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Ford lives up to the hype with the Fusion Hybrid

DailyTech has talked about the Ford Fusion Hybrid on two previous occasions. With each article, the car has grown even more impressive.

When DailyTech first visited the Fusion Hybrid, Ford boldly predicted that the vehicle would top the Toyota Camry Hybrid in the city by 5 MPG. A month later, we reported that auto journalists were able to extract 43 MPG from the Fusion Hybrid in city testing while a Ford engineer managed an even more impressive 46 MPG.

For once, it appears that an auto manufacturer is actually living up to the hype. The EPA has officially released mileage figures for the Fusion Hybrid and the vehicle does better than even Ford's initial projections of 38 MPG. In fact, the vehicle is rated at 41 MPG in the city and 36 MPG on the highway -- 8 MPG and 2 MPG better respectively than the Camry Hybrid.

The Fusion Hybrid is able to achieve high ratings in the city thanks to its fuel efficient 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine, CVT transmission, second generation hybrid system, and a lighter and more powerful battery pack.

"It's not just one thing, but thousands... We've optimized the heck out of that vehicle, it's individual components," said Fusion Hybrid program leader Praveen Cherian.

Ford's Fusion Hybrid can travel up to 47 MPH on battery power alone and will start at $27,270.



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RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 12:39:25 PM , Rating: 1
there are overheads but the cost of fuel to produce diesel is actually less than that of petrol. total cost lies in the hands of the government in reality. as for emissions and noise, a typical american misconception is that diesel based vehicles are noisier and dirtier than petrol units. yes, if you live in 1985. i live in 2008, and diesel is now incredibly quiet and sophisticated, particulate filtering and increased injection cycles etc all contribute. the problem is americans dont see this and have zero experience with the technology, thus ignorant comments abound.

im not saying diesel should replace petrol, it should be offered as an alternative, just as it is in europe and let the consumer see the decades of refinement european popularity has afforded diesel


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By SandmanWN on 12/23/2008 1:10:53 PM , Rating: 5
Sorry but they are noisy and they do smell. They do make diesels here, although not as many, but the comparison is the same no matter what insult you use.

The price is more expensive and will only get worse if you start playing with the supply/demand curve. Maybe one day in the distant future the minuscule price difference in manufacturing might be seen at the pump by the consumer but by that time oil based fuel would be a relic of the past.

Lastly, why are Europeans so preoccupied about the US fuel system? Our prices are cheaper than yours for both gas and diesel and the taxes imposed on top of that by both the State and Federal level. You are hardly the folks to give us lessons on what fuel to use and a cost breakdown.

Say what you will but its not an alternative.

The best course of action for the US is to keep the supply/demand curve the same and enjoy the low prices we currently have until a TRUE ALTERNATIVE can be found. We can then invest wisely in a new fuel system instead of pissing away cash on diesel changeover.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Jimbo1234 on 12/23/2008 1:25:32 PM , Rating: 1
What was the quietest LMP1 car? The one you did not hear coming until it passed you? That's right, the Audi R10 TDI. Diesels are not noisy.


By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 1:38:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What was the quietest LMP1 car? The one you did not hear coming until it passed you? That's right, the Audi R10 TDI. Diesels are not noisy.


very true. the same was said of concorde, as a solely political move to prevent this non american technological masterpiece from operating in the country. when concorde was eventually tested, the FACTS showed that the bluster was nothing more than hyperbole levied by beaurocrats.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By SandmanWN on 12/23/2008 1:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
all that blah blah and who made the number one car in Europe last year? A GM brand!

Who was it last year? Ford!

Yep diesels can be clean if you dump a load of filters on them and add to the maintenance. And yes they can be powerful if you drop 1-2 turbos in them and again add to the maintenance debacle.

But what do I know, I can only point to real world examples. You can only scream idiot and a bunch of other crap.

