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Cyberdyne's HAL suit goes into mass production this year. It will increase the users strength by as much as tenfold. Approximately 400 units will be produced by the next year.  (Source: Cyberdyne Corp.)
Dreams of real life robocops will be brought to life with new Japanese invention

What's blue and white and has the strength of superhero?  The answer, will soon be a human sporting a Cyberdyne Corporation suit. While the name of this Japanese firm, taken from the evil corporation in the movie Terminator, may make some a bit uneasy, its hard to fault its dream -- bringing to life the dreams of mech suits that military and fictional minds have had for decades.

Cyberdyne has partnered with Daiwa House to finally bring its HAL (Hybrid Assistive Limb) suit into mass production.  The company plans on offering 400 of the units, which are expected to be in short supply, to private and government buyers, at a cost of $4,200 for the suit.

The suit is truly revolutionary in that its the first publicly offered suit to increase the strength of both arms and legs to superhuman levels -- over ten times the strength of an average human.  The suit has special pads which attach to muscles and detect electrical signals form the brain.  As the muscle moves, so does the suit, augmenting the power of movements.  Special care is taken to respect the range of motion and not go too fast, so as not to damage delicate tendons, ligaments, and bones.

In short, the new suit allows an average human to accomplish seemingly impossible tasks.  Cyberdyne describes its revolutionary product, stating:
When a person attempts to move, nerve signals are sent from the brain to the muscles via motoneuron, moving the musculoskeletal system as a consequence. At this moment, very weak biosignals can be detected on the surface of the skin. HAL catches these signals through a sensor attached on the skin of the wearer. Based on the signals obtained, the power unit is controlled to wearer’s daily activities.
Demand for the new suit is expected to be huge.  From disaster relief and industrial construction, to military applications, there are many potential uses.  Perhaps the most valuable one is that the suit will allow the elderly or disabled to perform activities that they previously could not, by granting them normal strength and then some.

While the HAL suit is certainly impressive, it's even more fun to dream about what can come next.  With so much promise from the first model alone, it should be great to see what future models can accomplish -- longer autonomous battery life, more power, and possibly upgrades for military applications.  The HAL is one of those kinds of inventions that reminds you that the future is here, and is knocking on your door.


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I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/10/2009 4:10:22 PM , Rating: -1
I'm old fashioned, we have steroids to do this! Why do we need this stuff? On top of that, steroids improve reflexes, healing time, intelligence, and can be useful in reducing scarring. Oh, and it helps you hit home runs, and you've got at least a chance someone will believe you when you say that you didn't use them. The argument "I acquired a fear of the baseball, and needed protection" isn't just not going to be plausible, even to a group as stupid as congress.

We have the technology already for greatly increasing strength and athletic ability, we just don't use it. Besides, you have to put this on and take it off, it's more awkward then taking a nice pill, and getting strong and aggressive. Will this suit change your temperment to go along with your new found strength, in a chemically meaningful and easily verifiable way? I don't think so, and what's the point of giving strength to the timid.

The answer is steroids, and investing money in stronger ones. Not this nonsense.




RE: I'm old fashioned
By Motoman on 4/10/2009 4:13:13 PM , Rating: 5
...they also get rid of those unsightly testicles and conveniently make it impossible for you to reproduce! Yay!


RE: I'm old fashioned
By quiksilvr on 4/10/2009 4:39:40 PM , Rating: 5
Don't forget your penis, it takes care of that too! High five for impotence!


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Mathos on 4/10/2009 9:27:43 PM , Rating: 5
Gotta add to this....Don't forget since your heart is a muscle that is constantly working it also causes the heart enlarge to a point where the oxygen supply in the cardiovascular system can't support it anymore. So it's all fun and games, and then you die.!!


RE: I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/10/2009 11:41:44 PM , Rating: 5
That's a fallacy.

SOME steroids are aromatized to estrogen, which shuts down indigenous testosterone production. Estrogen regulates testosterone production, since if you have a lot of testosterone, you have a lot of estrogen, and that's how your body knows how much is enough.

But, not all steroids are aromatized to estrogen, and consequently, do not have this effect at all.

Your remark about being impossible to reproduce is uninformed. Steroids do no damage to your testicles, but those that elevate estrogen will reduce or eliminate indigenous testosterone production. However, if you stop taking them, eventually your estrogen levels will go down, and you'll start producing your own testosterone again. And, if you want kids, then, you can have them. Of course, you could have taken steroids that did not have this effect in the first place if this was a priority, but in any case, this type of issue is only temporary.

