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The Blackberry Curve  (Source: Fay Observer)

The Apple iPhone  (Source: Apple)
Move over iPhone, there's a new leader in town

The iPhone is undeniably slick, with powerful hardware, good battery life, a capable music platform, and a thriving applications ecosystem.  But in terms of contract and cost of the phone, it remains pricey.  And its business applications and features still trail those of Research In Motion's Blackberry.

Those factors combined to sink the Apple iPhone to the second spot in smartphone sales after a strong 2008, which saw it take over the top spot.  The iPhone sold so well, that for part of last year, it was America's bestselling phone overall including traditional phones.

Moving into first place was the Blackberry Curve, which covers several Blackberry 83xx models according to Apple Inisider.  Coming in a close third was the Blackberry Storm, and the Blackberry Pearl took fourth (excluding the flip variety).  The fifth spot was occupied by T-Mobile's G1 phone, the first phone to feature Google's Android OS.

The trouncing that RIM laid on Apple and its other competitors grew the company's smart phone market share 15 percent to seize a commanding 50 percent of the market.  Palm, which is awaiting the release of the much-anticipated Pre, and Apple, meanwhile, saw their market shares sink 10 percent.

Market research firm NPD says that Blackberry pricing was made even sweeter by Verizon's aggressive "buy-one-get-one" promotion, which gave RIM the momentum it needed to dominate the sales charts.  Analyst Ross Rubin states, "The more familiar, and less expensive, Curve benefited from these giveaways and was able to leapfrog the iPhone, due to its broader availability on the four major U.S. national carriers."

Globally, smartphones now account for 23 percent of the cell phone market, rising 6 percent on a year to year basis.  Given the troubled financial state of many consumers, Mr. Rubin calls this a very good sign for smart phone makers and evidence that customers are continuing to "(migrate) toward Web-capable handsets and their supporting data plans to access more information and entertainment on the go."

RIM reported previously record sales of 7.8 million Blackberries in the year's first quarter, while Apple posted weaker sales of 3.79 million units. 



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iPoor
By chmilz on 5/4/2009 12:33:38 PM , Rating: 5
Oops, sorry Apple... money gets tight and your products are the first to get passed on. Businesses still need phones and generally use Blackberry, which will keep sales strong.




RE: iPoor
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 12:59:50 PM , Rating: 2
Meh BB already had a larger share, they just did not have the best selling phone. I would like to point out that each Apple sale was individual and nothing was given away for free. Chances are the big boost came from giving the Curve away for free.(although this means absolutely nothing to RIM, Verizon still bought the phones). Basically one could argue that iPhone sales are still strong, as they are still gaining share, just not at the rate they were the last two years. For how 'tight' money has been, Apple has been doing more than 'ok'..


RE: iPoor
By Hare on 5/4/2009 1:07:28 PM , Rating: 5
Nothing is "free" you pay the device in your phone bill...


RE: iPoor
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 1:16:54 PM , Rating: 1
Like to hear yourself talk? It is free when comparing between the iPhone(which you pay for upfront and on your phone bill) and getting a free BB device(which you only pay on your phone bill).


RE: iPoor
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 1:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
Of course with the downrating.. I somewhat feel for pirks now. Have something constructive to say? Say it.. don't merely rate down.

Apple iPhone sales are not down because of the recession. This would only be true if BB sales were specifically taking share from Apple, and this is not the case. The article clearly outlines who were the winners and losers, and the OP's comments are very much so off base and is the usual anti Apple rhetoric.

Apple laptops and computers have taken a hit, the iPhone really has not, and if any of you took the time to read some of the linked articles you would probably know that:

http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Reports+Q2+Earnings...


RE: iPoor
By TomZ on 5/4/2009 2:03:08 PM , Rating: 3
First of all, please know up-front that I am "pro" anti-Apple rhetoric. I hate that company because of their arrogance and their use of vertical monopolies as their preferred business model.

That said, I think it's ridiculous to say that iPhone sales aren't down due to the recession. Sales of everything are down due to the recession, and certainly iPhone sales would be higher if we were not in a recession. To their credit, their sales have been strong despite the economic condition, but they would be higher still if consumers felt more confident about their economic futures.

I also wonder if there is such thing as iPhone saturation. I mean, by know, hasn't everyone who wants one already purchased one? And how often do they need to be replaced? I think they'll have to push into the broader cell phone market if they want to continue to grow sales. For example, lower-end devices and other cellular carriers.


