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A Northrop-Grummond built DSP satellite. These current satellites only detect ballistic missile launches, rather than shoot them down.
New $5M study is first allocated since work was halted 15 years ago.

Congress recently approved a $5 million grant to begin study of space-based missile defenses. This marks the first time money has been allocated to the program since work on space-based systems was canceled in the 1990s by President Clinton. Two years ago, Congress rejected a similar proposal.

According to Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), the threat of missile proliferation has grown rapidly since the 1990s. A total of 120 nations now have ballistic missile technology, he said, and nations like North Korea and Iran are not only developing the technology, but selling it on the open market. Missile defense systems are growing as well; 27 nations now have some form of missile defense.

The most recent annual report from the Pentagon highlighted the growing threat of accidental or intentional launch of ballistic missiles, as well as the vulnerability of U.S. satellites to attack, as evidenced by China's 2007 missile test, which destroyed a satellite in orbit.

A defense official commenting on the proposal told the Washington Times that space-based ABM systems are necessary for global, rapid defense, "It's really the only way to defend the U.S. and its allies from anywhere on the planet". The official said such defenses were last considered during the late 1980s, as part of the Global Protection Against Limited Strike, or GPALS, a multi-prong system which used ground and sea-based interceptors, along with space-based platforms. The plan was cancelled by the Clinton Administration, which focused all work on short-range missiles only.

The U.S. announced last year that its ground-based Star Wars' missile defense system was operational and ready for use, though capable at present of covering only parts of the U.S. Plans to expand the system in Europe are under way.

Despite claims to the contrary, China is also apparently working on similar proposals, says China military affairs specialist Richard Fisher. The program, which China says it halted in the 1960s, has apparently been restarted with such systems as the SC-19 anti-satellite missile. According to Fisher, China is also trying to deploy space-warfare weapons, aircraft carrier groups, and a much larger MIRV'ed version of its nuclear ballistic missile arsenal.

Fisher, author of the new book, "China's Military Modernization: Building for Regional and Global Reach", says that by 2020, China "will be well on their way to assembling all the elements of global power that [the U.S.] has today".



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Sounds great but...
By reader1 on 10/17/2008 1:13:27 PM , Rating: 5
...biological weapons can fit in a coat pocket.

Safety is now and always will be an illusion.

The only way to keep a country safe is by eliminating the incentive to harm it, which is impossible. As long as humans are civil, they will hate each other.




RE: Sounds great but...
By thepalinator on 10/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Sounds great but...
By InvertMe on 10/17/2008 2:00:13 PM , Rating: 2
All the military in the world wont save you from an airborn virus that you can see, smell or know it's there until you fall over dead. (I know a little dramatic)

I kinda think that's what the OP was getting at.


RE: Sounds great but...
By jadeskye on 10/17/2008 2:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
i agree. safety always has been an illusion. in my opinion the whole purpose of 9/11 was to shatter that illusion and i'd say it did a fairly good job of it.

Shame that in this case theres little one can do to prepare for such eventualities.


RE: Sounds great but...
By 67STANG on 10/17/2008 5:32:58 PM , Rating: 3
Sure there is, at least on an individual basis.... move to a small city or town.


RE: Sounds great but...
By onelittleindian on 10/18/2008 1:41:25 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
safety always has been an illusion. in my opinion the whole purpose of 9/11 was to shatter that illusion
I've never heard such a load of fatalistic, runny-nosed, flower-power whooey in my life. Safety is not an illusion. We've stopped a lot of terrorist attacks since 9/11, and pretty much everyone in the world knows that if you want to attack the US, you better plan on it being a suicide mission.

All 9/11 did was prove airplanes make great weapons. IF you're willing to die to use them. And with locked cabin doors, federal air marshals, and all the other new safety procedures, they ain't so great any more. Pretty soon jets will have autopilots that prevent them from being intentionally crashed at all.

If your dumb *** thinks safety is all "just an illusion" its only because you've lived your whole stupid life in a country that keeps you safe. Try living in a country that's gone through genocide, civil war, or something really dangerous and you'll won't ever say anything so stupid again. That is, if you live...which I seriously doubt you would. Low intelligence has a way of being weeded out of the gene pool in situations like that.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2008 1:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
^^ +6 post.


