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A glacial region in Norway  (Source: NRK)
Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors results in Alaska, elsewhere.

After years of decline, glaciers in Norway are again growing, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE). The actual magnitude of the growth, which appears to have begun over the last two years, has not yet been quantified, says NVE Senior Engineer Hallgeir Elvehøy.

The flow rate of many glaciers has also declined. Glacier flow ultimately acts to reduce accumulation, as the ice moves to lower, warmer elevations.

The original trend had been fairly rapid decline since the year 2000.  

The developments were originally reported by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK).

DailyTech has previously reported on the growth in Alaskan glaciers, reversing a 250-year trend of loss. Some glaciers in Canada, California, and New Zealand are also growing, as the result of both colder temperatures and increased snowfall.

Ed Josberger, a glaciologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, says the growth is "a bit of an anomaly", but not to be unexpected.

Despite the recent growth, most glaciers in the nation are still smaller than they were in 1982. However, Elvehøy says that the glaciers were even smaller during the 'Medieval Warm Period' of the Viking Era, prior to around the year 1350.

Not all Norwegian glaciers appear to be affected, most notably those in the Jotenheimen region of Southern Norway.



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Corporate propaganda
By NubWobble on 11/28/2008 12:11:21 AM , Rating: -1
The only people who do not accept are the corporate brainwashed from the US, everyone else accepts it as fact. The reasons why the glaciers are growing is because excessive pollution is preventing radiation from reaching the surface of the earth but it is causing serious problems higher in the atmosphere. The Monsoon season in east Asia is getting shorter every year and less rain falls on the earth on average than decades ago.

But keep telling yourselves that global warming is a hoax and that we need the world to consist of 90% carbon dioxide for us to survive. If you really think we need to emit more CO2 then why don't you shove your head in a chimney and find out what it's like to live in a CO2 'rich' atmosphere. People are blind of the future and only think of the now. Do you ever think whether we can eat money when this planet has turned into a desert and is dead?

The oil and car industry of the US are far more credible sources of scientific news, especially news that in the short term helps their profit margins, than scientists from all over the globe calling for controls on emissions. This is the true face of Mussolini's fascism, he would have been proud of the US had he been alive.




RE: Corporate propaganda
By rakishone on 11/28/2008 12:16:52 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
less rain falls on the earth on average than decades ago.
Congrats on getting the science 100% wrong. More rainfall falls on the earth now than decades ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/sc...


RE: Corporate propaganda
By SeeManRun on 11/28/2008 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 1
The problem is not the amount of rainfall, but where the rain falls and how often. Everything loves consistency, and global warming is making it harder to predict the weather, or grow crops in places that were barely managing before. Imagine driving to work everyday, but the roads all change themselves and you have to find a new route every day.. Not very efficient.
Now imagine trying to grow crops and your rain either comes 2 weeks too early, or 2 weeks too late, or not enough, or too much... I think you get the idea (I hope)


RE: Corporate propaganda
By wookie1 on 11/29/2008 1:50:48 AM , Rating: 2
News flash, not only do plants thrive with more CO2, but also a bit of warming would increase growing seasons for much of the land where farming is done. We should be more concerned about cooling and lower crop yields, crop failures, etc.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By foolsgambit11 on 11/29/2008 8:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
News flash, plants also need water. Frequently, water within certain times of the year to germinate and grow before the end of their growing season (either too hot or too cold, or too wet or too dry, depending on the crop and location). I'm sure that's what the OP was referring to.

He was also making an argument that recently, the climate has been less predictable than it used to be. Whether you believe that or not is up to your judgment. But instead of blurting out the talking points given to you by the anti-global warming newsletter ("plants love CO2!"), you should learn to apply them appropriately as counter-arguments to global warming supporters arguments. For instance, you should have argued something about the lack of consistent, accurate data with which to establish trends over long enough periods of time, or the problem being with the climatologists models, and not with the consistency of the weather. After all, humans have never been good at predicting the weather more than a few days out. Ever. Not only that, but global rain patterns frequently change. The Sahara Desert got more rain 5000 years ago than it does today - it was something like the Northern Mediterranean climate is today.

