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Is Antarctica warming or cooling? Either way it proves global warming, according to climate modelers.

In the 1990s, predictions of a greenhouse-warmed Antarctic abounded. As time passed, though, problems surfaced. Research paper after paper indicated that, other than the tiny Antarctica peninsula, the continent was in fact cooling -- and had been doing so for many decades.

Skeptics pointed to this as a flaw in global warming theory. Not so fast, cried the climate modelers. They quickly spun a number of possible explanations, including ozone holes, ocean currents, and terrain that cut off Antarctica from the world's warming. As the certainty in the cooling trend grew, so did their statements, until they eventually began stating that they had predicted a cooling trend all along.

As the folks at RealClimate put it, "Doesn't this contradict [global warming]? Not at all, because a cold Antarctica is just what calculations predict… and have predicted for the past quarter century."

Cooling was thus cast as proof of global warming, not refutation. The media dutifully shifted their cameras from penguins to polar bears. The world was safe for Kyoto again.

But now a new paper has appeared, saying that Antarctica is warming after all. Written by Eric Steig and Drew Shindell, the paper purports to prove that past evidence of cooling was incorrect. But doesn't that contradict the models? Not if one can again rewrite history.

Speaking at a news conference today, Steig says, "We now see warming is taking place [in] accord with what models predict as a response to greenhouse gases."

In 2004, Shindell had something very different to say. That year he authored a paper that stated, "Surface temperatures [had] decreased significantly over most of Antarctica," Shindell added, "This cooling is consistent with circulation changes". He dedicated the rest of the paper to demonstrating that climate modeling "reproduces the vertical structure and seasonality of observed [cooling] trends."

Today, Shindell says, "It’s extremely difficult to think of any physical way that you could have increasing greenhouse gases not lead to warming at the Antarctic continent.". One can only wonder if he kept a straight face.

Even the New York Times is playing along, saying that cooling "ran counter to the forecasts of computer climate models". Memories are short.

The real story here isn't Antarctica. It's the willingness to rationalize model results to fit any and all scenarios. To the modelers, their results are consistent with. . . well, everything. Whether warmer or colder, flood or drought, more storms or less -- it's all proof that global warming is real and happening now.

This, of course, isn't real science. A true theory require something called falsifiability -- a set of conditions under which it can be disproven. So far, this is something the modelers have failed to give. It allows them to maintain a facade of unflappable certainty-- but it isn't science.

Among researchers who work with actual climate data, skepticism is climbing. The modelers at least remain faithful. But as of now, their predictions are rather like the gypsy fortune teller who tells you, "You will live a long life -- unless you die young."



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RE: Plausible deniability
By Grabo on 1/22/2009 12:28:30 PM , Rating: -1
Lol..

Well, fitting nick at least.

"As CO2 increases, this means that the salt included in the air bonding with the increased CO2 in the atmosphere speeds up the growth and health of plants along coastal areas. Soaking up the CO2 faster means release of the Oxygen much faster as well thus reducing any impact of man made CO2 released."

http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/evidence/
Look at that first graph. Significantly higher than anytime the last 650 000 years. Oh , it seems to coincide with the industrial revolution? Still, what bother, the plant's'll deal with it, right? They'll breathe (consume) more co2 and release more oxygen, and that will 'reduce the impact any human made impact has made thus far'?

"The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many JPL-designed instruments, such as AIRS. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response"

So, we still have lots of atmosperic co2 , and it's still on the rise, and we know it'll make the earth warmer. So this means a warming earth is 'good in plenty, the now icefree areas will provide the third world with food a plenty, don'tyaknow, blahblah..or what?


RE: Plausible deniability
By masher2 (blog) on 1/22/2009 12:45:14 PM , Rating: 5
> ""The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century"

If the theory of CO2 causing climate change is so basic, you might ask yourself why Arrhenius wrote several research papers in the 19th century and even a book-- and still failed to convince any of his colleagues. Why it wasn't until the 1960s, in fact, that anyone believed CO2 could affect climate, and even to the late 1970s, most believed that cooling could predominate warming. Why even today, many atmospheric physicists still don't subscribe to alarmism. Hint, the two basic problems revolve around "saturation" and "spectral overlap".

And for the record, yes: CO2 does cause the earth to warm. That's not what the debate is about at all. The base warming from CO2 is very low (about 0.5C/per doubling). The question is positive and negative feedbacks, and how large they may be.


RE: Plausible deniability
By Grabo on 1/22/09, Rating: -1
RE: Plausible deniability
By WTFiSJuiCE on 1/23/2009 2:18:04 AM , Rating: 2
At this point, NASA will say anything in hopes of not seeing their budget diced to pieces.


RE: Plausible deniability
By PlasmaBomb on 1/24/2009 1:29:23 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Current state-of-the-art climate models


The problem is that current state-of-the-art climate models can't model their way out of a (biodegradable) paper bag...


RE: Plausible deniability
By ekv on 1/28/2009 2:56:47 AM , Rating: 2
Am ignoring the "Hint" because it makes you sound like Mr. Eckart ... Check out
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jul/27/in...

and

http://www.americanunitarian.org/forum/showthread....

I have a bit of a problem with your Climate_sensitivity link since it references IPCC.

I'm sure most people here have read about IPCC's "hockey stick" but Orson Card bears repeating every now and then.

http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/070313goodprint.html


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