RE: Sounds great but...
By spuddyt on 10/19/2008 1:14:00 PM , Rating: 3
I think you are misinterpreting his meaning - he means Total safety is an illusion, like america almost believed that no one could touch it in any way back before 9/11, but now people feel the need to have extra security at airports, look out for suspiscious characters on trains, etc. you can almost always increase your relative safety, but as long as human beings are mortal, and as long as people can come and go as they wish, total safety is impossible


RE: Sounds great but...
By thepalinator on 10/17/2008 2:46:36 PM , Rating: 5
When that virus has to be researched, weaponized, and then delivered, a military will certainly help save you. You think brewing up some world-destroying killer virus is quick and easy?


RE: Sounds great but...
By sgw2n5 on 10/17/2008 3:09:11 PM , Rating: 1
Not near as difficult as one might think it is. There are at least 10,000 people in the US alone that could do this.

Microbiology isn't rocket science.


RE: Sounds great but...
By thepalinator on 10/17/2008 3:42:38 PM , Rating: 5
Nowhere near that many. Yeah, cultivating a virus isn't hard, but making and distributing a succesful weaponized one is a LOT harder.

Compare the anthrax attacks on the US. The FBI estimated that only about a dozen people had the skills to do that, and even still it only killed five people. The guy would have better luck with a gun in a crowded room.

Making a virus that kill millions (and not kill you in the process) IS rocket science. It's harder, actually.


RE: Sounds great but...
By kenji4life on 10/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds great but...
By 1078feba on 10/17/2008 10:30:46 PM , Rating: 5
three words: it's a movie.


RE: Sounds great but...
By onelittleindian on 10/18/2008 2:01:54 AM , Rating: 3
Most people think all those things you see in Hollywood movies are really true. Things like "grenades explode in big clouds of flame" or "cars blow up if you shoot them" or "all big corporate CEOs have gangs of hired thugs willing to commit murder for them".


RE: Sounds great but...
By Chillin1248 on 10/18/2008 5:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
I always wished my Quartermaster would ask for some "Hollywood Grenades" to be shipped in, they seem to be 15X more effective than any grenade I've ever seen.

Alas, we are still stuck with the M61.

-------
Chillin


RE: Sounds great but...
By masher2 (blog) on 10/18/2008 12:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
My favorite Hollywood myth is the shooting victim who gets knocked back several feet from the bullet's impact.


RE: Sounds great but...
By kenji4life on 10/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds great but...
By energy1man on 10/18/2008 8:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
Anthrax is a bacterium, not a virus. Overall your point is still mostly valid, though a bacterial infection would be harder to spread than a viral one.


RE: Sounds great but...
By bfonnes on 10/18/2008 8:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
I don't recall that time you're talking about killing anyone... Article?


RE: Sounds great but...
By Josett on 10/20/2008 12:15:27 PM , Rating: 2
Pick [insert harmful substance], fill up some syringes with it, go to a supermarket and stick it in the fruit/milk/... packs.
There you have it.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Sumanji on 10/17/2008 2:04:40 PM , Rating: 3
lol maybe we should ask Japan to invade China again and see how the fare second time round?

I don't think they will have as much luck as 1937 ;)


RE: Sounds great but...
By kenji4life on 10/17/2008 9:47:44 PM , Rating: 5
Well, let's see. To expand on your cute little joke:

We ask Japan to invade China.

They tell us that they have no offensive military, per the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, and that we, the U.S. handle all of their Offensive military capacity.

They we say "Oh."

/

The Japanese weren't working on luck, they were working with a superior military, which has for the most part been dissolved into a small defense force which is bolstered by several US bases throughout the Far East. In the time of China (which for those who don't know, started several years ago), any country in the world who would attempt to invade China, including the U.S. would be squished like a bug. Look at how overextended we are already with just the Middle East. If we, and every other ally we have poured every available troop into China, they would make Vietnam look like the battle of 2004 Red Sox vs Cardinals (and I'll tell you we aren't the "RED" Sox in this battle.)

The only way we could hope to win in China would be a massive nuclear launch, which would be the worst Genocide in U.S. History, topping the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Slave trade, and of course the Extermination of the Native Americans.

But something tells me if it did go down, it wouldn't go down either of these ways. I find it more likely that China will just become the Economic center of the world in future years, with a well educated youth which has focused on strong ethical/moral values.