European car industry isn't much better off. All those British icons went bankrupt a decade ago and sold off. Bought up mostly by US manufacturers weren't they? The rest are currently being purchased from car manufacturers in India. All those supposedly ahead of the curve European car companies are what has been the largest drag on Ford for a number of years. Funny the US manufacturers are trying to pawn off all those European, ahead of the curve, icons you speak of.

Top cars in Europe = US and Japanese with a smattering of German. lol


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 9:20:58 PM , Rating: 2
diesels can be clean, and they are clean, and the maintenace 'debacle' you speak of is non existant. you point to real world examples? what like diesel engines that go 12000 miles on an oil change service and nothing else inbetween as i highlighted elsewhere? ahh. you mean you use false opinions formed by long term exposure to anti diesel propaganda. not hands on experience. the european car industry on a whole is in relatively decent condition. since when was any heavy industry right now in a rock solid position? i admit that, but for the most part its far less precarious than american brands.

i dont quite see the relevance to this topic about british car industries. but as you commented.......many are/were owned by american manufacturers and now are being sold off, but several that have been touted around are often the only profitable brands of the entire american parent company. land rover, aston martin, even longtime deadweight jaguar began to turn a profit before they were sold off as desperate measures to stay afloat. after all, these brands are pretty much the only saleable assets ford had! so meh :-)


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By hashish2020 on 12/24/2008 11:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
You are wrong. Aston Martin and Jaguar were STILL bleeding money when they were sold...they cost Ford money EVERY YEAR they were under them, and Land Rover WAS making money...until the oil price jump

The only reason the European car industry is doing OK is because the governments of Europe have supported them. Fiat for one, hell, isn't VW owned partially by some German provincial government? And it's subsidiaries (like SEAT) get constant government handouts...

How about Fiat? That company has been bleeding money for god knows how long...hell, GM lost 2 billion dollars getting out of being forced to buy it.

Let's not even get into Saab.


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:20:04 PM , Rating: 2
ford's deadweight is the american market

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/04/ford_posts_...

landrover, aston martin profitable for several years:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringSummary/idUK...

http://justbritish.com/2008/02/23/bez-bringing-ast...

finally jaguar were turning things around - tata expect jaguar to become consistantly profitable very soon. their sales, revenue was way up. so no. you are wrong. ford sold these brands as saleable assets. land rover in particular had been strong for a long time now. keep up old chap!

it is true that european car industry isnt in perfect health, i never said it was! i merely said its not in the same kind of ruin american industry is, and clearly the british brands that were highlighted were sold off as viable businesses, because ford were horribly desperate


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 2:03:48 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
american car industry has always been waaaaaay behind the curve for engine technology, and now its falling apart because it chose to be ignorant to any alternative for years. what goes around comes around.
An insult countered with an insult. That's the BEST way to get people to see your point!! The American auto industry has been falling apart for the last two decades, and would've ended up in their current situation regardless of fuel prices and engine choices. Given their management and labor issues, where they are today is no surprise to anyone in the US.

Facts:
1. US emissions are stricter than European one's so no diesel proliferation. American diesel fuel until just recently was a different formulation than the Europe. This hampered diesels being able to pass emissions standards.

2. The last time there were diesels in America, they WERE smelled and were noisy. Most diesels that Americans are familiar with are trucks and they were until a couple of years ago, smelly and noisy.

3. Diesel fuel and cars are more expensive than their gas counterparts. As evidenced with US gas prices a few months ago, Americans do NOT want to pay European gas prices.

4. Import automakers are fully aware of the above three and CHOOSE not to market or sell many diesels in the US. If hardly anyone is willing to buy them, it would be stupid to try and sell them. Even with the big push from enthusiasts and auto journalists to bring more diesels here, there's only trickle of cars coming to the US.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Lord 666 on 12/23/2008 2:39:39 PM , Rating: 3
So I guess thats why Honda is bringing the TSX and Accord diesel to US?