But, there are some other issues from high estrogen levels that are far more problematic, and some are not so easily reversed. Gynecomastia is really so foul, and it doesn't go away when you stop taking the steroids. There are ways to block it with other substances when taking steroids, basically by blocking the estrogen receptors, but once they are there, you'd need surgery to reverse it.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By feraltoad on 4/11/2009 2:22:44 AM , Rating: 2
If it doesn't give me bitch tits, then I don't want it.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By lightfoot on 4/10/2009 4:24:16 PM , Rating: 3
Imagine the guy on steroids WITH a HAL suit...

That would allow for some REAL 'roidrage!


RE: I'm old fashioned
By The0ne on 4/10/2009 4:59:19 PM , Rating: 3
The strength from the suit is most likely independent of the person's size or strength.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Clauzii on 4/10/2009 11:34:28 PM , Rating: 2
Soohh - does it have a pilot ejector seat..?

:)


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Googer on 4/11/2009 1:55:48 AM , Rating: 2
No, that Guy looks like Bruce Lee Cyborg. They've brought him back from the dead like Robocop.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Hulk on 4/11/2009 11:19:12 AM , Rating: 3
or maybe "driod rage."


RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/10/2009 4:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
Steroids are to the body what nitromethane (nitroglycerin) is for car engines. Looks fun untill you blow out your engine. Besides it's always nice to see someone gain enormous strengt in a very short time only to see them rip off a muscle or a tendon. Why, because the body has had not yet enough time to adapt to the increased muscle strenght.
And then i am not yet talking about all the side effects on internal organs. There is a rare genetic disorder that gives the carrier superhuman strenght. They are muscled from infancy but do not live very long because the heart is deformed as well.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2004/06/24/512...


RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/10/2009 4:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
For more info

Klik the link in the link to see an 3 year old lifting weights.

http://www.besternews.com/related/ABC%20News:%20Ho...


RE: I'm old fashioned
By PlasmaBomb on 4/10/2009 7:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
The condition is called Hypertrophia Cordis,

or more commonly hypertrophy of the heart.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By whiskerwill on 4/10/2009 10:02:32 PM , Rating: 2
No, actually its called myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/10/2009 7:54:16 PM , Rating: 4
Good God, I was just kidding with the post. You really couldn't tell?

But, since you want to get factual, you really don't know much about steroids, based on your comments.

Like most things the media has gotten hold of, they are vilified way beyond what's real, and really are so broad that nothing could possibly be said about all steroids.

For example, did you know cholesterol is a steroid? Did you know Prednisone and Anadrol do pretty much exactly the opposite things, but are both steroids? So, let's narrow it down to anabolic/androgenic steroids to start, since they make the most sense in this context, and cortico-steroids are quite dangerous (and, coincidentally, easily and often prescribed).

Now, saying all steroids are bad is about as educated as saying NSAIDs are extremely dangerous, because there have been some made that have been.

But, I'll even make a very broad statement that all steroids (remember we're talking anabolic/androgenic in this context) are far safer than aspirin, or acetaminophen. If you don't believe me, take 30x the dosage you should be taking of Aspirin for 20 years, and see if you make it out of a day. Or see if you have a liver left with acetaminophen. With steroids, people will take this much for many, many years, and SOME have side effects that are harmful. The problem isn't so much the drug, as the jackass that takes way too much of it, for way too long.

But, even within the ranks of anabolic steroids, there are huge differences in the danger they present. Some can cause behavioral changes, some can cause indigenous testosterone production to shut down (the remarks about testicles allude to this), and some can cause liver damage. In the latter case, it has nothing to do with the steroid, but with the 17-alpha-alkylation that is added to oral steroids so they are not broken down by digestion. Injectables do not need this, and generally do not cause any harm to the liver.

With regards to indigenous testosterone production, that depends on estrogen, which is the negative feedback loop for it. Testosterone is converted (aromatized) into estrogen, and that regulates further testosterone production. Some steroids are not aromatized, and therefore cause absolutely no side-effects like this. Some are, and can cause many issues over time, if not used with other drugs to mitigate the effects.

With regards to behavior changes, even anabolic steroids have two parameters that define their effects. They are anabolic (effects not considered purely male), and androgenic (male characteristics). For example, increasing the ability to build muscle is anabolic, while something that lowers the voice, causes facial hair to grow, initiates more aggressive behavior, would all fall under androgenic properties. Testosterone, by far the most dangerous of all steroids, is considered highly androgenic by steroidal standards, but there are others like Dianabol and Anadrol that also are highly androgenic. So why do people use these? Well, they work, and work well, and increase metabolism a lot. That's why people like to stack. They will use a highly anabolic with a androgenic one, the latter mainly to increase metabolism.

