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SDXC cards will be available in capacities up to 2TB

The Secure Digital (SD) format has come a long way since its original inception. Originally conceived as an offshoot of the Multimedia Card (MMC) format, SD cards have matured over the years into the Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) versions that are prevalent today for capacities greater than 2GB.

Current SDHC cards are artificially limited to just 32GB, which means that a new standard is being ushered in to boost capacities into the stratosphere. As a result, the new Secure Digital eXtended Capacity (SDXC) format was introduced today at CES. SDXC cards have a theoretical maximum capacity of 2TB and theoretical maximum read/write speeds of 300MB/sec.

The first SDXC cards will hit the market during the first quarter of 2009; however, these first generation cards will have a maximum transfer rate of 104 MB/sec.

"SDXC combines a higher capacity roadmap with faster transfer speeds as a means to exploit NAND flash memory technology as a compelling choice for portable memory storage and interoperability," said Gartner's Joseph Unsworth, research director, NAND Flash Semiconductors. "With industry support, SDXC presents manufacturers with the opportunity to kindle consumer demand for more advanced handset features and functionality in consumer electronics behind the ubiquitous SD interface."

"SDXC is a large-capacity card that can store more than 4,000 RAW images, which is the uncompressed mode professionals use, and 17,000 of the fine-mode most consumers use. That capacity, combined with the exFAT file system, increases movie recording time and reduces starting time to improve photo-capturing opportunities," said Canon General Manager Shigeto Kanda. "Improvements in interface speed allow further increases in continuous shooting speed and higher resolution movie recordings. As a memory card well suited to small-sized user-friendly digital cameras, the SDXC specification will help consumers realize the full potential of our cameras."

We should expect to first seeing SDXC cards from the usual suspects such as SanDisk, Lexar, and Kingston. SDXC will more than likely carry a hefty premium over current SDHC cards, but expect to see that price differential close with time.

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2Tb on an SD stick...
By Motoman on 1/7/2009 11:54:43 AM , Rating: 5
*smacks self in head*

2Tb on a wafer thin SD card.

I remember seing one of the very first 1Gb hard drives to make it into production. It was externally housed in a case nearly as big as a mid-tower ATX PC. And probably cost like $3,000.

Damn, I'm old. When did I become old? And why wasn't I notified?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go gum my breakfast mash.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By codeThug on 1/7/2009 12:00:46 PM , Rating: 3
And why wasn't I notified?

This is what happens when you miss the monthly teleconference calls.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By feraltoad on 1/7/2009 4:11:41 PM , Rating: 3
At the very least, he should have received his AARP magazine in the mail. Maybe they sent it to his Florida address. Not everyone is lucky enough to have one of those GIANT-BUTTON phones for a teleconference call.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By lagitup on 1/7/2009 4:46:21 PM , Rating: 2
This is what happens when you miss the monthly teleconference calls.

Why did you remind him? Now we're going to have to waste half the call explaining stuff again, way to go!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By wwwebsurfer on 1/7/2009 12:02:00 PM , Rating: 2
I'm only 22, but I remember running BIOS updates to get the 6GB drives to recognise correctly. Good times, good times.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Souka on 1/7/2009 12:18:31 PM , Rating: 2
My 1st HD in a computer was a whopping 20MB...

First HD upgrade I did cost $350 for a 324MB WesterDigital HD from I ruled...heheheh...

We're all old....

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By othercents on 1/7/2009 1:01:28 PM , Rating: 5
The first hard drive I remember was for the old UNIX system at my office. It was <1mb and looked like a wash machine where you had to load the platters from the top.


RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Spivonious on 1/7/2009 2:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
You win. :)

The smallest hard drive I remember is the one on our old 386 machine with DOS 4. It was 2MB and we upgraded it to 6MB. I think the machine had 256K of RAM. The whole machine cost over $3000.

The first hard drive I bought was for the first machine I built, a Celeron 333A machine. The hard drive cost $250 and was 2.4GB. Back then there was no reason for more space.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By HavocX on 1/7/2009 4:04:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think you remember wrong. When the 386 got released both ram and hard drives were bigger than that, typically around 1 MB ram and 20 MB HD.

