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GISS's October Data. The large reddish-brown area in Russia is actually September readings.
Amateur team finds NASA error similar to one they discovered a year ago.

NASA'S Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) is one of the world's primary sources for climate data. GISS issues regular updates on world temperatures based on their analysis of temperature readings from thousands of monitoring stations over the globe.

GISS’ most recent data release originally reported last October as being extraordinarily warm-- a full 0.78C above normal. This would have made it the warmest October on record; a huge increase over the previous month's data.

Those results set off alarm bells with Steve McIntyre and his gang of Baker Street irregulars at Climateaudit.org. They noted that NASA's data didn't agree at all with the satellite temperature record, which showed October to be very mild, continuing the same trend of slight cooling that has persisted since 1998. So they dug a little deeper.

McIntyre, the same man who found errors last year in GISS's US temperature record, quickly noted that most of the temperature increase was coming from Russia. A chart of world temperatures showed that in October, most of Russia, the largest nation on Earth, was not only registering hot, but literally off the scale. Yet anecdotal reports were suggesting that worldwide, October was actually slightly colder than normal. Could there be another error in GISS's data?

An alert reader on McIntyre's blog revealed that there was a very large problem. Looking at the actual readings from individual stations in Russia showed a curious anomaly. The locations had all been assigned the exact temperatures from a month earlier-- the much warmer month of September. Russia cools very rapidly in the fall months, so recycling the data from the earlier month had led to a massive temperature increase.

A few locations in Ireland were also found to be using September data.

Steve McIntyre informed GISS of the error by email. According to McIntyre, there was no response, but within "about an hour", GISS pulled down the erroneous data, citing a "mishap" and pointing the finger of blame upstream to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration (NOAA).

NOAA's Deputy Director of Communications, Scott Smullens, tells DailyTech that NOAA is responsible only for temperature readings in the US, not those in other nations.

The error not only affected October data, but due to the complex algorithm GISS uses to convert actual temperature readings into their output results, altered the previously published values for several other months as well. The values for August 2008, for instance, changed by 0.11C and the global anomaly as far back as 2005 increased by a hundredth of a degree.

GISS is run by Dr. James Hansen, a strident global warming advocate who has accused oil companies of "crimes against humanity".  Hansen recently made headlines when he travelled to London to testify on behalf of a group of environmentalists who had damaged a coal plant in protest against global warming. Hansen also serves as science advisor to Al Gore.

Dr. Hansen could not be reached for comment.



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RE: Libertarianism and Anti-Environmentalism
By Catalyst on 11/16/2008 2:35:06 AM , Rating: 2
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“Now suppose that, based on my model, I'm demanding that your new convention center be only 100,000 square feet, that it be completely underground, and that it be lighted only with bio-luminescent fungus because my model clearly shows that convention centers are destroying the Earth. Remember that my model, while accurately modeling earlier times, has been a miserable failure in predicting energy usage in the twenty years I've been using it.”


Mr. Possum

I don’t want to put to fine a point on it, but again I would say that there may be a problem in your perception of the about the state of the science. As I understand the current climate models(again limitedly), to imply that they are “miserable failures” would be a stretch. It’s not as if the majority of climate scientists from around the world input all the climate data and the computer model output the word “Cheese” as a result. The results from most of the models seem to generally track with one another and show an increase in global average temperatures, and also with some field observations hinting the same as well. Significant also is that those who are creating separate models from other data (like ice cores, tree rings, etc) are obtaining results that also seem to corroborate the general finding of increasing global temperatures. But I think the science debate is not really at issue here.

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“I think most reasonable people would say I'm not going to radically change my proposed convention center until your model can do a better job at predicting new buildings. In other words, I'm not convinced there IS a problem to fix vis-a-vis climate (although I agree that reductions in CO2 would be good for many things, from acid rain to ocean acidification, and that research in that direction should be solid.)”


This statement reflects the heart of what I am interested in. Built into the first part of the argument (and most like it) is the false assumption that the status quo unquestionably represents best practices, and paradoxically that the burden of proof of no harm falls upon those who want to avert pollution. If you are undertaking an action that you know is damaging (polluting), clearly the burden of proof falls on you to demonstrate that doing so would not have deleterious effects. If there is evidence that there is significant impact, the burden is again on you to remediate or eliminate that impact. This is the logical position, but not the one taken by most climate skeptics when arguing the conclusions they draw from the matter. It seems to indicate that the issue for them is ideological or dogmatic and not with the science portion of the equation. The tone also seems to indicate that even if the science were irrefutable, they would take issue with having to change their stance. This seeming inflexibility is what I find odd in the normally future forward tech community. I wonder does this come from the business side or are there specific influential leaders in the tech crowd that shape the community view?


RE: Libertarianism and Anti-Environmentalism
By werepossum on 11/16/2008 4:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
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by Catalyst on November 16, 2008 at 2:35 AM
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“I think most reasonable people would say I'm not going to radically change my proposed convention center until your model can do a better job at predicting new buildings. In other words, I'm not convinced there IS a problem to fix vis-a-vis climate (although I agree that reductions in CO2 would be good for many things, from acid rain to ocean acidification, and that research in that direction should be solid.)”