RE: iPoor
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 2:17:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
First of all, please know up-front that I am "pro" anti-Apple rhetoric. I hate that company because of their arrogance and their use of vertical monopolies as their preferred business model.
I don't like Apple either, never owned nor will I ever own an Apple product. That being said, I give respect where it is deserved.
quote:
That said, I think it's ridiculous to say that iPhone sales aren't down due to the recession. Sales of everything are down due to the recession, and certainly iPhone sales would be higher if we were not in a recession.
Two very different beasts, sure their growth rate is down, but their sales are not. Sales being down means one thing, they are selling less than they were previously, and that is not the case. Year over year is still up, and analysts have yet to predict a decline. Yes Apples sales could have been better had it not been a recession, but the OP makes it out as though the masses are passing on the iPhone and that is just not the case. Palm and Nokia sales are down, and that is where BB gained the bulk of their share, not from Apple, and the article clearly states this.
quote:
I also wonder if there is such thing as iPhone saturation. I mean, by know, hasn't everyone who wants one already purchased one? And how often do they need to be replaced?
I too have been wondering about this, and I agree with your statements that they must expand if they want to want to continue expanding their market.


RE: iPoor
By Pirks on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: iPoor
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 2:49:41 PM , Rating: 3
For what? The Apple Zealots to buy their 3rd phone in 3 years? ;)


RE: iPoor
By Pirks on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: iPoor
By Runiteshark on 5/4/2009 4:38:23 PM , Rating: 3
Your double chin smileys disturb me.

Please exercise them so they can loose some weight, or send that signal to your hand a bit earlier so you can let off the key quicker. I know it'll be hard, but give it a try.


RE: iPoor
By Pirks on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: iPoor
By Runiteshark on 5/5/2009 12:36:41 AM , Rating: 2
To bad my average post rating is double yours. I'd say you're the one doing the littering.

Posting stuff just to get a rise out of people is kinda old, don'tcha think?


RE: iPoor
By Pirks on 5/5/2009 4:52:27 PM , Rating: 3
Too bad your average post rating is determined by idiots like you.


misleading...
By winterspan on 5/4/2009 2:24:00 PM , Rating: 4
The author's claim that the iPhone's contract is "pricey" is bullshit. AT&T (and Verizon in fact) has the exact same smartphone data plan requirement on all Blackberry models that it has on the iPhone. This is universal to ALL smartphones. A new AT&T customer looking at a Blackberry Bold and the iPhone will pay exactly the same monthly price with either.

An a different note, Obviously no matter how well the iPhone does, it is still tied to ONE carrier, and a carrier with poor nation-wide coverage -- particularly 3G --- at that. I would imagine at some point in the near future, Apple will have tapped out the remaining pool of customers who are willing to switch carriers to AT&T for the iPhone.

The other 10+ million interested in the iPhone will not move from the wide coverage of Verizon and Sprints 3G networks.




RE: misleading...
By Doormat on 5/4/2009 4:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The author's claim that the iPhone's contract is "pricey" is bullshit. AT&T (and Verizon in fact) has the exact same smartphone data plan requirement on all Blackberry models that it has on the iPhone.


Really? I bought my sis a BB8830 back in 07 and AT&T didn't require her to be on a data plan. She just wanted the QWERTY kb for texting. Have they changed it since then?

That said, she really wants an iPhone, and when her contract is up, I'll be buying myself a new iPhone and giving her my iPhone 3G.


RE: misleading...
By mondo1234 on 5/4/2009 7:55:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But in terms of contract and cost of the phone, it remains pricey.

Agreed, I have to call BS on that also. As compared to what? Can you get any smartphone without a dataplan? The LG Dare (which isn't a smartphone) on Verizon is still $170 with a 2 year contract and its browser, playlists, and video sucks.

It is tough to compare a phone sold on one network vs one sold on multiple. I think if the future was limited on the phone, Verizon would not be in negotiations with Apple.

Verizon used to let you get a smart phone (but not the BB) without a data plan. As of last fall, that has changed and even Winmo's need a dataplan which I believe is the standard $30 per month.


RE: misleading...
By Tommyguns on 5/5/2009 3:48:47 AM , Rating: 2
I just switched to to ATT from VZW about 3 weeks ago. I got a free BB Bold, 450mins w/ rollover, txting and data plan for $5 less then i payed VZW for a a plain contract for 450mins with no txting on a u540 pos that costs me $79 even with the upgrade reimbursement.

