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The Model S' huge LCD mounted in the dash.  (Source: Gizmodo)

  (Source: Gizmodo)
Not available for delivery until 2011

Pioneering electric car company Tesla Motors has unveiled its new Model S electric sports sedan. It will have a range of up to 300 miles (482 km), and be able to go from 0-60 MPH in 5.5 seconds according to Jalopnik. It will also be able to seat seven passengers, through the use of flip-up seats stored in the trunk. The rear-facing seats, however, are only suitable for small children.
 
A regular charge will take four hours to complete, but there is a 45 minute fast charge option to provide enough power for a quick jaunt. Tesla expects the batteries to last between seven and ten years based on regular usage models.

According to Autoblog Green, the battery pack for the Model S weighs in at a whopping 1,200 pounds. Total vehicle weight, however, is just over 4,000 pounds.

One of the more interesting features of the Model S is its gigantic touch screen display which takes up most of the center dash/console area. According to Gizmodo, the Model S has an “always on” 3G connection which delivers streaming content to the LCD screen.

The Model S will enter production in the third quarter of 2011, with a targeted ramp up to a production rate of 20,000 sedans per year in the middle of 2012. It will carry a base price of $57,400, but that will drop down to $49,900 after a federal tax credit of $7,500.

The launch event showed a prototype using a single speed transmission to reduce complexity, but an all-wheel drive variant is planned. The drivetrain will be produced at its new San Jose facility.

Maintenance costs will be much less than other cars in the same price category, as there are no oil changes required, and the regenerative braking system means much less wear and tear. The biggest savings will be in fuel costs, regardless of its current price at the pump.

Tesla plans to use profits and experience generated from the Model S to develop a second, more affordable family sedan for the mass market. It will complement its Roadster sports car and provide more options to its potential customers.

The firm recently delivered its 250th Tesla Roadster to a customer in California. Production of the Roadster is currently at 20 cars per week, but will steadily increase to 30 per week this summer. There is currently a backlog of over 1,000 customers awaiting delivery of a Roadster.



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Great use of tax dollars
By KeithP on 3/26/2009 7:45:47 PM , Rating: 3
Its great to see tax dollars going towards a vehicle with a price high enough that the people that buy it don't need the tax credit. Heck for most of the buyers, this will be a second or third car.

"But this helps develop the technology that is needed for cheaper cars!" You say. BS. The only thing unique about this car is the packaging. They aren't really doing anything ground breaking to the basics that run the thing,

I am not anti-green. I think it is very important that we drastically cut our dependence on oil. But giving tax breaks for $60,000, or even $40,000 vehicles is not the way to do it.

I guess the bright side is that the way things are going for this company, there is a reasonably good chance that they won't be in business long enough to bring this thing to market.




RE: Great use of tax dollars
By swhibble on 3/26/09, Rating: -1
RE: Great use of tax dollars
By FITCamaro on 3/26/2009 8:56:57 PM , Rating: 5
Not hardly. In South Carolina the maximum tax is $300 for cars (course they more than make up for it every year with property taxes). A tax credit is applied to your income. Not to the purchase. You still pay the full cost of the car when you buy it.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By BansheeX on 3/26/2009 11:48:15 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Try learning what a tax CREDIT is. It doesn't come out of anyones pocket, it is simply that the government doesn't collect some of the tax due on the vehicle.


Given equal use of government services provided by taxation, taxing party A more than party B is effectively subsidizing party B with party A's money. Gays and singles subsidize the married, people with no children subsidize children with many, people who rent subsidize people who own, people who work subsidize people who don't, companies without lobbying funds subsidize larger companies with them, companies selling cheap electric cars (Aptera) subsidize those selling expensive concepts (Chevy, Tesla). It's all part of social engineering concepts rooted in socialist academia, the idea that a politician trying to win votes and campaign financing should incentivize one legal activity over another and can better direct market capital than earners of the capital themselves.

But thanks for proving how utterly dumb the average person is to basic principles behind the tax system, how it changes human behavior, how it allows politicians to convince you that the market was purely to blame when it fails, and subsequently, how hopeless it is to ever repudiate it on a national level.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Chernobyl68 on 3/27/2009 1:53:11 AM , Rating: 4
Looking at the Aptera, it appears to be a trike, not a car - and so would fall under motorcycle classification rather than automobile. So, it doesn't meet the same crash safety standards as Tesla's CARS would.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By shin0bi272 on 3/27/2009 8:35:55 AM , Rating: 2
it also depends on how they apply the credit. If they are applying it before you buy the vehicle then thats a backhanded tax on those who dont buy the car. If they apply it at tax time then you still have to pay for the car's full price, and the sales taxes on that price first... then its a backhanded tax on those who didnt buy that car on april 15th... either way not the way we should be purchasing vehicles.

