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Q3 2009 Launch

Intel's has 32nm plans with Clarkdale and Arrandale for the mainstream value segment, but enthusiasts who are looking for quad core performance at a reasonable price will look at Lynnfield and Clarksfield instead.

Lynnfield is the mainstream 45nm quad core variant of the Core i7, featuring 8MB of L3 cache and an on-die dual-channel DDR3 controller. Based on Nehalem, it is targeted at the mainstream performance segment, and uses a new LGA-1156 socket that is incompatible with the Core i7's LGA-1366 socket.

With new sockets will come new chipsets. Intel will expand their 5 series of chipsets with new models for consumers and businesses. All Nehalem and Westmere based products use DDR3.

The Q57 chipset, codenamed Piketon, is targeted at businesses, while the P55 chipset, codenamed Kings Creek, is targeted at consumers.

Kings Creek will be supplemented in Q1 2010 by the P57. Both will have support for two external 8-lane PCIe graphics. They are supposed to be in the Performance mainstream segment.

Neither USB 3.0, SATA 6Gb/s, PCIe 3.0, or ECC memory support were on the list of features that DailyTech received, although this may change in the future.

Clarksfield is the mobile version of Lynnfield for laptops. It uses the Capella Platform with a new chipset codenamed Ibex-Peak M. As with the current Centrino 2 platform, wireless internet will be available through an 802.11n Wi-Fi module (Puma Peak) or a WiMAX chipset (Kilmer Peak).

DailyTech has received information that Lynnfield and Clarksfield may be replaced by quad core Westmere variants in the middle of 2010. Intel refuses to comment on unannounced products, although they did state that "additional 32nm products will follow in 2010".

The timing couldn't be better, as Windows 7 is slated to launch at around the same time. It will have many features, including improved usage of multiple cores.



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Two different sockets!
By Clauzii on 2/10/2009 6:17:55 PM , Rating: 4
Why does Intel not make the same socket for all? Wouldnt it be cheaper to make 100 millions of one, instead of having two different lines? It would certanly have made it easier for i5 -> i7 upgraders...




RE: Two different sockets!
By xsilver on 2/10/2009 6:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
i7 was always intended for server/enterprise markets especially with its tri ddr3 setup.

People just couldnt wait to upgrade and ignored the bleeding edge cost.

i5 is the true upgrade to core2


RE: Two different sockets!
By EglsFly on 2/10/2009 7:07:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
i7 was always intended for server/enterprise markets especially with its tri ddr3 setup. People just couldnt wait to upgrade and ignored the bleeding edge cost. i5 is the true upgrade to core2

but i5 "Lynnfield and Clarksfield", also use DDR3... which is about twice as expensive as DDR2 at the moment.

On another note...
If it wasn't for AMD, Intel would not be pushing out these upgrades as fast as they are and dropping prices like apples falling from a tree. Heck, when Phenom II came out, reading the Anandtech article..., the top end Intel CPU 9650 dropped 40% in price!!!

If they continue to drive AMD to the limit and out of the CPU market, we will all be paying for it literally in the end!


RE: Two different sockets!
By Pryde on 2/10/2009 9:24:42 PM , Rating: 2
How many people actually buy Intel Quad Extreme Processors, compared to sales of Q9300 - Q9550 ... very few. Intel Extreme Processors have always been known to have the worst price / performance and a price cut since i7 launch we all knew was coming, Intel just waited until AMD released PhII to decide what the final prices were.

AMD is already out of the market and based on current road maps AMD will have nothing that beats PhII for 1 1/2 - 2 years and by then if Intel doesn't hit any speed bumps they will be onto 32nm and a new architecture.


RE: Two different sockets!
By tfranzese on 2/10/2009 11:45:41 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
but i5 "Lynnfield and Clarksfield", also use DDR3... which is about twice as expensive as DDR2 at the moment.


That was clearly not what EglsFly was referring to, read more carefully. It's a matter of double versus triple memory channels which has no barring on the type of memory used. The extra channel adds more complexity to the memory controller and routing on the motherboards not to mention the extra/minimum DIMM slots required to support it. All in all, it's an expensive platform, not necessarily a good choice for mainstream at this time or in this recession.