ATT has bent over backwards for my needs, and their customer service has been fantastic. both store and call center.

Oh yeah, i can drop the data plan when ever i want and still use the Black berry. ATT allows you to modify your contract whenever you want. Every company but VZW dosnt cripple wifi on their phones. one major reason i switched.


Perspective
By Hare on 5/4/2009 1:03:39 PM , Rating: 3
Nokia sold 93 million devices in Q1.




RE: Perspective
By Hare on 5/4/2009 1:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
Motorola 27 million devices,
Sony Ericsson 14 million,
Samsung 46 million,
LG 22 million


RE: Perspective
By mondo1234 on 5/4/2009 8:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
Q1 operating profit plunged 96%...?
thats not good....

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2...


RE: Perspective
By aquraishi on 5/5/2009 8:41:05 AM , Rating: 1
It's pretty obvious why Apple's sales are down and it's got nothing to do with a 'trouncing' from RIM.

People are waiting for the new iPhone in June/July. It should have MMS, video recording and a bunch of other features including a faster processor. Would you buy a phone when waiting a few months will get you the next gen product? I doubt it.

Watch sales go through the roof after the launch of the 3.0 version.


Broken screens
By snikt on 5/4/2009 3:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
I use a BB for work so I'm pretty familiar with one. In the past month I've seen at least 3 iphones with cracked or severely cracked screens. I've dropped my BB on concrete, asphalt, etc., in and out of its holster and hard enough to force the battery to pop out. And all I ever get are minor scratches on the screen and my BB still works great. BBs, at least mine, takes a beating but still works great.




Blackberry
By audifan on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: Blackberry
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 1:13:18 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Honestly...I can't understand why people like them. The interface was not intuitive, QWERTY keyboards are wasted space and difficult to type on, and the screens are very poor quality.
And yet, I've seen 60 year olds typing away like they were 19.. BB's are very easy to use, actually have buttons and usually work without a hitch. As for the screens being low quality, I think you need to come rejoin the rest of us in 2009, BB products are vastly different than those of even a few years ago.
quote:
Add to that the plastic feel and lack of app support...and It's hard to see why anyone would choose that over an iPhone.
While the older products were mainly plastic, almost all of their new models have some kind of metalic surface somewhere on the phone. So I am not too sure what you point is.

The iPhone does not have a keyboard plain and simple, when it comes down to it, a large percentage of people want a keyboard. Personally I love touch a good touch interface, but many, many people do not. I used to be able to type a phone message or dial without looking at my phone, this is just not possible with the iPhone.

Price cannot be the only reason either, as a large portion of their sales come from the corporate environment, and they are probably not getting these phones for free.

Personally I cannot stand BB devices, but to say it is an inferior device in every way is just being naive.


RE: Blackberry
By audifan on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: Blackberry
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 1:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
Your comments are obviously bias. I have a touch phone, and I've never owned a BB, but one thing is for sure, typing on a BB is easier and has a much faster learning curve than the iphone or any other touch device for that matter. That alone makes a hard keyboard more attractive to a lot of users, especially older ones.

I have compared the two side by side, and to tell you the truth i was not that impressed. Even when comparing to Windows mobile, I can type faster on my WinMo phone than on the iphone (especially since I can type in landscape). For the few times I've actually used a BB extensively, I picked it up right away, I can't say that for either my phone (winMo) or the iPhone.


RE: Blackberry
By quiksilvr on 5/4/2009 2:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
There was one thing that I always thought about when I hear about cellphone companies wanting multitouch on their phones: Why? Why is it so important? Multitouch doesn't help with typing, sifting through files, or anything major.

But you can zoom in and zoom out with two fingers! Yeah, or just use a scroll bar to the side.

But you can rotate! Or just push a button that says "rotate this way" or "rotate that way".

IMO, cell phone companies seem to want multitouch just because Apple has it, and that's just pointless. Yes, I agree the patent is bullsh|t and if cell phone companies should have rights to it if they want it without having to pay an arm and a leg for it, but if the annoying legal system won't let them do it, FORGET about it. Just make an awesome single touch user interface and be done with it.


RE: Blackberry
By Murst on 5/4/2009 4:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
What patent are you talking about? From your post, it would seem like you're implying that apple owns the patent on multi-touch displays. I find that hard to believe, so could you post a link to that patent?

