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By ayat101 on 11/25/2008 7:56:26 AM , Rating: 1
Goebels: "Repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes accepted as the truth".

So let's do away with the propaganda of a peaceful China throughout history:

*Colonisation of Taiwan and displacement of the aboriginal population.

*Invasion of Tibet, genocide, and cultural genocide. Widescale population replacement with the majority Han Chinese.

*Conquest and colonisation of Inner Mongolia, cultural genocide and population displacement (two tactics favoured by the Chinese).

*Colonisation and population and cultural displacement in Xingjiang (East Turkestan).

*Displacement and genocide of the Hmong (this is a little older one).

*Displacement of the Southern Tai peoples (ancestors of Thais and Lao among some).

*Repeated attempted conquests of Vietnam throughout its history.

*Attempted conquest of Japan, Korea, wars with India, etc.

*all the smaller aboriginal groups and kingdoms conquered and their peoples absorbed or killed off throughout China's history.


By Subzero0000 on 11/25/2008 9:59:53 PM , Rating: 2
Those are good points indeed. I'll have to spend some time to study more details about those events.

I'm only referring "peaceful" in terms of comparing other countries.
Simply look at the recent war in Afghanistan. US has messed up the place totally.

Compare to what you pointed out :

- Taiwan is still Taiwan (there wasn't any war anyway). China and Taiwan has been doing a lot of business discussion these days. The desire to take Taiwan may still be there, but it's no longer a priority.

- Tibet is actually a better place with China than being ruled by buddhist (think about Dark Ages).

- Vietnam? I thought it's in war with US forever.

- Japan is the major player in World War II. THEY attempted to conquest the world. You want to talk about victims?

- Korea is still Korea. Actually, US is the one acting real tough on North Korea.

- India is still India.

"Attempt" is not the point.

My point is, US has been doing a lot of works to make China looks like a Evil empire.

Every year US spends billions and billions on weapon R&D. But when others make some weapons, US starts complaining.
US even justify the decision to build "missile defence" in Europe to "defence" against Russia. Now who is picking the fight here?
Imagine if someone else talks about placing "missile defence" right next to America. I'm sure US will go haywire.

No one in the world is more "attempting" than US.


By ayat101 on 11/26/2008 12:20:52 AM , Rating: 1
1. I mean the colonisation of Taiwan a few hundred years back. Yes, Taiwan is Taiwan, but now it has majority Chinese living there (even if they do not recognise the mainland government).

2. Tibet is not a better place with the Chinese. It is SILLY to compare a medieval Tibet to modern China. Modern China itself is better off than medieval China, but that still does not excuse the bad things they do, or remove the fact that they could be better still as compared to other countries. For a meaningful comparison you have to think of how a modern Tibet may have been without China.

3. Vietnam fought many foes in its history and won it all :) It's not just the US that tried to invade it.

4. The attempted invasion of Japan I am talking about happened hundreds of years in the past. Same for Korea.

ATTEMPT *IS* the point. An attempt is still an invasion and people die, and the invaded country has to defend itself. It's just that the invaders fail. By the same point WWII does not count because the Nazis only attempted to conquer the world but failed - CLEARLY a FALSE argument.

All I am saying is that China is hardly and angel and has a history of attacking and taking over other countries and groups when it feels powerful. So, we better all be careful. This is aside from how the US may or may not behave.


By Min Jia on 11/26/2008 7:54:07 AM , Rating: 2
It's the Mongols who invaded Korea and attempted to invade Japan in 1274, not the Chinese.

As for Vietnam, it had been a part of China since the Han Dynasty and was under Chinese rule for centuries afterwards.

Tibet, a part of China since Ming Dynasty, would be even poorer and worse off than it is now if the Chinese hadn't reclaimed it.

And speaking of colonisation, cultural genocide and population displacement, your ancestors did the same thing to the native Americans.


By Min Jia on 11/26/2008 9:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
Well, you can probably tell I'm a Chinese by name user name, so don't tell my Tibet is not part of my country.

Yes, it's the Mongols. The Mongols conquered China in 1271, and ruled us for 90 years. They They did not even speak our Han language. China (Yuan) at the time was just a small part of the huge Mongol Empire. That is why it's call the Mongol invasions of Japan, not Chinese.

Vietnam was under Chinese rule for a thousand years. A thousand years is not a while.


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