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Ford lives up to the hype with the Fusion Hybrid

DailyTech has talked about the Ford Fusion Hybrid on two previous occasions. With each article, the car has grown even more impressive.

When DailyTech first visited the Fusion Hybrid, Ford boldly predicted that the vehicle would top the Toyota Camry Hybrid in the city by 5 MPG. A month later, we reported that auto journalists were able to extract 43 MPG from the Fusion Hybrid in city testing while a Ford engineer managed an even more impressive 46 MPG.

For once, it appears that an auto manufacturer is actually living up to the hype. The EPA has officially released mileage figures for the Fusion Hybrid and the vehicle does better than even Ford's initial projections of 38 MPG. In fact, the vehicle is rated at 41 MPG in the city and 36 MPG on the highway -- 8 MPG and 2 MPG better respectively than the Camry Hybrid.

The Fusion Hybrid is able to achieve high ratings in the city thanks to its fuel efficient 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine, CVT transmission, second generation hybrid system, and a lighter and more powerful battery pack.

"It's not just one thing, but thousands... We've optimized the heck out of that vehicle, it's individual components," said Fusion Hybrid program leader Praveen Cherian.

Ford's Fusion Hybrid can travel up to 47 MPH on battery power alone and will start at $27,270.



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RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 2:50:45 PM , Rating: 4
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So I guess thats why Honda is bringing the TSX and Accord diesel to US?
Both cars are delayed indefinitely. Apparently, the auto tranny TSX did not pass emissions standards.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Lord 666 on 12/23/2008 4:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
Source please...


By Spuke on 12/23/2008 5:21:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently the emissions failure was incorrect but anywho:
http://tinyurl.com/77awau
http://tinyurl.com/9shmb9


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 5:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
it is true that the united states produces 22 percent of the worlds CO2 emissions for about 4 percent of its total population. european union produces 15 percent for about 7 percent of the worlds population. thats what your stringent emissions have contributed to the world.

the strongest opposition to diesel technology in america is probably from the least educated, or from those with most to lose. as i said, its not about replacing existing infrastructure right now, its about supplementing it surely.

this is what hybrids are trying to do, and failing, mainly because they simply arent efficient to build in comparison to the small gain in economy they might supply. its a sadly misguided action from well meaning intentions, but the prius for example has its toxic materials shipped and processed all around the world. then built in the east and shipped to the west. how on earth is that overall more economical to this planet than a locally built vehicle sourced from national resources?? sadly the people who buy them seem to think they are saving the planet!!

as for the person mentioning the extra maintenance for diesel powered vehicles, did you miss the comment i had posted about the new gen PSA group/ford diesel that gives service intervals of 12000 miles? it does nothing but help to focus exactly how out of touch some americans are with modern european diesel technology. diesel is nothing like the way YOU think it is- or more importantly nothing like it WAS. noisy? no. smelly? no. short service intervals? what else you gonna come up with? stop living in the past


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 5:30:37 PM , Rating: 3
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thats what your stringent emissions have contributed to the world.
Sources please!!! Also, we're talking about vehicle emissions not total emissions here. Stick to the topic.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 5:46:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sources please!!! Also, we're talking about vehicle emissions not total emissions here. Stick to the topic.


well the source is CDIAC for the U.N. i admit it isnt narrowly relevant to vehicle emissions, but then it still illustrates on the whole that the regulations must be flawed somewhere, or that overall america couldnt actually care less about total emissions and therefore arguing about diesel emissions is somewhat amusing when there is bigger fish to fry clearly!

the prius fad is just another point. it probably doesnt use more energy in its life from build to scrap than a hummer from recent studies, but it still isnt anything like the big gain you would expect. you may as well build a small efficient petrol or diesel. the actual environmental impact of something like a prius is still far more than it should be to make it truly guilt free motoring.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 7:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
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illustrates on the whole that the regulations must be flawed somewhere, or that overall america couldnt actually care less about total emissions and therefore arguing about diesel emissions is somewhat amusing when there is bigger fish to fry clearly!
So where's the proof that our supposed disparity in CO2 emissions is because we simply don't care? BTW, I find arguing amusing.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 8:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
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So where's the proof that our supposed disparity in CO2 emissions is because we simply don't care? BTW, I find arguing amusing.


