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Microsoft is looking to follow up on Intel's iPhone dis with a few choice comments of its own

The iPhone is hard to escape.  Love it or hate it, the little device has invaded pop culture in a big way.  While most people might not know the ins and outs of the tech industry and its latest products, they know the iPhone -- it has reached household name status. 

At a recent developers forum, Intel employees publically insulted the iPhone, saying, "Any sort of application that requires any horse power at all and the iPhone struggles."

While Intel was quick to clarify that its comments were purely criticism of competitor ARM who makes the iPhone's CPU, the comments had already achieved a degree of notoriety.  Now Microsoft is fanning the iPhone flames of animosity with its own comments.

Robbie Bach, Microsoft's Chief Officer of the crucial $8B USD
Entertainment & Devices Division which includes the Xbox 360 business and the Windows Mobile phone business, was asked about his reaction to Apple's wildly successful quarter in which it saw the sale of 6.9 million iPhones.  These sales had surpassed analyst expectations by a couple million units, despite the fact that the analysts are typically very bullish when it comes to Apple sales.

Mr. Bach, without much prodding, proceeded to follow Intel's example and toss a bit more sand in Apple's eyes.  He said, "Apple had a big launch of a new product, and they launched at scale in a lot of new countries with a lot of new [wireless] operators. This quarter, RIM is having its big launch, and at some point we’ll have our big launch. We’ll have to see where things normalize," referring to the new RIM Blackberry Bold, set to launch November 4 (which does not feature a Windows OS).

He continued, "Does AT&T like having iPhone on its network? Sure. But they want to have balance in that ecosystem, where there’s three or four big partners. That’s why we’re so attractive to them—because we work with Samsung, Sony-Ericsson, LG, HTC, Motorola. Don’t get me wrong, the iPhone is a cool device. But it’s not about choice."

The comments by Bach are lighting up the blog community who already holds strong opinions on the iPhone's value.  However, more than anything they hark back to the classic playground-esque feud that Microsoft and Apple have carried out over the years, one that is mirrored in their commercials.  Microsoft has always argued that its products are great because they provide choices, while Apple's products are weak because they offer no choice.  Apple argues the opposite -- its products are exclusive so the quality and design is higher, while Microsoft is a messy conglomeration.

In the end, despite Bach's criticism, it's hard to argue the iPhone's success from a pure financial perspective.  However, that will likely do little to satisfy either Microsoft or Apple, which are always looking to get a one up on each other.



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RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By Grast on 10/24/2008 11:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
Well, Apple may be a boutique vendor in the realm of computers and laptops. But I have to conceed the iPhone is making a lot of headway. When the original was launched and had a price of basically $500 dollars, I held your view of being a niche market item. However once Apple released their basically rebranded/low cost to manufacture iPhone with a $300 dollar price tag, I have since changed me mind.

The reason the iPhone is a success is due to price and its a great phone. I have slowly watched everyone in my office buy a iPhone in the last 3 months. Many people which have not made the switch are simply waiting till their current contract expires or are saving up.

While I do not own a iPhone or share in the hype, no one can deny the iPhone is a successful, fantasitic, and correctly priced piece of technology. Microsoft retorich is just a ploy to keep their name in discussions when speaking about Apple.

later..


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By Alexstarfire on 10/24/2008 5:30:08 PM , Rating: 3
Other than a touchscreen there really isn't anything special about it, and it costs more than my phone that has a 5MP camera on it. My phone has a better battery life, 3G capable since it came out, plays MP3s, bluetooth stereo, etc... Only thing it lacks is a bigger screen really. I haven't taken a good look at any iPhone apps, since I don't have one... so I can't comment on that really. I'm sure there are a few good ones though. Ohh, and my phone can send text, picture, AND video messages. It can also do video calls... though I'm unaware of any US cell phone company offering it.

As far as I've ever been concerned.. the iPhone has never been anything but a gimmick.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By rcc on 10/24/2008 5:56:23 PM , Rating: 2
lol, it would appear that a lot of people disagree. Judging by the sales numbers.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By headbox on 10/25/08, Rating: -1
By Alexstarfire on 10/25/2008 7:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Who said I was defending Microsoft? I sure didn't.

Who has Microsoft insulted? Can I get a list of names. I've yet to see Microsoft bash more than Apple has. Apple has countless ads discrediting Windows. Can you say the same for Microsoft?

BTW, I never said the masses were smart. There are countless instances showing the masses, ie average joes, are very stupid.


By themadmilkman on 10/24/2008 6:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny. For me, anything more than talking and texting is a gimmick. I guess your phone is a gimmick as well?


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By michael2k on 10/24/2008 6:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
So... does your phone capably browse the web? Since it has a smaller screen that would suggest it doesn't.

I have an iPhone and have sent text and picture messages on it. Unlike your phone, my iPhone also has a light saber, Net News Wire, and a panoramic photo app. Does your phone do Google Maps? How about VoIP or IM? Does it do YouTube?

There are plenty of special features of the iPhone, which is why it happens to be the #2 selling phone in the US (not smartphone, #2 phone) right now.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By nitrous9200 on 10/24/2008 10:46:07 PM , Rating: 4
My phone browses the (mobile) web just fine, I think it makes sense on a mobile device to have just the content presented in a simply-formatted manner that loads quickly and is easy to access. Apple claims on their 3G iPhone site that it can load a page in 20 seconds or so, and they treated that like it was so amazing. 20 seconds for one page? I couldn't wait that long.
I also send text and picture messages on my phone and it's built right in, I don't need to figure out a complicated email address to send the messages to someone's phone.
A light saber...oooohh, wow, that probably keeps you occupied for 20 seconds before you get bored/annoyed of it. (Someone came into my store with their kid who had that app on there - it was REALLY annoying)
My phone can do google maps, YouTube, and IM - and I don't have to run the IM app in the foreground since it doesn't have some stupid restrictions on how apps can run!
There are plenty of special features of the iPhone, but most phones have them already - and when it's still missing basic functionality and locks you into one music and app store, I don't see the point. (BTW - I have a razr, the #1 selling phone right now).