We should be worried more about the education, stabilization and infrastructure of Africa and the Middle East, which is the biggest threat IMHO.


RE: Sounds great but...
By masher2 (blog) on 10/18/2008 2:09:25 AM , Rating: 3
> "We should be worried more about the education, stabilization and infrastructure of Africa and the Middle East, which is the biggest threat IMHO"

Middle East aside, I'm curious how you regard an Africa lacking both education and infrastructure as a serious threat to the US.


RE: Sounds great but...
By bfonnes on 10/18/2008 8:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
Any region that is not stabilized can be used a base for an attack. Maybe not a physical attack, but there are much more ways to cause mayhem than just physical attacks in today's internet world. It'd be naivete not to think so. Respond if you like and I'll respond and tell you how.


RE: Sounds great but...
By kenji4life on 10/18/2008 8:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
I meant the middle east as a global threat, and the poor education/infrastructure of Africa south of the middle east more as a regional problem. Thanks for bringing my attention for the need for clarity. But you don't disagree with me do you?


RE: Sounds great but...
By LeftSide on 10/18/2008 7:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
Have you ever been to China? I know they boast a million man army, but most of them are untrained farmers. Once you get past the main army, the rest of them were trained with sticks. Unless they have gone through a massive overhaul of their training program in the last 2 years, I wouldn't be worried.

Numbers mean nothing. The U.S. didn't take out the entire Iraqi Military by shooting every one of them, they took them out strategically . They took out their communications, then sent out pamphlets giving instructions on how to surrender. It was very effective. The actual war was very, very short. Its the Rebuilding of Iraq that is taking so long. I don't think the U.S. is going to war with China anytime soon, but I also don't think every Nation is afraid to invade based on numbers.


RE: Sounds great but...
By bangmal on 10/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: Sounds great but...
By Ryanman on 10/19/2008 4:13:05 AM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah... your "mom with a baseball bat" rant holds up, especially since we've killed something like 20k insurgents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency#Effe...

Your entire post should be focused on how the war in Iraq is unjust, not how much ass coalition forces kick.
I'm sure whichever country you're from has a much more effective army than us.../sarc


RE: Sounds great but...
By B3an on 10/17/2008 4:28:32 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah because the US really won in Vietnam didn't it... just like with Iraq, how long was that meant to last again, a year? i also see that they have found Bin Laden and these imaginary Nukes. You couldn't even invade Canada in the 1800's.
WW2 is pretty much the only clear win the US has had in a war, and even then you missed atleast half of it, and were far away on a separate bit of land so were not bombed. The US military doesn't exactly have the best of records. But for some odd reason you yanks seem to think you're so great and will win easy... maybe thats why you get into so many wars and lose many.


RE: Sounds great but...
By bhieb on 10/17/2008 5:13:28 PM , Rating: 3
Wow really.

Assuming for a moment that your British (judging by Yanks). How dare you of all people claim we are arrogant and cocky. If I don't recall there was this shithole of a island in North West Europe that stroked its Naval penis for centuries around the globe. Dominating and killing thousands for Queen and country. If I'm not mistaken there was this little dispute with some colony in 1776 or so that you used the lame "they're too far away" excuse for as well.

All I'm saying is Like Father Like Son, where do you think we learned it from. Don't site back on your now high morals and pretend to be innocent in the matters of war.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Chaser on 10/17/2008 7:15:41 PM , Rating: 2
Great Britain could not have survived without U.S. aid and without the specter of the US joining the conflict of WW2 outright. I'd say for your sake you should be very grateful for that record.

But it's short term memory, a complete lack of context from younger generation, anti-war, often anti-American euro historical revisionists that has replaced gratitude with contempt for the U.S.


RE: Sounds great but...
By masher2 (blog) on 10/17/2008 7:47:33 PM , Rating: 2
Very true, for both the previous posters. As stellar as the US military's record is, Great Britain's naval reputation during the Age of Sail was even more incredible.