wheres the proof that it isnt? you tell me. the united states is a developed country with a terrible history of complete disregard for controlling CO2 emissions namely the kyoto protocol. i scratch my chin when american citizens apoparently living in a democracy here claim to voice concerns over diesel vehicle emissions, all the while the protocol remains unratified and the overall contribution to world pollution is off the scale per head especially for the 'first world'.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By hashish2020 on 12/24/2008 11:29:54 PM , Rating: 1
Are you honestly going to spit that crap out.

America didn't SIGN the Kyoto Treaty...but EVERY country who signed it came NOWHERE CLOSE to the goals outlined in it so who gives a fuck

Let's use some basic scientific observation

Two VERY similar countries, the US and Canada

Now, the US never ratified, Canada did

From 1990-2004, Canada's CO2 emissions rose 27%
America's? Only 16%

Not to mention, population growth in the US is FAR HIGHER than European countries or Canada, both from immigration and natural growth


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:26:19 PM , Rating: 2
america signed, but didnt ratify. i cant be bothered commenting on other points in your topic, if you cant get that right. :-/


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Alexvrb on 12/23/2008 10:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
With regard to maintenence costs, these modern diesels can be expensive. Long service intervals mean little if the service required is very costly. I don't know if the emissions systems required to make some of these diesels legal here would require extra maintenence. However I can tell you that these new diesels require costly 5w40 fully synthetic diesel-formulated oil, and they typically have larger sumps than a comparable gas engine. The filters are also more expensive, sometimes MUCH more expensive.


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
so you run an american diesel vehicle?

typical service costs here (uk) of a diesel vehicle versus a petrol vehicle is roughly the same. insignificant differences. and i deal with maybe 20 service bills a week in the garage i work. happy?

you could factor all sorts in too which isnt mentioned here, like how diesel vehicles usually cost more to buy (fair point), but typically depreciate less. depreciation is the largest cost of running a vehicle, if you wasnt aware


By dubyadubya on 12/23/2008 10:55:10 PM , Rating: 1
Yup Yup Yup. But you can only get so many gallons of diesel fuel out or a barrel of crude. I can't remember the exact amount per barrel but it is much less than the amount of gasoline. So what are we supposed to do, buy more crude oil so we can increase production of diesel fuel then resell the gasoline to make up the difference? makes no sense the me.

By the time you factor in the added expense for the diesel powertrain, the premium price you have to pay for diesel fuel its just not worth it unless you need a truck. Diesels in cold climates need different fuel blends or at least additives. In general diesel engines have way more starting problems in cold climates than gasoline engines do. Sure you can plug them in but its just one more thing to deal with.

One last thing unrelated to your comment but related to others.
Many are bashing the Big Three for no fucking reason!!!
The trouble is Dumb Ass Americans that wanted to drive a 1 ton truck to work and back. What were the big Three to do, you guessed it build big ass vehicles. You must build products the public will buy! Many people say they should of thought ahead. Look it takes close to 2 years to change production over from 1 ton trucks to scooters. How the hell could the big Three know when to switch, a fucking crystal ball? Plus you can't pre engineer vehicles for production for when your crystal ball tells switch over.

The Big Three got hosed from all sides. The UAW is sucking them dry. The US government has done nothing to help create a level playing field. The economy is in the dumps and the dumb ass public that wanted a 1 ton trucks now wants a high MPG vehicle but has no money to buy one. Go figure


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By hashish2020 on 12/24/2008 11:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
CO2 is not the only emission. The reason diesels were regulated more stringently was NOX and particulate emissions. Look it up


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:38:22 PM , Rating: 2
DPF....been fitted to european diesel vehicles since 1996. NOx traps, a state of the art technology european diesel manufacturers are adopting. look it up. LOL :-)


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