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By nitrous9200 on 10/24/2008 10:50:47 PM , Rating: 4
Almost forgot - I can put on my own ringtones for free by just dragging and dropping them on to my memory card and can tether my phone to my computer via Bluetooth for mobile internet anywhere on a device that was designed for it. And I can add an extra capacity battery without needed something external. Oh, and it's got a standard mini-USB port.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By Chaser on 10/26/2008 12:42:36 PM , Rating: 3
You don't have a clue about the massive open app development for the iPhone. We're not talking about basic phone features. The iPhone has hundreds of apps that take distinct advantages of the iPhone. More are released everyday and the snowball just keeps growing. A good iPhone app is a potentially huge money maker.

And a Razr? Don't make me laugh. I'm glad you're happy for whatever reason you feel you need not to own an iPhone. Enjoy your phone but leave your inadequacy arguments to yourself.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By nitrous9200 on 11/20/2008 10:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
Oh sure, I feel really inadequate with my free phone...rest assured I really couldn't care less. I know there is "massive" development for the iPhone/touch, including lots of garbage. And how open is it when you can only install the apps Apple specifically approves for the app store...umm, not really. The iPhone has shaken up the mobile scene, but they've just dressed up what the rest of the world has been doing for years.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By robinthakur on 10/29/2008 6:36:22 AM , Rating: 2
I think that alot of people seem to have a strange view of the iPhone don't own one and haven't used one properly for a period of time. The features of the iPhone on paper are unremarkable, but I say once again that its the way they are integrated with the OS and used which makes it completely different and leaves the rest standing. Alot of the time companies use features as pure selling points which you use once then never touch again. Or do you think the other phone companies are racing to copy Apple on a whim? The new Blackberry Storm's menu's look like a monochromatic version of the iPhone's. As one example, the iPhone makes selling points like Google maps and the AGPS really useful, responsively touch controlled and removes all the worry that it won't work correctly like on my previous phones. It also allows apps to integrate the location data, and what you are seeing is something which Google touted at length a while ago where you can see location relevent data e.g. shops, taxi co's restaurants etc. The touch screen itself is another differentiator, its completely different to most other touch screens i've used before on Wimo phones as its very responsive and precise, something which does not apply to all such screens and the front is made of glass which feels better than squishy plastic over LCD.

I'm sure your RAZR was top of the line (in looks only) maybe 4 years ago, but now things have moved on. I know the US is slow for mobile technology but come on...! My wevbpages load much faster than 20 secs over 3G or Wifi so I don't know why it says that. The internet browser on the iPhone is superior to everything i've used so far and is properly standards compliant. I also miss flash though :(

When the music and apps store the iPhone locks you into are the best ones out there, you won't hear too many people complaining. Whilst I do love the light sabre app, you're right, its a 20 secs then bored jobby. Most of the Apps I've tried or bought have been really genuinely useful ones though, I've got 4 pages of them!

re: complication of typing in email addresses...so you type in someone's number every time you send a txt or do you maybe use an address book?? I think the only annoying thing to me personally is the inability to add people to already running SMS conversations and inability to forward messages, which are quite frankly ludicrous. For everything else, its hands down the best I've used.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By robinthakur on 10/29/2008 6:45:01 AM , Rating: 2
BTW as you still seem to think the RAZR is cutting edge after 4 years, note the following

"According to a survey by Mobile, 78% of RAZR users would not buy another Motorola handset because of poor usability. This figure was even higher for first-time users.[20]One company ranked it 11th out of 13 for ease-of-use, when compared to competitors' products — the RAZR required extra steps and had poor usability, meaning that users had a 47% success rate for a given task.[21] Also, many people dislike the interaction with it, saying that it's "awful".[22]

This contrasts quite nicely with the satisfaction of iPhone users with their purchase, though people like you would put this down to the Apple reality distortion field rather than the extraordinary possibility that they just like using the product...


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By anotherdude on 10/25/2008 1:00:18 PM , Rating: 4
Unless your iPhone is jail broke you ain't doing full youtube - youtube is flash based and iPhone won't do flash. You have the little youtube, very limited selection, not to mention all the other flash content on the web you can't view.

My PPC 6800 (mogul) does full web pages with magnification, full youtube (flash), stereo bluetooth, tethering to my laptop at 2 Mb speeds, and I can carry a spare battery that isn't an external brick making my phone about a foot long LOL. The iPhone does what it does VERY well but it is still a limited smartphone. A lot of people think iPhone invented smarphone but decent smartphones have been out a long time before Apple got into it.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By Chaser on 10/26/2008 12:44:32 PM , Rating: 1
They might as well have.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By Chaser on 10/26/2008 12:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
Nice specs, but nothing can touch the developer and accessory momentum that iPhone and iPods have world-wide today. There's far more to an iPhone than a "nice touch screen".

Nice go around. But try spending more time at an Apple store beyond the 3 minutes to feel better.


RE: Microsoft not watching Apple
By jeff834 on 10/26/2008 7:16:22 PM , Rating: 3
I cant spend more than 3 minutes in an Apple store, the whiteness (of the store and the people working/shopping there) hurts my eyes.


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