This isn't to say that dramatic cooling wouldn't be dangerous to global food production, as you argued. But, since the anti-global warming argument is that this is a natural cycle of cooling, and it will keep getting cooler, then there's nothing we can do. And since we can't do anything about it, it's not really worth being concerned about. We just have to accept that we won't be able to produce enough food for 6 billion people, billions will starve, and global anarchy will reign. But there's nothing that can be done, really - I mean, are you willing to change your lifestyle because the human race is in danger? I'm not. Are you willing to spend the money it would take to develop hearty, cold-resistant crop varieties? Not my tax dollars!

Sorry, I think I'm being more confrontational than I really feel on this issue. Fact is, I don't know what's going on with the climate - but I've got a boat in case it's a Waterworld-style scenario.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By sigilscience on 11/30/2008 5:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
since we can't do anything about it, it's not really worth being concerned about. We just have to accept that we won't be able to produce enough food for 6 billion people, billions will starve, and global anarchy will reign
What? There's PLENTY of things we can do to adapt to colder weather.

The problem is that anytime the subject of adaption to climate change comes up, the Alarmists freak out and shut down the debate. If we can adapt to colder weather, we can adapt to warmer even easier. And that would kill their entire anti-industrialization argument.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By Ringold on 11/30/2008 5:52:07 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
But there's nothing that can be done, really - I mean, are you willing to change your lifestyle because the human race is in danger?


The real question is "Will European's drop their zealotry with regards to GM crops?" or "Will trade protectionism in agricultural trade continue to distort global food markets, and will the EU and US be willing to drop trade barriers?"

Those are the two primary issues that hold back further increases in global food production, distribution, etc.

quote:
Are you willing to spend the money it would take to develop hearty, cold-resistant crop varieties? Not my tax dollars!


Of course not. Because several household name ag companies do it for us all for free, and have been doing so for years! Monsanto comes to mind first, but there are many smaller firms. Capitalism. Google it.

quote:
Sorry, I think I'm being more confrontational than I really feel on this issue.


No, alarmist. On top of everything else, Brazil has huge areas of land that can be made arable. American farmers in some cases have been thriving in Brazil. The only thing that can cause starvation is government.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By Ringold on 11/29/2008 5:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
This same guy tried talking economics elsewhere recently, and asides from repeating Marxist theory in general he was spouting data that was perhaps half correct 6 - 12 months ago. He doesn't care about silly things like accuracy, data never sways the radicals, he cares only about his agenda, which explains why he doesn't bother to keep up on data. It simply doesn't matter to him.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By masher2 (blog) on 11/28/2008 12:32:42 AM , Rating: 5
> "...and that we need the world to consist of 90% carbon dioxide"

The atmosphere is currently 0.038% CO2. I don't think we need to worry about "90% carbon dioxide" levels for the next few million years.

> "If you really think we need to emit more CO2 then why don't you shove your head in a chimney"

Chimneys tend to be full of particulates, sulfur compounds, and many other actual pollutants. A more apt comparison would be a commercial greenhouse, most of which are artificially raised to CO2 levels 3-4 times higher than the atmosphere. It helps the plants grow...and, of course, humans working inside suffer no ill effects.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By SeeManRun on 11/28/2008 10:00:06 AM , Rating: 1
Workers don't live in greenhouses along with the rest of the earth (well, not yet anyway). Since we breath carbon dioxide it doesn't hurt us unless there is no oxygen. But not hurting us is not quite the same thing as not hurting the globe on a long term basis.

Remember acid rain was all the rage back in the day. Plants spewing out chemicals that caused corrosive rain. I think the plant owners at the time said there was no evidence of anything damaging and more research was required, but the government went ahead anyway and put a stop to that kind of pollution. I think that was a good decision.
You can't listen to people that are biased, because they are incapable of seeing the facts without their personal views affecting their interpretation.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By phxfreddy on 11/28/2008 10:40:33 AM , Rating: 2
...and who would magically be unbiased? The left? Give me a break. As Rush Limbaugh says "if you are human you are biased"...... ( I love using Limbaugh's name because you can get a libtard to deny gravity if you say Limbaugh supports the concept of gravity )

It is only the left that sets themselves up as demigods given to an incredible lightness of being unbiased.