Guess enthusiasts and auto journalists don't know what they are talking about. Ayn Rand wrote the book "Anthem," in it was one of the topics that if everyone didn't know something, then no one could know it. Why is America like that. There will always be a more intelligent MINORITY than majority. I'm American that is frustrated by dumbing down of society.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 2:50:45 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
So I guess thats why Honda is bringing the TSX and Accord diesel to US?
Both cars are delayed indefinitely. Apparently, the auto tranny TSX did not pass emissions standards.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Lord 666 on 12/23/2008 4:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
Source please...


By Spuke on 12/23/2008 5:21:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently the emissions failure was incorrect but anywho:
http://tinyurl.com/77awau
http://tinyurl.com/9shmb9


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 5:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
it is true that the united states produces 22 percent of the worlds CO2 emissions for about 4 percent of its total population. european union produces 15 percent for about 7 percent of the worlds population. thats what your stringent emissions have contributed to the world.

the strongest opposition to diesel technology in america is probably from the least educated, or from those with most to lose. as i said, its not about replacing existing infrastructure right now, its about supplementing it surely.

this is what hybrids are trying to do, and failing, mainly because they simply arent efficient to build in comparison to the small gain in economy they might supply. its a sadly misguided action from well meaning intentions, but the prius for example has its toxic materials shipped and processed all around the world. then built in the east and shipped to the west. how on earth is that overall more economical to this planet than a locally built vehicle sourced from national resources?? sadly the people who buy them seem to think they are saving the planet!!

as for the person mentioning the extra maintenance for diesel powered vehicles, did you miss the comment i had posted about the new gen PSA group/ford diesel that gives service intervals of 12000 miles? it does nothing but help to focus exactly how out of touch some americans are with modern european diesel technology. diesel is nothing like the way YOU think it is- or more importantly nothing like it WAS. noisy? no. smelly? no. short service intervals? what else you gonna come up with? stop living in the past


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 5:30:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
thats what your stringent emissions have contributed to the world.
Sources please!!! Also, we're talking about vehicle emissions not total emissions here. Stick to the topic.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 5:46:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sources please!!! Also, we're talking about vehicle emissions not total emissions here. Stick to the topic.


well the source is CDIAC for the U.N. i admit it isnt narrowly relevant to vehicle emissions, but then it still illustrates on the whole that the regulations must be flawed somewhere, or that overall america couldnt actually care less about total emissions and therefore arguing about diesel emissions is somewhat amusing when there is bigger fish to fry clearly!

the prius fad is just another point. it probably doesnt use more energy in its life from build to scrap than a hummer from recent studies, but it still isnt anything like the big gain you would expect. you may as well build a small efficient petrol or diesel. the actual environmental impact of something like a prius is still far more than it should be to make it truly guilt free motoring.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 7:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
illustrates on the whole that the regulations must be flawed somewhere, or that overall america couldnt actually care less about total emissions and therefore arguing about diesel emissions is somewhat amusing when there is bigger fish to fry clearly!
So where's the proof that our supposed disparity in CO2 emissions is because we simply don't care? BTW, I find arguing amusing.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 8:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So where's the proof that our supposed disparity in CO2 emissions is because we simply don't care? BTW, I find arguing amusing.


wheres the proof that it isnt? you tell me. the united states is a developed country with a terrible history of complete disregard for controlling CO2 emissions namely the kyoto protocol. i scratch my chin when american citizens apoparently living in a democracy here claim to voice concerns over diesel vehicle emissions, all the while the protocol remains unratified and the overall contribution to world pollution is off the scale per head especially for the 'first world'.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By hashish2020 on 12/24/2008 11:29:54 PM , Rating: 1
Are you honestly going to spit that crap out.