This statement reflects the heart of what I am interested in. Built into the first part of the argument (and most like it) is the false assumption that the status quo unquestionably represents best practices, and paradoxically that the burden of proof of no harm falls upon those who want to avert pollution. If you are undertaking an action that you know is damaging (polluting), clearly the burden of proof falls on you to demonstrate that doing so would not have deleterious effects. If there is evidence that there is significant impact, the burden is again on you to remediate or eliminate that impact. This is the logical position, but not the one taken by most climate skeptics when arguing the conclusions they draw from the matter. It seems to indicate that the issue for them is ideological or dogmatic and not with the science portion of the equation. The tone also seems to indicate that even if the science were irrefutable, they would take issue with having to change their stance. This seeming inflexibility is what I find odd in the normally future forward tech community. I wonder does this come from the business side or are there specific influential leaders in the tech crowd that shape the community view?

Speaking only for myself, my "seeming inflexibility" stems both from common sense and from good business practices. If you want me to add cost on myself or on my clients, I need a good reason why. (By that I mean cost beyond payback; I've no problem using more efficient lighting, etc. when it will pay back within a reasonable period.) So far, I've not found one to justify the drastic reduction in lifestyle that would be required by the CAGW crowd who, remember, admit that things like Kyoto won't actually help and are "only a first step", that massive further reductions are required. There is currently no technology available which would allow us (the USA) to enjoy anything like the current standard of living and meet the CO2 reductions they say are necessary. Certainly widespread nuclear power would go a long way, as would improved battery tech, but the energy differentials are too great at present to allow those kinds of reductions without devolving into a high-density society reliant on public transportation in the short term, and drastic population reduction in the long term. I support reductions on most sorts of pollutants, but I remain unconvinced that the CO2 scare is anything more than the usual suspects wanting more power. Remember than man-made CO2 from all human activity, throughout history, is between 1% and 4% of total atmospheric CO2, depending on whose numbers you use.

As to the science, I have a big problem with it, beginning with the previous "coming man-made ice age" scare I bought into in the late 70s. (Ain't it funny how the required solution to catastrophic anthropogenic global cooling - high-density housing, loss of private transportation, government-controlled command economy - is exactly the same as the required solution to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming? Funny how that works...) Mann et al's famous hockey stick model pretty much sealed it for me, requiring as it did a denial of all mankind's climate records. If the scientists pushing a certain viewpoint are blatantly dishonest, which has been the case time and again, and attempt to crush any dissenting views, then I demand an extraordinary level of proof that they are correct. That is, I demand demonstrable proof - not by marching in lockstep, but by demonstrated long-term predictive ability. Science must be, to use the new buzz phrase, falsifiable. As it stands, any contrary evidence is immediately attacked as being propaganda, and any short-term climate phenomena, including those indicating colder weather, are put forward as proof. Therein lies the problem. If you can't disprove something, neither can you prove it.


By Catalyst on 11/17/2008 5:08:53 PM , Rating: 2
I take your explanation of how you perceive the issues as the real crux of the matter for the skeptics crowd, and I’d like to just reiterate two observations of the average skeptic’s underlying argument that seem pertinent to your position.

1.The holding of the erroneous perception that burden of proof falls on the opposing side to show no harm

2.The inadvertent or unconscious blending of whether something CAN be done with whether it SHOULD be done, which then apparently colors their perception of the validity of the issue.

Again on the first, if you are conducting an activity that is known to cause harm, it is YOUR responsibility to remediate that issue, whether it adds cost or not. Because of the costs, linking the difficulty or burden of the solutions with whether or not action should be taken I think lies behind most of the business-centric skeptics of the science of climate change. If the cost of changing behavior were free, I think you would see most of the calls about the “questionable” nature of the science disappear. Gathering from these two these points, I think it would be more appropriate to call them “objectionists” rather than skeptics. The arguments they make would not lose their stridency even if the evidence were irrefutable, which is not a science based skeptical position.

To illustrate this point more clearly, think of the person who is uninsured who is told that they have an aggressive but treatable form of cancer, but that treatment will cost them 500,000 dollars. When told they will have to pay the full amount for treatment and having no ability to do so, they would reasonably object. “I don’t have that kind of money and it would be impossible for me to get it, so treatment is not feasible.” The objection is wholly merited based on the facts of their financial situation, being uninsured they truly don’t have the money to pay for treatment. This does not, however, negate the diagnosis that they have cancer. Regardless of their ability to pay, they will die if they go untreated, objections or no, merit to their economic position or no. “Reality” reality trumps economic reality. However, if the patient were then to go one step further and call the doctor a money grubbing liar, we would be at the point where it seems most discussions of the climate problems devolve to.

The blending of Tech philosophy, which I agree is founded in science and is forward thinking, and business philosophy, which is more self interested and nebulous, seems to be the cause of the contradictory stances on science held by those in the tech community. Objectionists really take issue more with the perceived IMPLICATIONS of the observation rather than with the observation itself. Their energy would be better spent by working toward finding a profitable solution (as many are now are) than with determining with 100% certainty (which is neither necessary, wise, or possible)the state of the science.

PS. I didn’t directly address your issue about the nature of the science in the second part because I feel others have and are more qualified than I to do so. I think most of the lower tier misunderstandings can be handled by sites like Science Blogs

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_...

Check that posting to see if your some of your issues can be resolved there.


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