If these vehicles are better than gasoline cars then the government wouldnt have to add subsidies or tax credits to get people to buy them. This car Id buy if this is the production model... well assuming I didnt live in an apartment and had the ability to charge the thing.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By h0kiez on 3/27/2009 9:57:00 AM , Rating: 2
It really doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it's still $7,500 less that the gov't has in its pocket that it will have to get from somewhere else (other taxpayers).


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By shin0bi272 on 3/28/2009 1:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
Thats exactly my problem with it. They will use any excuse to spend money since they have no self control or concept of a 0 base budget. It wont be long before this tax credit goes away and in its place is a tax on those who buy gasoline vehicles.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By h0kiez on 3/27/2009 9:58:26 AM , Rating: 2
Fucking cheers to that. Well said.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By kkwst2 on 3/26/2009 10:11:42 PM , Rating: 5
Few things are groundbreaking by your definition. It's evolutionary. The transition to electric cars is as much about providing incentives for people to try them as it is developing groundbreaking technology.

Tesla is making the electric car sexy and encouraging early adopters. If they can really pull this off, they've already gone from a $100k+ car to a $60k car in a few years. That sounds like "developing technology that is needed for cheaper cars." The people buying this car already pay a ton in taxes. The tax break isn't a ton more than the sales tax on the car. It's not always about who NEEDS a tax break, but getting people who have money to spend it where you need/want them to spend it. Your kind of thinking is pretty short-sighted in my book.

I agree that it may not be the most efficient way of encouraging adoption. The most efficient way would be to tax the hell out of gas until it hurts enough that people start to adopt cars like this. But I'll bet you won't like that idea either.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Spuke on 3/27/2009 12:26:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The most efficient way would be to tax the hell out of gas until it hurts enough that people start to adopt cars like this. But I'll bet you won't like that idea either.
The only problem with that method is that only the middle class and poor would be affected. Everyone else would continue business as usual. Maybe the upper middle class and lower rich would buy cheaper cars but that's about it. Sales tax revenues and registration fees would decrease so you would need that initial tax to be REALLY high to make up for the loss of revenue from a huge chunk of people not buying new cars or buying used cheaper cars. As much money as some state governments spend, that just won't work.

Look at the present economy. Car sales are in the crapper because some people can't get loans, some people have lost their jobs, and the rest are just plain scared.

Before the economy took a crap, CA was considering raising sales and gas taxes to make up for the loss of revenue from people not buying new cars because of the high gas prices. They ended up raising the sales tax anyways for different reasons (grrrr).


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By shin0bi272 on 3/27/2009 8:29:26 AM , Rating: 4
No theres another problem with that method... it unduly taxes the american public (rich and poor) for the purposes of furthering a political agenda and is unconstitutional.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Spuke on 3/27/2009 11:44:11 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
t unduly taxes the american public (rich and poor) for the purposes of furthering a political agenda and is unconstitutional.
Sure enough and I didn't know that was unconstitutional. Might explain why it's never been done.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By shin0bi272 on 3/28/2009 1:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
unconstitutional just means that its not in the constitution. Article 1 Section 8 defines what the federal government is allowed to spend its money on... theres nothing in it about giving tax subsidies to people to purchase one car over another.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Spuke on 3/28/2009 4:15:14 PM , Rating: 2
The thing about the Constitution is that if something is not specified then it's unconstitutional. Meaning you're not allowed to do it. Hence, unconstitutional.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By callmeroy on 3/30/2009 9:58:41 AM , Rating: 2
That's one of the most rediculous statements I've read in a week....but whatever.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Chernobyl68 on 3/27/2009 12:04:32 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair, they've been considering raising it for a while - the gax tax has not kept up with the maintenantce needs of the state highways, with the rising cost of labor and materials.


RE: Great use of tax dollars
By Wierdo on 3/27/2009 11:09:46 AM , Rating: 2
Well, lets consider the bigger picture here... if we can reduce our dependence on oil then it may be worth it. Gas prices are pretty cheap here because of heavy subsidies. I did a quick google to see if there's some estimate of how much these are:

http://www.progress.org/gasoline.htm

If the figures presented above are accurate, then we're basically spending around 1.7 trillion dollars per year on subsidies that artificially make oil so cheap compared to other nations. Realistically the price of oil should be closer to $15 per gallon without subsidies according to that link.

If true, then it sorta makes it difficult for new technology to replace them since they don't get subsidies that high to make them competitive enough.


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