My first computer was an 8086 with 640 KB memory, 5.25" drives only and 10 MB HD.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By foolsgambit11 on 1/7/2009 6:41:10 PM , Rating: 3
I know my 386 (SX) had a 14MB HD. It had no extended or expanded RAM, though. Nor did it have upper memory. 640KB, total. Isn't that amazing? Just 15 years ago, Windows could be run on 640KB of memory, and fit on a 14MB HD with plenty of space left over for games. If, as the article says, 2 TB can hold 17,000 fine jpeg images, then my 14MB HD could hold zero fine jpeg images - each image is about 118MB. One jpeg wouldn't fit on the average hard drive for several years.


RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Spivonious on 1/8/2009 4:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps. I do know that we had the math coprocessor installed.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By wordsworm on 1/7/2009 2:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
My first computer was a Coco from Radio Crap. It had 16KB of memory and a very unreliable tape drive. 1MB of hard disk would've been heaven to me at that time. There's nothing worse than saving a program that took an hour to write only to lose it even though you saved it 5 times to be sure... those were the days.

When I graduated to the 10MB on the 8088, I thought I was in *heaven*. I was too young for porn in those days. I remember copying games out of magazines (by hand). Those were the days... but to be honest, the BBS days were really cool. The Internet is great, and I'd never trade it in for those days, but I met a lot of flesh-and-blood geeks in those days.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By JediJeb on 1/7/2009 6:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
First computer I owned was an Atari 800XL, 64K ram and I think single density 5.25" floppy at 640k storage. But it also had a cartridge slot for pluging in ROM cartridges just like the game console so my wordprocessor worked much faster than those who had to load them from cassettes or floppies. Those also had a co-processor for graphics which made it faster for video than other computers of the time.

Atari was in the way to making some great computers till the previous CEO's sons took over when he retired, they completely killed the company, he even came back two years later but was unable to do more than salvage some of the arcade game business they had.

So miss those days, when you had to actually learn something about computers to use them.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Reclaimer77 on 1/7/2009 6:19:10 PM , Rating: 2
Pffft you had it MADE !

My first "computer" was a Tandy T100 ( yes, someone called Tandy actually made computers ). It had uhhh NO Ram, no HD, and you hooked it up to a TV because monitors didn't really exist yet for home users.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By masher2 on 1/7/2009 9:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure it had Ram. Anything Rom-only based would be totally nonprogrammable.

My first PC, an "Elf", had a grand total of 256 bytes (not MB or even KB) of Ram, and a couple 7-segment LEDs for a display. Monitor or even TV output? Don't even think about it.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Fritzr on 1/7/2009 10:29:22 PM , Rating: 2
Now come on the T100 had RAM -- 8KB on the first ones & later a massive 24KB ... OS overhead was 3130 bytes, Included were prductivity programs & a BASIC interpreter in ROM.

Although it was a private labeled Kyocera sold by Tandy not an actual Radio Shack design like the TRS-80 series.

Info from:

I started with the TS1000 (Timex licensed Sinclair ZX81) 2KB RAM for programs, display & OS overhead. Though it could be expanded to 16KB and there was a 64KB memory card that used banking to access the extra 48KB :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By sbmeirow on 1/8/2009 1:16:03 AM , Rating: 2
Magnetic Core Memory!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DFranch on 1/7/2009 2:41:27 PM , Rating: 2
My first Computer only had a 1.2MB 5.25" floppy. I bought a 30MB Hard drive for $300. That is MB not GB. Now I have 1.6TB on my HTPC.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By JonnyDough on 1/7/2009 5:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, we are. Heh. The smallest drive I have laying around is a 130mb Toshiba 2.5" drive. It worked up until about 2 years ago when I accidentally dropped it. Doh!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By emoser96 on 1/7/2009 9:17:51 PM , Rating: 3
Just think what our kids are going to say....

Man I remember when a cell phone was the size of a wallet...
Or I remember when they had these platter things called hard drives.... they only held terabytes of data.
I can't wait to hear the "I remember when's" about quantum computing begin

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
When I was a kid, son, pluto was a planet! I am 19, and the smallest old school drive I've used was 3GB, that I can remember.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By lagitup on 1/7/2009 4:50:31 PM , Rating: 2
You guys are all 16 the smallest drive I can remember was an 80gb WD =P

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By JonnyDough on 1/7/2009 5:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
Sick nerd. Grow some pubes! ROFL, just kidding young man. 80GB is still small compared to the drives of tomorrow. Micro technology is all about shrinkage. Shrinkage is usually bad though for other things. Lucky for you, you might still have a bit of growing to do yet!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By rudolphna on 1/8/2009 12:35:05 AM , Rating: 2
george castanza syndrome.. rofl!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By JonnyDough on 1/7/2009 5:56:28 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe some day you'll look back on this moment...

and run into a parked car. Good luck!