Now, there was a patent that was related to gestures that apple filed. It seems like a bunch of crap that will not hold up in courts, but that really is separate from multitouch technology. It wasn't multitouch gestures that were patented, but the process of calculating any type of gesture, single or multi.


RE: Blackberry
By Sazar on 5/4/2009 2:48:34 PM , Rating: 3
Good for you.

Most of my female friends had to go with either a resistive screen or a touch-screen because while I personally LOVE a capacitive screen (I have an iPhone 3G), they were not able to use it because of their long finger-nails.

And they would rather get a phone with resistive screen or buttons than cut their nails or not get stick-ons.

/me shrugs

Fashion counts for something I guess.

Also, have YOU looked at a BB screen next to an iPhone? The new BB screens are high resolution and give great picture quality. Take a look at a Bold next time you go into a store. Fantastic screen.


RE: Blackberry
By Sazar on 5/4/2009 3:45:21 PM , Rating: 3
touch-screen == keyboard in the context of my post. They wanted keyboards instead of touch-screens :(

/me shakes angry fist at no editing


RE: Blackberry
By jimbojimbo on 5/4/2009 1:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
Lack of app support? Obviously you owned one but never bothered to explore the possibilites and the offerings out there.

Honestly, I don't like the interface either. However I have to admit that it's small, light, and has incredible battery life. That and if you type a lot, it kicks the a** out of an iPhone.


RE: Blackberry
By Hare on 5/4/2009 1:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However I have to admit that it's small, light, and has incredible battery life. That and if you type a lot, it kicks the a** out of an iPhone.

Compared to the likes of Nokia E71x it's a big ugly block with mediocre keys, battery life and poor connectivity features.


RE: Blackberry
By KorruptioN on 5/4/2009 1:25:38 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand why you have trouble with them.

QWERTY keyboards are wasted space and are difficult to type on? I think I'd much prefer touch-typing with hard buttons rather than poking around on a touch-screen that didn't provide any tactile feedback.

I've got an old-school 8700 (no upgrades from work nowadays!), and I think the screen is more than acceptable for its interface.


RE: Blackberry
By invidious on 5/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: Blackberry
By TomZ on 5/4/2009 2:07:00 PM , Rating: 4
You must be a member of the opinion police. :o)

I was thinking we could all express our opinions here, even if our opinions are pure speculation.

And for the record, I agree with the OP; I think that tactile response is important. It's funny seeing the difference between someone typing on an iPhone (slow)compared to someone typing on a ohone with a full proper keyboard (fast).


RE: Blackberry
By Sazar on 5/4/2009 2:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
True.

I thought I would hate not having buttons, but I have found it very easy to type on the phone :)

It's intuitive enough to make up for most mistakes and I am pretty fast with it now :D


RE: Blackberry
By munky on 5/4/2009 1:36:33 PM , Rating: 5
You know, some of use use phones as a tool to actually get something done, not just as a toy for playing cheesy games, and the iphone fails in that department. Typing a long email on a touchscreen is a chore. Since there's no tactile feedback, I constantly have to look down on the so-called keyboard to see if the key I pressed is actually the one I meant to press.

Music platform? Wake me up when the iphone can play music via stereo bluetooth. Copy & paste? Why, when you can just retype the whole thing over, since the touch screen makes it look so cool. App platform? Sure, as long as you like being fed what Apple says is good for you, and can't be bothered to think for yourself. Battery life? Good luck if you go for more than a day without charging. No Java support, no Flash support, can't even set your own mp3's as ringtones without dicking around with itunes. Sounds more and more like a dumbphone hyped up beyond belief.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 5/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: Blackberry
By TomZ on 5/4/2009 2:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
In other words, iPhone was a half-assed launch. It did pretty well considering. I think Apple caught established players in that industry with their pants down.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 5/4/2009 2:53:06 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
iPhone was a half-assed launch
Jobs learned a lot from an Xbox 360 launch.


RE: Blackberry
By HaB1971 on 5/4/2009 4:53:01 PM , Rating: 1
<quote=Pirks>Jobs learned a lot from an Xbox 360 launch.

The Titanic's launch was a success; it was half-assed and didn't last very long by all accounts.

The Xbox 360 launched perfectly fine in that respect and it hit more metaphorical icebergs but still it floats.