Steroids attempt, and all succeed in varying degrees, to take testosterone and make it work in a more desirable way, and be less dangerous, and have fewer side-effects. What we produce naturally is the worst of them, as crazy as that sounds. What makes it work is we don't pound our bodies with massive amounts of this stuff, sometimes 100's of times what we should have. If you do that with any substance, it's going to have bad effects. Some, like Primobolan are so safe, and so non-androgenic, they can be taken by women, and not make them masculine. On the other hand, it's not very good at building muscle compared to others. Anadrol, on the other hand, will make your aunt your uncle, and should NEVER be taken by women, and even with men, you have to be careful as Hell. But, nothing bulks like it, and for pure efficacy, it's hard to beat.

Incidentally, only one steroid was made for athletic performance, and that's Dianabol. All the rest were made for medical purposes, and were extremely useful, before the media decided to get more viewers, and make doctors very scared to use them.

Most injuries from steroids do not happen when people are taking them. That's the fallacy, and you're quite wrong about it. Steroids allow the entire body to build faster, not just muscle. In fact, they even help your brain create faster synapses, and help nerve tissue grow faster. They reduce scarring as well. They can help people rebuild blood faster too. They have been very useful in working against cachexia, particularly with regards to AIDs.

People get injuries when they STOP taking steroids. Notice what happened to Barry Bonds? Or Jason Giambi? Or Clemens? When they were juicing like madmen, they were on the field, but soon after the crackdown on steroids, they were spending time on the disabled list. Same with Palmeiro. Steroids have a tendency to make more fluid retain around the joints, which allows them to move with less friction. Once you stop, they dry up a bit, and then injuries can happen.

So, please, stop being a product of the media, and realize that steroids are an amazing tool for human health when used properly, and in the intended manner. There's almost nothing you can take at 1000 times the dosage every day, for years on end and not have side-effects. It doesn't mean you should ban these drugs for things they were intended for, and are extremely useful in. But, the media has pounded every idiot over the head, and told them how they are always bad, and most people don't even know the difference between them.

It would be like treating aspirin like it were heroin. Please, make an effort to learn before you condemn something. The media doesn't care if you really understand something (how could they when they don't?), they just want you to read the garbage they write. But, it's never so simple as those articles make it.

Oh, and again, that post was a joke. I'm kind of surprised people didn't see that. I guess my sense of humor has gotten so dry (another word for bad) that people couldn't see it.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Clauzii on 4/10/2009 11:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
Write this in a forum in Denmark, and You'll see it disappear faster than You can say "Steroids"..


RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/11/2009 12:05:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Good God, I was just kidding with the post. You really couldn't tell?


No, i have more or less a vulcan like nature :).

Nice post, i know the possible health effects of steroids but steriods are usually only given to people who really need them. I doubt if you give someone a save amount of the right steroids his or body will not alter the balance when the person has no steroid deficiëncy.

It all comes to genetics. You can build a lot of muscle but when you do not use them you loose them. Same goes for the bones. Same goes for the braincells. The body is constantly rebuilding itself but the blueprint used is part genetic and part dynamic.

I think it is possible to use the right steroid to do some enhancing but the amount is different from person to person. You need a constant medical team to supervise.

quote:
People get injuries when they STOP taking steroids. Notice what happened to Barry Bonds? Or Jason Giambi? Or Clemens? When they were juicing like madmen, they were on the field, but soon after the crackdown on steroids, they were spending time on the disabled list. Same with Palmeiro. Steroids have a tendency to make more fluid retain around the joints, which allows them to move with less friction. Once you stop, they dry up a bit, and then injuries can happen.


Now this is the exact reason steroids have me worried.



RE: I'm old fashioned
By mindless1 on 4/11/2009 1:43:47 AM , Rating: 2
I'm afraid biology would disagree with you. The fittest have survived and evolved, those being less muscular people even with the obvious physical combat advantage of being more muscular due to higher internal steroid production.

I can appreciate that you mentioned moderation in use, but then we have to look at diminshing returns which are contrary to the point of taking them for muscle enhancement if the negative effects are ignored.

To claim that there are other types of steroids is beside the point, you knew what type the media was referring to. Anabolic steroids are a substitute for generic musculature, so of course someone won't ever want to stop using them unless it is from penalty, or recognition of other detrimental side-effects.