RE: Two different sockets!
By tfranzese on 2/10/2009 11:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
Replace EglsFly with xsilver. It was EglsFly's post I was commenting on/quoted if anyone got confused. I obviously was :P


RE: Two different sockets!
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2009 5:20:56 AM , Rating: 2
I think that his point is this.

The prices of DDR3 are high now, but when i5 is released they will have come down still further and only having 2 channels will not lead people to buying 3 sticks but only 2, all in all the cost is reduced overall and will be more palatable to the general consumer market, who are probably happy with their core2 systems anyway however.


RE: Two different sockets!
By jonmcc33 on 2/10/2009 11:43:39 PM , Rating: 4
I wouldn't call something that doesn't use ECC memory to be intended for server/enterprise market. Consider SQL and Oracle databases...you'd want that to be accurate when running critical number crunching processes.

Core i7 was meant for enthusiast/gaming market. The Intel Xeon has and always will be synonymous with server/enterprise.


RE: Two different sockets!
By x86 64 on 2/16/2009 9:28:13 AM , Rating: 2
I think he was talking about the architecture and general setup of the i7 not the specifics of ECC and such. i7 is meant to put AMD out of business by finally overtaking them in the server space. It just might do it too.


RE: Two different sockets!
By The0ne on 2/10/2009 6:25:16 PM , Rating: 2
Money comes to my mind first :) There are lots to be had for that small change, like ipods :)


RE: Two different sockets!
By Doormat on 2/10/2009 6:54:22 PM , Rating: 2
Because triple channel for consumer processors is overkill. So they allow it for the enthusiast/workstation/server market. For consumers, you want low cost high volume. How much money is it to have to stick a third DIMM in for a i7 if Dell wanted to sell them as mainstream computers?


RE: Two different sockets!
By Shig on 2/10/2009 7:10:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well we have been seeing lower wattage procs coming out more and more. I would assume the Q57 socket for business will focus primarily on efficiency. Then the P55/57 will be the upgrade for core2 like was said before with the spiffy integrated graphics possibilities.

I doubt Q57 procs will feature an on die GPU. No one has ever done that before so it has to be weird with the socket.


RE: Two different sockets!
By Clauzii on 2/10/2009 7:31:17 PM , Rating: 2
Make the chipset switchable between 2 and 3 channel mode would have made it possible.

Motherboard-wise a bit more expensive ($20?), but for the enduser far more opportunities to configure a system and upgrading that SAME system big time later. As it is now it will make people wait longer to upgrade since more components needs to be changed.


RE: Two different sockets!
By tfranzese on 2/10/2009 11:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
Chipsets already do that. It's wasted die area though if the majority of what AMD/Intel/whoever manufacture does not utilize it. That said, I don't think it's much of a space saver to remove it, but who knows with the volume Intel pushes.


RE: Two different sockets!
By DigitalFreak on 2/11/2009 1:50:55 PM , Rating: 4
Chipset has nothing to do with the amount of memory or number of channels on the i7. The memory controller is part of the processor.


RE: Two different sockets!
By Clauzii on 2/12/2009 8:09:59 AM , Rating: 2
True, my bad. Just have to get used to IMCs in Intels again :)


RE: Two different sockets!
By Clauzii on 2/12/2009 8:20:24 PM , Rating: 2
The extra lanes and the extra memory socket do cost a bit though ;)


RE: Two different sockets!
By hameed on 2/11/2009 4:30:50 AM , Rating: 2
Intel doesn't care about you, they only care about how money they can get out of you. Having separate lines well allow them to maximize their profits from each line.

If you want the best you have to pay the premium.


RE: Two different sockets!
By bluemagic on 2/11/2009 7:39:05 AM , Rating: 2
The main reason sockets keep changing is so that motherboard manufactuars are forced to update their hardware/software/chipsets to stay in line with the current tech within cpu's.

Doesnt this give Intel an unfair advantage over other motherboard manufactuars as i understand it? Is there a way this is regulated in America?


RE: Two different sockets!
By Reclaimer77 on 2/14/2009 5:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why does Intel not make the same socket for all?


Is this a serious question ?

The i7 is a SERVER CPU. Intel hasn't changed their desktop socket since LGA 775 came out almost three YEARS ago. You're really faulting Intel for changing their socket after "only" three years ?

Even if the sockets were the same, you would not go i7 > i5. The i7 is a triple channel CPU, you would STILL have to change your motherboard anyway.


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