*Disclaimer* I have not tested how well an XBox 360 does as a floatation device, though I have been tempted to find out using my Ex roommates unit


RE: Blackberry
By omnicronx on 5/4/2009 2:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Since there's no tactile feedback, I constantly have to look down on the so-called keyboard to see if the key I pressed is actually the one I meant to press.
Is there an iPhone app that vibrates after you press a key on the softkeyboard? I find this really helps me on my winMo phone. Half the problem with soft keyboards is you don't know if you actually pressed the key. Its very easy to memorize where the locations of each button is, (just like you would do on a tactile keyboard) Its entirely another to know if you actually pressed the key (hard enough etc) and if you accidentally pressed it twice and such.
quote:
Wake me up when the iphone can play music via stereo bluetooth
Well.. I guess you should get prepared to wake up, the next update will take care of this.
quote:
Copy & paste?
Same boat..
quote:
No Java support, no Flash support, can't even set your own mp3's as ringtones without dicking around with itunes. Sounds more and more like a dumbphone hyped up beyond belief.
Don't really need Java support when everyone is developing for your phone. No phone has real flash.. Believe me, I've had working flashlite 3 on my phone for 8 months now and it is nothing to lose sleep over.
quote:
You know, some of use use phones as a tool to actually get something done
Well said ;)


RE: Blackberry
By Sazar on 5/4/2009 2:51:16 PM , Rating: 3
The phone just works well dude. Get over it.

I detest a lot of things Apple and I HATE the company. But, the iPhone is the first and only product so far that is actually almost as good as advertised. The functionality and the accessories are 2nd to none.

When I am sitting in the office, watching Live TV on my phone and yet still being able to see texts and get email alerts, I mean that's pretty sweet.


RE: Blackberry
By axias41 on 5/4/2009 4:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
My very old Nokia N70 can copy&paste, send&receive mms and make videos. And with the bluetooth I can do everything. Your iPhone?


RE: Blackberry
By Sazar on 5/4/2009 6:36:21 PM , Rating: 3
Can remotely run my computer, stream LIVE tv over the air and has access to a ton of applications that can do pretty much everything you can think of.

Also, due to the speed of access of the phone, I am typically the point person amongst my group of friends for wiki'ing information, buying tickets online to places like the Alamo Drafthouse and so forth.

I also have a mobile entertainment system with Pandora and a much larger screen which provides fantastic multimedia capabilities and a 16 GB storage capacity. Further, due to my ability to stream videos and audio via ORB, I am only limited in my storage capabilities by the size of my hard-drive at home. Visual Voicemail is a massive time-saver and I can easily call my parents overseas via Skype.

There are a whole host of other things I can bring up but it gets pretty boring slamming something else.

Honestly, if you want to try and denigrate a product only by bringing up some of it's limited failings (many of which are due to be fixed in an upcoming release (and my buddy runs os 3.0 right now and it is pretty good) you really need to try harder. As I have said before and will continue to say, the iphone itself is a good product. I HATE the company and it's methods but they did a great job with the phone.


RE: Blackberry
By Devo2007 on 5/4/2009 10:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
...and I can do pretty much all of that on my Blackberry Storm. The iPhone is hardly unique in that regard.

The main thing the iPhone has going for it is app support -- though I really don't care about a fart app or some of those "novelty" items.


RE: Blackberry
By QueBert on 5/5/2009 7:06:30 AM , Rating: 1
your Storm has Pandora? your Storm has Visual Voicemail? It "pretty much" doesn't have a lot of what the iPhone offers. I take that back, Verizon will be offering a Visual Voicemail of their own, but from everything I've read it's horrible.
Nothing touches the iPhone, as you mentioned it's because of the App store. And while there are a lot of dumb iFart type apps. There are hundreds, if not thousands of incredible ones. Beatmaker is possibly the most advanced and cool app on any cell phone PERIOD. It replaces $350 worth of music software on my PC, and honestly does a better job than anything I've used on a PC. The VNC proggy I use is bad ass. I use XBMC Music Streamer and the music on my PC is available anywhere I get Wifi or 3G. The Google Calendar app is awesome, and the custom iPhone only versions of Facebook & Myspace are so good they almost make me want to use the sites. And it's Youtube player is fucking fantastic. Light years ahead of any other phone. And don't even get me started on Safari, no not even Storms better than average mobile browser is as good. I don't give a shit about Apple, but I <3 my iPhone and my Touch.


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