America didn't SIGN the Kyoto Treaty...but EVERY country who signed it came NOWHERE CLOSE to the goals outlined in it so who gives a fuck

Let's use some basic scientific observation

Two VERY similar countries, the US and Canada

Now, the US never ratified, Canada did

From 1990-2004, Canada's CO2 emissions rose 27%
America's? Only 16%

Not to mention, population growth in the US is FAR HIGHER than European countries or Canada, both from immigration and natural growth


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:26:19 PM , Rating: 2
america signed, but didnt ratify. i cant be bothered commenting on other points in your topic, if you cant get that right. :-/


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Alexvrb on 12/23/2008 10:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
With regard to maintenence costs, these modern diesels can be expensive. Long service intervals mean little if the service required is very costly. I don't know if the emissions systems required to make some of these diesels legal here would require extra maintenence. However I can tell you that these new diesels require costly 5w40 fully synthetic diesel-formulated oil, and they typically have larger sumps than a comparable gas engine. The filters are also more expensive, sometimes MUCH more expensive.


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
so you run an american diesel vehicle?

typical service costs here (uk) of a diesel vehicle versus a petrol vehicle is roughly the same. insignificant differences. and i deal with maybe 20 service bills a week in the garage i work. happy?

you could factor all sorts in too which isnt mentioned here, like how diesel vehicles usually cost more to buy (fair point), but typically depreciate less. depreciation is the largest cost of running a vehicle, if you wasnt aware


By dubyadubya on 12/23/2008 10:55:10 PM , Rating: 1
Yup Yup Yup. But you can only get so many gallons of diesel fuel out or a barrel of crude. I can't remember the exact amount per barrel but it is much less than the amount of gasoline. So what are we supposed to do, buy more crude oil so we can increase production of diesel fuel then resell the gasoline to make up the difference? makes no sense the me.

By the time you factor in the added expense for the diesel powertrain, the premium price you have to pay for diesel fuel its just not worth it unless you need a truck. Diesels in cold climates need different fuel blends or at least additives. In general diesel engines have way more starting problems in cold climates than gasoline engines do. Sure you can plug them in but its just one more thing to deal with.

One last thing unrelated to your comment but related to others.
Many are bashing the Big Three for no fucking reason!!!
The trouble is Dumb Ass Americans that wanted to drive a 1 ton truck to work and back. What were the big Three to do, you guessed it build big ass vehicles. You must build products the public will buy! Many people say they should of thought ahead. Look it takes close to 2 years to change production over from 1 ton trucks to scooters. How the hell could the big Three know when to switch, a fucking crystal ball? Plus you can't pre engineer vehicles for production for when your crystal ball tells switch over.

The Big Three got hosed from all sides. The UAW is sucking them dry. The US government has done nothing to help create a level playing field. The economy is in the dumps and the dumb ass public that wanted a 1 ton trucks now wants a high MPG vehicle but has no money to buy one. Go figure


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By hashish2020 on 12/24/2008 11:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
CO2 is not the only emission. The reason diesels were regulated more stringently was NOX and particulate emissions. Look it up


By vulcanproject on 1/2/2009 5:38:22 PM , Rating: 2
DPF....been fitted to european diesel vehicles since 1996. NOx traps, a state of the art technology european diesel manufacturers are adopting. look it up. LOL :-)


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By The0ne on 12/23/2008 7:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with your points. Those nowadays (youngsters mainly) that claim diesel to be foul smelling and noisy are really referring the the 70's, 80's. These from trucks, as you've mentioned and also from buses :)

There was a time when diesel wasn't that expensive compared to your premium 92 gasoline price. A 0.20 to 0.30 cents difference from 89.

And I guess some readers missed your comment
quote:
...there's only trickle of cars coming to the US


Meaning there are/might be a few diesel vehicles.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Spuke on 12/23/2008 7:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There was a time when diesel wasn't that expensive compared to your premium 92 gasoline price.
Currently, the price difference isn't that great. it's about a 30 cent difference where I live.

quote:
Meaning there are/might be a few diesel vehicles.
The Jetta is the cheapest although I just read that there will be a Rabbit TDI (aka Golf...why they changed the name again I have NO idea).