It seems as though you can't see the forrest for the trees, steroid use to correct a bodily imbalance is one thing, but to cause one is quite another.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/11/2009 2:22:54 AM , Rating: 2
Very true.

Besides in nature before we got civilized having a voracious appetite because of having lot's of muscle is really a disadvantage.

A qoute from the text in the link i posted:

quote:
"At the moment, there really isn't anything out there that alters myostatin levels other than exercise," Wells said. "It costs energy to keep the muscle alive; the body is very nicely tuned, so if you don't need the muscle, you lose it." Since Liam's muscles don't see the effect of myostatin, he has a monstrous appetite. "He's hungry for a full meal about every hour because of his rapid metabolism," Dana Hoekstra told the AP. "He's already eating me out of house and home."


This is a 3 year old boy. Press the link, it is like a superman story. The lady adopted a boy only to find out the boy is unusually strong.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/11/2009 3:09:52 PM , Rating: 1
Mindless1,

You're remark about biology would be valid, were it not for the fact our environments have changed dramatically. With almost all animals, and humans of the past as well, you had to balance the size of the animal carefully due to food considerations. That's why we don't have monstrous lions; they'd need too much food, and the extra size wouldn't give them enough of an ability to get it (I guess elephants wouldn't be enough :-P).

At this point in time, being smarter, stronger, and more athletic would have advantages, and also even more because of food considerations, whereas in the past the extra food demand would be a huge detriment.

That's why we crave sugar, and fat, etc... Because we are biologically conditioned to live in an environment where food is scarce, not plentiful. So, we love things with easy calories, we love to store fat for those lean periods, and we naturally choose these foods.

But, the times have changed.

Oh, and with steroids, there are diminishing returns, so small amounts can be quite effective. But, you really need to cycle them too, if you take a good amount because the receptors become less sensitive, and you need stop taking them so they are restored to normalacy. That's why people "cycle".

Most people over 40 could use small amounts of very safe steroids, like Primobolan. In a sense, their testosterone production is lower than normal, and increasing it even slightly not only has positive influences on their lives, but also positive health effects. More muscle mass, less bodyfat, more endurance, and even stronger sexual drive.

And sorry, but Primobolan is exactly the type of steroid that is banned, and it's EXTREMELY safe. But, because it's a steroid, and there are dangerous ones like Anadrol, well, let's ban it too, because the media brain-washed the public.

The irony is, now they give people testosterone, and call it 'hormone replacement', instead of synthetic steroids. Testosterone is the worst, but because it can be called 'hormone replacement', it's palatable. When you hear a bodybuilder is on "Test", or "Anadrol", part of you really wants to tell him to stop, it's not worth it. When you hear someone is on Primobolan, you have no worries at all, and realize he's being smart about it. That's one of the things A-Roid took. So, there's a huge difference in different steroids, huge.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By Subzero0000 on 4/11/2009 3:45:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Good God, I was just kidding with the post. You really couldn't tell?


I think you're getting out of touch with the real world.
Why would anyone know that you were just kidding? We can't actually hear your tones or see the expression on your face. All we see is your writing, and with no hints whatsoever as just-being-kidding on the topic.

[ back to the topic ]
the guy in the photo looks really gay... and his pose is gay too...


RE: I'm old fashioned
By PhoenixKnight on 4/10/2009 4:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
Who said that this has to be a replacement for steroids? I mean, just imagine the awesome results you'll get when you combine steroids with the HAL suit.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By mindless1 on 4/11/2009 1:48:42 AM , Rating: 2
It will have very little practical effect. Actually close to zero since it is not an additive strength of muscle plus suit, even if that were possible then you would be exceeding the design capability of the suit and if it were to break that is a very ugly sudden destruction of the limb on which it broke.

The one way steroids might help is that the weak link in the suit as designed is that it requires this up to 10X strengh to still be borne by our primary tools, our hands, and through the wrist they are connected to the support from the suit.

For example, you might have biceps that allow you to curl 75lbs, but if a suit allowed 10 * 75, 750lbs, your wrists and hands cannot support that for more than a brief moment if that.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By surt on 4/10/2009 6:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
Steroids will not make you ten times stronger. Most of the steroids guys at the gym can barely do 2x, rarely 3x what I can do.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By ClownPuncher on 4/10/2009 6:40:29 PM , Rating: 3
It also makes you slaughter your family, according to Chris Benoit.


RE: I'm old fashioned
By phxfreddy on 4/10/2009 10:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
I want the shakey hand version!


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