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Aeonic on 1/7/2009 12:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
Looking at NewEgg, I don't see any over 4GB. I think you can get 8GB, but we won't see 2TB cards for awhile :)

The thing is, the current specification, SDHC, has a theoretical max capacity of 2TB, but they limited it artificially (as the article noted). So this really isn't news, they just removed the artificial limit, and manufactures are now "allowed" to make bigger cards.

There's no tech breakthrough or anything as far as I can tell. Not that I don't enjoy the idea of a 2TB SD card :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By MozeeToby on 1/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By ChronoReverse on 1/7/2009 12:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how it could get smaller than the current MicroSD format and still be useful. SD, MiniSD, and MicroSD basically hits all the useful size formats.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By defter on 1/7/2009 12:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
32GB have been available for a while, for example here:

It was quite silly to limit SDHC to 32GB, that's only 16x capacity of a standard 2GB SD format. SDXC offers 64x capacity jump, so it's a bit better.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Chernobyl68 on 1/7/2009 1:02:01 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, this just looks like a "standard" being announced. How physically big would a card be today, that was 2TB? A Terabyte is at least 2 orders of magnitude larger than most SD cards or on the market. (neweggs largest today is 6GB) but flash drives are bigger, up to 64GB so far I think. I use flash drives more than the cards themselves.
It will be more than a few years to see anything close to a terabyte in a SD card.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By surt on 1/7/2009 1:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
I bought two 16GB sdhc from new egg in the last 6 months, both more than 2 months ago. Only $40 too, pretty cheap.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Jimbo1234 on 1/7/2009 1:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, 4GB can be had for about $7, 8GB for under $14, and 16GB for about $27.

Thye're all about the same for $/GB: cheap! 32GB at $128 gets more expensive.

I remember when I bought a 3GB HD for $300 in '97. Isn't technology great? Now if car prices scaled like that, we'd all be driving Bugattis.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Spectator on 1/7/2009 2:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
Compare those stats with SSD storage. lol

if silicon + profit for 16GB (Wafer thin tech) = $27. how can intel possibly defend $600 ish for a 60gig SSD thats massive in comparrison.

Im guessing the Milking times are getting shorter in this new age.

just wait until smart ppl's work out how to program I7 cpu's default settings with all those nice pins on the top of the chip.

Fun times ahead for slow/arrogant/greedy tech providers. :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By knifesideleft on 1/7/2009 3:29:29 PM , Rating: 2
Why is it at least 6x the cost per gb? Why are we not all just throwing a bunch of SDHC cards together and running our computers on them? Why does the x-25m need all that extra hardware?

Well the write/read speeds are one. A good portion of cheap sdhc cards cant even write over 20 MB/s. The Intel drive can do something like 170. Normal hard drives can do between 70 and 100.

I also know it needs extra hardware to manage that data. Once instance that comes to mind is that flash can only be written a certain number of times before it wears out. This is ok for flash cards but hard drives can make small changes 100s of times. This drive would wear out in no time so it manages the writes in such a way that writes data evenly to make it last longer.

Its pretty new tech anyway which has considerable Research and Dev costs so they need to be sold for a premium to make back some of those costs.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DragonMaster0 on 1/7/2009 3:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
The price of these cards really falls down. I bought a Patriot Memory 16GB SDHC card for ~$150 in Dec 2007. I got another one a few months ago for $40, and it now costs about $25.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By RamarC on 1/7/2009 2:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
Looking at NewEgg, I don't see any over 4GB. I think you can get 8GB

there are a few 32GB SDHC cards for $100+. 16GB cards are fairly common and only $30.

the specification is limited to 32GB for compatibility and considered the practical limitations at the time the spec was issued some years ago.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DragonMaster0 on 1/7/2009 4:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
the specification is limited to 32GB for compatibility

*cough* FAT32 *cough* (Windows isn't able to format FAT32 partitions over 32GB large, even though the file system supports 2TB)

They talk about "exFAT" for the new cards, does Windows support it?

