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Document shows that Microsoft knew about the disc scratching potential of the Xbox 360

Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are in a constant battle for supremacy in the video game console market. While the Wii routinely leads the sales charts, Sony and Microsoft trade off second place with regularity.

One of the biggest complaints about the Xbox 360 is that it can scratch game discs making them unplayable. Several suits have been filed against Microsoft over the allegedly defective design of the Xbox 360. One of the suits is seeking class action status and a document unsealed in connection with the suit sheds light on the disc scratching problem.

According to the document, Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 knowing that it could scratch discs if the console was moved from vertical to horizontal while a game was spinning inside. reports that most of the declarations in the suit are sealed, but a recently unsealed motion in the case quotes Microsoft employees talking about disc scratching.

One of the employees quoted is Hiroo Umeno, a program manager for Microsoft, who said, "This is ... information that we as a team, optical disc drive team, knew about. When we first discovered the problem in September or October (2005), when we got a first report of disc movement, we knew this is what's causing the problem."

Microsoft engineers determined after the console launched and complaints of scratched discs began to come in, that the cause of the scratches was due to moving the console with a game still inside. Three solutions were considered to remedy the possibility of disc scratching and all were rejected.

One proposed solution was a stronger magnetic field for the disc holder. That was rejected out of fear that it would affect opening and closing of the drive tray. A second option was slowing the speed the drive spins, which was rejected due to longer load times. The final option was adding small bumpers to the disc tray. This was rejected because it would have cost up to $75 million to make the change.

Disc scratching isn’t the only major problem with the Xbox 360 that Microsoft allegedly knew of before launch. Microsoft allegedly knew about the issue that causes the red ring of death failure on some consoles.

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Nothing to do with this but it is to do with MS...
By Aloonatic on 12/16/2008 3:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
... so I thought I'd post it here to see what anyone thinks seeing as hasn't been reported on DT so far today.

In short, there is a security flaw in ie7 that is so bad that even MS themselves are urging people to use other browsers.

It's even been on the radio over here, which is pretty unusual too.

I thought you guys might be interested.

By Gzus666 on 12/16/2008 4:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
They won't report on that, it goes against their next coming of Jesus, which is anything MS Windows related.

RE: Nothing to do with this but it is to do with MS...
By walk2k on 12/16/2008 7:39:12 PM , Rating: 1
I guess you missed this

You were saying?

By drzoo2 on 12/16/2008 8:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
In order to make the list, programs hand to run in Windows and not be centrally updatable via services such as Microsoft SMS and WSUS.
So that excludes all MS products. No flaws there. Seriously, you think it's safer to run IE and not FF. Good luck to you.


By Aloonatic on 12/17/2008 4:05:43 AM , Rating: 2
What has that got to do with what I posted?

Are you implying that I said that other browsers were perfect? If so, please quote where I said that? I'm a little puzzled to be honest.

To make it clear, I was saying...

It seems like a pretty big story to me, but maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps you have someone from Microsoft on US national radio telling people to be aware that there is a serious flaw in their browser and that you would be better of using a competitor until a patch was released, every other week? I can't remember it happening over here before however.

I must admit, I kinda heard the story in the background as I was busy at the time but I think he said that there was no major reason to panic, only 0.2% of systems running ie7 (and earlier versions of ie are vulnerable too) have been compromised. Whilst that is a very small percentage, seeing as pretty well all Windows systems some version ie it is probably a very high number of machines that have been infected/compromised.

Of course, no browsers are perfect and 100% safe, that would be a ridiculous thing to say, just as no games console is perfect, they all have their flaws. I was simply trying to point out a apparently important security fault that had been found.

I apologise for pointing out a fault with your precious ie7. I hope they get it fixed soon, for your sake.

Bonne chance!

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