Its time for me to break into song. ( to the Monkey's Tune "I am a believer" )

THEN I SAW THERE FACTS
NOW I'M A denier
NOT A TRACE
OF Dung IN MY MIND
I'M IN Clear
I'M A denier
I COULDN'T buy'er
IF I TRIED


RE: Corporate propaganda
By weather weenie on 11/28/2008 8:07:52 AM , Rating: 3
A better experiment with a CO2-enriched atmosphere would be to stick your head into a greenhouse where CO2, the gas of life, is artificially maintained at 1000 ppm+

"Those who love the biosphere will do anything to save it except takes a science course"--P. J. Rourke


RE: Corporate propaganda
By phxfreddy on 11/28/2008 10:46:09 AM , Rating: 1
Quite on the contrary to what this noxious communist said. Anyone who travels outside the USA quickly discovers it is only the white cultures that are obsessed with "gaia" dieties that are OCD about global warming. Here is the list of countries:

-1- USA - biggest ethnic group? = german
-2- germany - duh
-3- England - well duh they are germanic in alot of senses of the word also.

And what of Spain / Italy and Eastern Europe? mmm...Strange you don't hear much of them on this subject. Brazil? You have to be kidding. They have had so much pucky from their government they have PhD's in spotting B.S. Mexico? China? Russia? Not a peep.

You have to accept it. If you obsess about global warming you are a neurotic white person. There is a cure. Do what I did early in life. Smoke some good maui wowey. Use your own mind. See the objective truth in front of your face. Release your need for anxiety. Live a better life.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By Fnoob on 11/28/2008 1:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
"... good maui wowey."

Amen! Is there such a thing as bad maui wowey? Could you please send me some seeds for my greenhouse? I promise to use them to cut down CO2!


RE: Corporate propaganda
By kontorotsui on 11/29/2008 10:55:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Quite on the contrary to what this noxious communist said. Anyone who travels outside the USA quickly discovers it is only the white cultures that are obsessed with "gaia" dieties that are OCD about global warming. Here is the list of countries: -1- USA - biggest ethnic group? = german -2- germany - duh -3- England - well duh they are germanic in alot of senses of the word also. And what of Spain / Italy and Eastern Europe? mmm...Strange you don't hear much of them on this subject. Brazil? You have to be kidding. They have had so much pucky from their government they have PhD's in spotting B.S. Mexico? China? Russia? Not a peep. You have to accept it. If you obsess about global warming you are a neurotic white person. There is a cure. Do what I did early in life. Smoke some good maui wowey. Use your own mind. See the objective truth in front of your face. Release your need for anxiety. Live a better life.


Excuse me? So in Spain/Italy, Eastern Europe and Russia there are no whites? Or they don't just have a white culture?
Ah, maybe they are white but not neuritc. Yes, duh.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By kontorotsui on 11/29/2008 10:48:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This is the true face of Mussolini's fascism, he would have been proud of the US had he been alive.


Indeed Mussolini was well known for being a supporter of the US oil and car industry.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By matorsfan on 11/30/2008 10:18:02 PM , Rating: 2
He was well known for being a fan of big, controlling governments. You know, the kind that can force people to make the lifestyle changes to fight climate change.

Do I need go get my big crayon and connect more dots for you?


RE: Corporate propaganda
By Dreifort on 12/1/2008 10:21:24 AM , Rating: 1
Nub,

This? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets too cold. This? This is NubWobble. This is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated.


RE: Corporate propaganda
By Dreifort on 12/1/2008 10:44:04 AM , Rating: 2
wha?!

I quote one of the greatest movies ever and my rating gets dinged! ha!


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