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By TomZ on 1/7/2009 4:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
exFAT is supported in Vista SP1.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By kensiko on 1/7/2009 9:48:28 PM , Rating: 2
Fat32Format :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Darkk on 1/8/2009 11:02:50 PM , Rating: 2
It is true Windows won't let you format a large hard drive in FAT32. However, you can use 3rd party software to format any size hard drive in FAT32. I have seen a 500GB hard drive formatted this way as a single partition and it works fine. Problem is FAT32 can't handle extreme large files such as 6gigs.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Dystopic on 1/7/2009 12:16:02 PM , Rating: 2
I remember 5MB & 10MB HDs back in 1988 - 5.25" FH. the 5MB was around $800 and the 10MB was around $1000. I still have one of the 5MB ST506 drives.

1Gb disk - 125MB were never as large as a mid tower PC - unless you count some of those old IBM DAS drives -sounded like metal ball bearings bouncing on a drum.

But 2GB on a postage stamp...

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Motoman on 1/7/2009 12:20:51 PM , Rating: 2 dad bought an IBM PC AT when they first came out - for like $10k. I think it had something like a 10Mb hard drive in it...which was ridiculously huge at the time. I logged on to my first BBS with that computer <sniff>.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By PrazVT on 1/7/2009 12:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
And I remember our 286 with a 30mb hdd that never had enough space on it to install games. So more than once I had to zip the c:\Windows folder (windows 3.1 mind you) to free up enough space for stuff like Ultima, Police Quest, Test Drive 1, etc.

But wow..2TB. Are SSD drives 2TB yet?

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Quiescent on 1/7/2009 12:16:52 PM , Rating: 2
I feel the same way, and I'm 20.

The thing that makes me feel sad about this, is that I won't be able to use this nice looking SDXC in my SD/SDHC/MMC capable card reader on both my desktop and my EeePC 4G Surf. :(

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By HelToupee on 1/7/2009 12:28:01 PM , Rating: 2
You're old? I still have a full-height (think 3.5" HDD, but 5 inches tall) SCSI (25-pin, maybe) drive that held a whopping 50 Megs. Was going to salvage magnets.

I have a picture of my Dad standing next to one of the first "hard drives" ever produced. Thing was the size of a washing machine. I believe it held 20MB with all the platters installed.

IBM's first hard drive held 5MB, was the size of 2 refrigerators and weighed over a ton.

Get off-a my lawn, ya kids :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By theapparition on 1/7/2009 12:34:26 PM , Rating: 1
2Tb on a wafer thin SD card.

Whooaaa.....hold on there Grandpa.

This article only states that a new specification is available that will extend ultimate capacity towards 2Tb. Doesn't mean that someone has a 2Tb stick to sell you.

Similar to 40bit PAE, where something like 5peta-bytes are addressable, doesn't mean anything has been made that can take advantage of it. Current SDHC cards are theoretically limited to 32GB, but I don't believe any are offered at that size.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By heffeque on 1/7/2009 12:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
Just checking out the store downstairs and there's a 16 GB micro-SD card from Sandisk being sold for 62 euros. I'm pretty sure that if you look a little harder you'll probably find those 32 GB ones somewhere.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Jimbo1234 on 1/7/2009 1:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:57:14 AM , Rating: 2
It makes sense they are introducing it now we have hit the 32GB barrier on SDHC cards. We need to start thinking aobut 64GB SDXC... but wow just wow at the capacity... Even 32GB for flash memory is alot...

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Shadowself on 1/7/2009 12:42:36 PM , Rating: 3

My first rotating magnetic memory device was the size of a small washing machine and held only 5 MB. It was a huge jump several years later for a 300 MB drive that fit into a 19" rack (6U height). (The stupid head of IT bought a bare bones drive and it fell upon me to write the drivers *and* build the enclosure and physical interface too!)

My first solid state drive was a special one of a kind back in the early 70s for a DEC machine with 16 kB to get us around how slow the tapes and disks were.

We've certainly come a long way.

Now where's those MP3 players and high end phones with 1 TB of storage? I don't need on yet (everything I want to put onto one, today, would fit within 64 GB), but in time I can see wanting 1 TB or more in my pocket.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Lord 666 on 1/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/7/2009 1:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
If you feel old, then I guess I'm trapped into the Pleistocene :(

First computer displayed this at startup:

**** COMMODORE 64 BASIC v2 ****
64k RAM system 38911 basic bytes free

Storage: general electric dataset recorder.