By The0ne on 12/26/2008 11:00:02 AM , Rating: 2
The market for Rabbit were mainly by girls, especially the convertible ones. From history itself I would think they're banking on it again :) much like the beetle did to older generations :D


By vulcanproject on 12/23/2008 7:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
i am a mechanic. seeing the evolution of small diesel engines from the smoking, terrible starting, clattering commercial derivatives that hit the market in the 1970's to working on state of the art german/french/japanese/european units today has been an eyeopening experience.

my old man was incredulous when he first visited america in the navy, driving a diesel landie belonging to the ark royal 4 onto american soil and upon visiting the nearest off base filling station, proceeding to pump diesel oblivious to the stir in the kiosk. the attendant flew out, waving his arms maniacally. thinking the old man was pumping diesel into a petrol powered vehicle! lol. he was amazed to see such a small vehicle with diesel power, it just didnt exist in north america.

the landies were aliens, and this was decades ago. since then diesel power has become insanely sophisticated but just as alien to north america. im not suggesting americans should immediately switch to diesel, im just saying many need to see exactly what a truly modern diesel vehicle CAN be like. because like that attendant, i bet they would be absolutely knocked sideways, but by the refinement achieved, in contrast to all the things they have ever heard about the characteristics 20 years ago.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Lord 666 on 12/23/2008 2:16:24 PM , Rating: 2
What modern diesels have you smelled recently? Not long ago, I rammed my entire face/nose into the tail pipe of a ML320 CDI Blu and could not smell anything.

Even my own 2006 Jetta TDI only lets off a very faint smell, but it doesn't smell like diesel. More like dirty socks, but its very faint and with my nose right in the tail pipe.


RE: modern Diesels are even more impressive IMO
By Black69ta on 12/23/2008 4:15:33 PM , Rating: 3
So you smell the tailpipes of cars, by sticking your nose in it?
See some of us can learn from our canine friends.


By Lord 666 on 12/23/2008 5:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
Some smart-ass uninformed family member read an article about how diesels from the 90's were linked to children's asthma and questioned our decision to drive our 2006 TDI.

Challenged the idiot to breathe the tail-pipe of my car while running as proof the literature read is outdated. Stepped it up a notch and included the MB while running to compare against mine. Since then, converted two other people to the diesel side with another shopping. Would I do this with a 1983 MB diesel... Hell no!

Speaking of canine's, my brother and I taste tested our dog's food several times including doggie treats. My kid got a kick out of it after seeing me bitting an end off a dog bone and then handing it to our dog as a reward for going nuts when a stranger came to the door.


By otispunkmeyer on 12/23/2008 4:36:48 PM , Rating: 2
absolutely true....we even have diesel hot hatches over here. VW, Renault, even Skoda have hot diesel versions of their cars. the golf and megane are both looking at 170-180bhp and a mountain of torque that, thanks to variable vane turbos, is available across a good chunk of the rev range... none of that all the power coming in at once malarky.

my dads car is a lexus IS220D.... from the outside the engine is not loud, sure its not petrol quiet, but its not a clattery tractor engine either, its got a muted strum to it.

inside, well.... if you had no idea about the engine you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a petrol. honestly its that quiet and on the motorway even the well controlled tyre roar and slight wind noise are louder than the engine.

rumour has it that honda, with the new civic (which for the first time has a diesel engine honda designed and built themselves) the 2.2CDTi under the "hood" has actually been reigned in because it was quite concievable that the car would be even more potent than the Type R version.


By rudy on 12/28/2008 1:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
The US does have diesel cars anyone can buy one if they choose and some do, I recently had the choice and opted not to the main concern was that everything was more expensive on them. More expensive to buy, more expensive to fix, and depending on the price of fuel more expensive to run. They say the engines last longer but when the price is that much more to fix it does not matter. And companies like Mercedes only offer the same lame warranty on their diesel engines meaning that what every they say about them lasting longer they are not willing to back up. And that tells you everything you need to know about how long they last. So basically what you wish is true in the US we have diesel cars and gas stations people do have a choice they choose not to use it.

Diesel is like Apple computers everything about it is more expensive but they have their fanatics that are dead set on imposing their ideals on everyone else.


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