I recall one battle where a British admiral attacked a substantially larger French fleet, won the fight, sinking, burning, or capturing a majority of the enemy forces -- yet was court-martialled upon returning home, for allowing several of French forces to escape.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Guttersnipe on 10/18/2008 1:40:01 AM , Rating: 1
bingo, just something to remember next time some european begs us to vote for obama so we can be "loved" again.

hundreds of thousands of americans died keeping europe and the uk free in the last century.

and now they all whine when they suffer a few losses in their half assed efforts in afganistan. there are cries to pull out, and that its hopeless. thats the love hundreds of thousands dead for their freedom buys. just remember that.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Dove2Three on 10/18/2008 12:26:32 PM , Rating: 1
The Europeans whine because they've been protected free of charge so long by the American military that they now think a military isn't needed. God help them when history reminds them otherwise.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Sandok on 10/18/2008 1:40:29 PM , Rating: 1
And the US has forgotten that without the French, they wouldn't be independant right now

And the French forgot that without barbarian invasions from the East, they wouldn't exist.

And the barbarians forgot that without blablalblabla.

Things go round and round people, stop being so embarrasingly stuckup on little facts.

Oh and Europe currently isn't really attracting any attention, the US is. And I'm just talking terrorism here, let's not go into the economy or such.


RE: Sounds great but...
By straycat74 on 10/18/2008 2:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
Do a little research on the terror attacks in Europe.

Then look at the muslims essentially taking over European countries by simply moving in and multiplying. Check out the birthrates between muslims and citizens.

The muslims are woring their way in there, just like the socialists have been working there way and pushing their agenda here. Worst thing about the socialists/communists is they told us they were going to do it.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Note #'s 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24-32, 36, 39-42.

Notice how they need more and more people to give control to the government. Turn needs into rights. Housing, health care, food, shelter, "education" (my son (10) recently told me Columbus came here to steal gold from the Indians, which he learned from his teacher. You can say what you want about the events following his introduction on the Americas to the world, but you need to look at it through the eyes of the time in which it happened.)


RE: Sounds great but...
By tehbiz on 10/18/2008 3:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
except that the French monarchy that supported the independence of America was quickly overthrown during our country's birth and early development. Those people to whom we do owe gratitude were all beheaded long ago, only to turn France into what it is now.


RE: Sounds great but...
By theendofallsongs on 10/20/2008 12:15:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the French monarchy that supported the independence of America was quickly overthrown. Those people to whom we do owe gratitude were all beheaded long ago, only to turn France into what it is now.

Yessir. And don't forget the French were only helping to try to revenge themselves on the British, not because they were interested in spreading freedom or democracy.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Guttersnipe on 10/18/2008 1:32:43 AM , Rating: 3
not really, the military was achieving victories after suffering some propaganda losses. the vietcong were recieving unsustainable losses, but they basically won because they convinced the anti war crowd that the couldn't be beaten. their bluff worked. a people unwilling to fight cannot win, esp with a massive amount of folk basically pushing propaganda for the other side.

if the anti war movement were as strong and active during ww2 we would have lost that as well.


RE: Sounds great but...
By 1078feba on 10/20/2008 2:06:29 PM , Rating: 3
Bravo.

Well said.

In 'Nam, we won all the battles, yet we somehow "lost" the war. The only real problem with how we waged that war was that the Commanders on the ground had to phone D.C. to get permission to go to the head.

We learned our lessons on that. With over 10 years in the Marine Corps, believe me, those lessons were shoved down our throats. Unity of Command, Commander's Intent and the felxibility to make decisions on the fly as events on the ground require.

"An adequate decision made in a timely manner is far better than a great decision made too late."
Fleet Marine Force Manual 1.1 - Warfighting

The only thing really asked in return is that you learn from your mistakes. No more flushing a good man and his career down the john for simple failure. And no more Monday morning quaterbacking.


RE: Sounds great but...
By SiliconAddict on 10/17/2008 8:18:31 PM , Rating: 5
As Iraq has shown military force can not stop terrorists. If you think that we's stopped terrorist activity in Iraq think again. They are simply laying low. I've always found it humorous anytime I hear sabre rattlers claim we are seeking out terrorists in Iraq. Oh really. So I guess terrorists all wear red shirts that says Down with the US on them so its easy to target them....retarded.

No the reality is you want to stop violence and terrorism you need to give people a reason to not want to commit violence. Yes there will always be a Krazy Kim in the world. But the actions of the US over these last years....terrorists are created through despiration. And of course no one in Iraq EVER feels like they have run out of options. Right? Right?