I still miss issuing a sys 64738 command :(

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Jimbo1234 on 1/7/2009 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget Load "",8,1

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/7/2009 2:03:52 PM , Rating: 2
That was for the rich who had the 1541 disk drive :D

I remember a friend of mine who had the c128 with the 1571 drive and a fastload cartridge... I was amazed at the speed of that thing!

Really felt dizzy because of the vertiginous speeds that 2mhz CPU could attain in fast mode in contrast to my humble 1mhz CBM 64 :D

Never felt like a pro when doing a poke 53280,0 just to turn the screen border black? :D

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Motoman on 1/7/2009 2:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, I totally win the C64 war.

I had my C64 with me when I went to college. During the take-home final exam for Finite Math in my first semester, I got too lazy to properly look up the way to do a particularly funky solution, but it occurred to me that I could approximate it pretty easily.

So I wrote up some C64 BASIC to do some really simple arithmetic, and iterated it like 1,000 in a DO loop. Put my approximated result on the test, and handed in my ~10 lines of code for my "proof". Got half-credit on that answer...

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Motoman on 1/7/2009 2:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
...I later added an Amiga 500 (which rawked), but eventually gave in and bought a PC I think during my junior year in college. Swank 486SX at, I think, 33Mhz? Dialed into school with my external 2400 baud modem to get to the TSO screen to do my homework ;)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Jimbo1234 on 1/8/2009 1:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, the A500. I had one of those with WB 1.3. I upgraded it to 1MB! with the trap door. I got sick of not having a battery backed up clock. Then I upgraded to a fat Agnus to get all chip mem. After that I installed an AdSpeed (14Mhz! 2X the original). Eventually even that got slow with 2 floppy drives, so I upraded to a GVP 68030 40Mhz side add-on with a 170MB SCSI HD and 1MB "Fast" RAM.

Those were the days when an OS fit onto 1 880KB disc and I actually knew what each file was for. Moria was the best game, although the interlace flicker on the images between levels was annoying. I never got around to getting a flicker fixer and multisync monitor. The Commodore (1084 I think was the model number) was hackable to run PAL at least for a bit more lines of res. It just required drilling out part of the rear casing to get to the other 2 knobs.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Motoman on 1/8/2009 11:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
...I'm not sure that Final Copy wasn't the best word processor ever made...

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Ytsejamer1 on 1/7/2009 2:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
ha ha...

The Old Vic20 I had back in the day had its storage on a tape cassette hooked to the computer somehow. I don't even remember. I played those centipede type games right off of tape. I ruled... :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Fritzr on 1/7/2009 10:47:59 PM , Rating: 2
The Datassette ... Digital cassette player that plugged into the Cassette Port on the back of the computer ... The Datassette worked with all of the CBM 8 bit machines. though I think there were a few models that did not have an open cassette port. There was a separate Datassette for the Plus 4/C-16 that had exta hardware in the computer end of the cable.

This was a very good drive. With the Rabbit card or Quicksave (typein printed in Compute! magazine) it was actually faster than the 1541 & 1571 floppy drives :)

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By DLeRium on 1/7/2009 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
You don't even have to go back that far. Remember in 2005 when the iPod Nano first came out? What was it? $200? People disassembled the 4gb flash drive to sell it on the internet for $230+. I remember paying triple digits for a "fast" 512mb card when I first got my camera in 2003.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By coldpower27 on 1/8/2009 1:48:47 AM , Rating: 2
2TB? That is still sometime away. Were not even quite there yet on the Hard Drive front. Let alone this new SDXC format, I think were only entering the arena of where 32GB SDHC are finally somewhat affordable in the 150-250 CAN range.

That amount is mind boggling.

Well I expect 64GB SDXC cards to be price at 300-500 CND minimum then at first whenever they appear though it truly depends on how much 32GB SDHC cards are at he time...

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By ggordonliddy on 1/9/2009 12:34:15 AM , Rating: 2
Why are you saying it can only do 2 tera bits instead of the reported 2 tera bytes ?

Un-f'ing-believable. Just pure laziness and/or maddening ignorance.

RE: 2Tb on an SD stick...
By Simpsonizer on 1/9/2009 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
2 TB ?? I thought it was a typo at first when I saw the headline! Absolutly blows my mind that a thin wafer chip can hold that much data reliably. To add hdd disks are behind now. I notice some are using an lower case b wich is usually for bits lol

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