

Along with introducing Pineview, Intel also talked about its new beta release of the Mobile v2.0 operating system that is aimed at netbooks. Moblin is a Linux-based OS that some analysts say has zero chance of making it in the netbook market. The total market for Linux in the netbook market is only 4.5% and netbooks running Linux had as much as a tenfold higher return rate compared to Windows machines.

IDC analyst Bob O'Donnell said, "We don't see an opportunity for this at all. People have clearly voted with their wallets."

The new version of Moblin is aimed at netbooks, but future versions of the operating system will be geared towards smartphones. Analysts say that smartphones are a much better market for Moblin than netbooks and that the OS could gain traction there, despite lots of competition.

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By StevoLincolnite on 5/20/2009 11:27:51 AM , Rating: 2
I am wondering, like with the movie to the on-die memory controller, would having the GPU on-die actually benefit the GPU's performance at all?

RE: Performance??
By Anonymous Freak on 5/20/2009 11:52:47 AM , Rating: 5
From my general understanding (I'm not a chip designer,) if the GPU core was absolutely identical in all ways, where the only change is moving it from a discrete chip to the CPU package (along with the memory controller;) the only even potential benefit is a reduction in memory latency.

However, it opens the system up for other, not-directly-related benefits: Power reduction (moving the GPU and memory controller also moves them to a newer lower-power manufacturing process,) the potential for faster speeds (new process,) and, longer term, opens up more tight CPU-GPU integration. For example, imagine an Atom with a Larrabee onboard. (From everything I've read, this is *NOT* the case for Pineview.) When you don't need GPU power, it would be much simpler to turn the Larrabee into a 'standard' CPU for extra CPU cores direct to the OS; rather than having to go through the process of dealing with "GPGPU" APIs. (At least, that's one theory of mine; I have no idea of the actual feasability.)

RE: Performance??
By Pirks on 5/20/2009 5:10:00 PM , Rating: 3
When you don't need GPU power, it would be much simpler to turn the Larrabee into a 'standard' CPU for extra CPU cores direct to the OS; rather than having to go through the process of dealing with "GPGPU" APIs.
Impossible because Larrabee x86 core != "generic CPU" x86 core.

RE: Performance??
By danrien on 5/24/2009 7:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
if it follows the x86 instruction architecture, then it does = generic cpu x86 core. if it doesn't follow the x86 instruction architecture then it shouldn't be called an x86 core.

By bupkus on 5/20/2009 3:25:20 PM , Rating: 2
Intel says "Pineview" will be compatible with NVIDIA Ion platform

Is it my imagination or does Intel's response to Nvidia stating Pineview's compatibility to the Ion, knowing that the additional on-chip video processor would be a redundant expense of both money and power usage, mock the issue?

By bupkus on 5/20/2009 3:32:37 PM , Rating: 2
Note to self:
Should I find myself with a great "Innovation for the Future" never depend on "Intel Inside".

How's that for mocking? Right back atcha.

Marketshare BS
By n0nsense on 5/20/2009 11:57:41 AM , Rating: 1
Bob O'Donnell is correct when looking at US Best Buy likes retailers.
Dell selling 30% of it's netbooks with Linux with similar return rates to Windows.
The high return rates come from poor HW and not SW.
Some OEM tried to sell cheaper HW which could be powered only by Linux (which in most cases was striped down ugly designed port of some unknown distribution).
I own aging IBM X31, which has almost netbook specs.
Win XP and 7 are both ugly performers on this HW compared to Linux in terms of speed, responsiveness and look and feel. I don't understand why empty OS requires 8GB of storage, Office suite of 1GB and MUI 1GB for each language. I'm terribly sorry, But I use 3 languages and just want spellcheck.
Moblin is the fastest user ready choice for netbook. Paired with it's unique GUI it can beat easily any MS Windows versions.
They claim to reach 5 second boot time (post BIOS to user ready desktop). last time i checked it was about 15secs which is much faster then Windows and most general purpose Linux distributions.
And please, no comments like "can it run Photoshop or Crysis".

RE: Marketshare BS
By PARANOID365 on 5/20/2009 12:03:21 PM , Rating: 3
So I was just wondering if ummmmmmm............. it can run that really well known picture program, or that really popular game with amazing graphics ??

Countdown to Huang's head exploding...
By SublimeSimplicity on 5/20/2009 11:15:05 AM , Rating: 1
NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said yesterday that Intel's Atom pricing was unfair and was keeping Ion from being able to compete in the market.

Intel's counter offer: Force him to buy the only part of the chipset he had a value add for by bundling it into the CPU itself.

By PARANOID365 on 5/20/2009 11:59:10 AM , Rating: 1
Apparently Intel learned nothing from their record setting fine, ( I smell another Antitrust lawsuit brewing ) !!

Intel really needs to get it through their thick heads, (and stop acting like a rebellious child), that just because they have the market cornered, (for the time being), does not mean they are able to operate anyway they please.

By nafhan on 5/20/2009 12:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
To me, it looks like the biggest benefit to Intel is going to be having OEM's buy their chipsets without having to worry about the possible antitrust issues associated with bundling.
With Pineview it will be impossible to purchase an Atom 2 (or whatever it'll be called) without effectively purchasing an Intel north bridge/GPU.
I would also imagine that the CPU package for Pineview will run warmer and use more energy than the CPU package for Atom, even though an Intel based Pineview system will be undoubtedly be more energy efficient.
So due to redundent hardware, a Pineview + Ion will probably use more power and put off more heat than an Atom + Ion. While at the same time, Pineview + Ion system will be more expensive and probably not much faster than Atom + Ion.
Sucks for nVidia.

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