That said. There is something to be said for having a big stick of your own. But it doesn't mean you pull it out and wave it around like an asshat. And there is the crux of the situation. America is seen as the asshats of the world, and to a certain extent over the last 8 year there are factions of this country who HAVE acted like asshats. Fix our relations, our standing in the world, and how people see us before we start rolling out new defensive measures. No one trusts the US as it is. How would a missile defense shield make things better.

I swear to god. Does anyone even know what the word diplomacy is now a days? Bush's concept over the last 8 year has been to threaten them, and take like a good 'o boy.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Manch on 10/17/2008 9:17:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So I guess terrorists all wear red shirts that says Down with the US on them so its easy to target them....retarded.

Well one of them at least does!

http://www.circulosbolivarianosbr.kit.net/imagens/...

quote:
No the reality is you want to stop violence and terrorism you need to give people a reason to not want to commit violence.


Well by Nov 14th there will be no more Marines in Fallujah.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,439612,00.html


RE: Sounds great but...
By whiskerwill on 10/17/2008 9:23:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
As Iraq has shown military force can not stop terrorists
Iraq has shown just the opposite. There hasn't been a single terrorist attack on the US since we invaded. They're all too busy in Iraq. And even there, the US military surge has been so successful that even the hardcore democrat doves in congress have admitted it was a success.

quote:
But the actions of the US over these last years....terrorists are created through despiration.
Nearly all the terrorists in Iraq are from OTHER countries in the region. We didn't create them, their own religion did that.

quote:
Does anyone even know what the word diplomacy is now a days? Bush's concept over the last 8 year has been to threaten them
Did you never read a paper before 8 years ago? Clinton launched far more military actions than Bush did. Invasions in Bosnia, Serbia Kosovo, attacks on Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia, plenty of others. Clinton even threatened Haiti with the largest airborne assault since WW2. Clinton even bombed Iraq, in Operation Desert Fox, and signed a law to fund opposition groups to overthrow the government there.

Learn some history and stop embarrassing yourself.


RE: Sounds great but...
By 1078feba on 10/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds great but...
By cmdrdredd on 10/18/2008 10:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
Funny how every left wing liberal dumbasscrat around the place gets rated 5 and everyone with a brain and an understanding of the world with a conservative view gets rated down.

shows how far the US has dropped in both education level and common sense. Pathetic...simply pathetic.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Muirgheasa on 10/19/2008 6:55:29 AM , Rating: 1
Or possibly it's not really funny, because they have a point? The idea that the US may be partly responsible for terrorism because of its actions isn't really all that crazy you know, equally not the idea that through good faith you might encourage good (or at least better) international relations...


RE: Sounds great but...
By 1078feba on 10/20/2008 2:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
No worries.

Sometimes, around here, it's like a badge of honor.

Just ask FITCamaro.


RE: Sounds great but...
By Samus on 10/19/2008 4:33:40 AM , Rating: 1
I'd argue our intelligence, especially during the cold war-era, saved us more than our military ever could. Look at our military's success in other facets during that period...


RE: Sounds great but...
By omgwtf8888 on 10/20/2008 11:42:53 AM , Rating: 1
We have the best defense against China that anyone could ever thing of... Get them to invest all of their money here, and then they would never do anything to harm us.... LULZ


RE: Sounds great but...
By danrien on 10/17/2008 2:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
nothing that you just said made any sense.


RE: Sounds great but...
By whiskerwill on 10/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds great but...
By Myg on 10/17/2008 4:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
Made sense up till the "As long as humans are civil, they will hate each other."

Kinda lost me there, but the general perception is good.

Seems like you just found a Practical use for Christianity ;-)


RE: Sounds great but...
By rippleyaliens on 10/18/2008 12:38:27 AM , Rating: 4
Well, here it is in simple english..
If you are walking with your buddy, down a street, and a guy wants to beat you up. If you are the weakling looking person, boom you get jumped. simple strategy, you fight the person you think you can easily win.
NOW if you had a gun, and the guy made a movement to you, and you pulled out gun, the bad guy, will probably stop in his tracts. Unless he had a gun himself..
This story goes back and forth..

The reason for having a huge military, and a heavy defense, how ever the illusion, it is a BIGGGGGG message, that will stop 99% of whoever is thinking of attacking us, or an ally.

You can get killed walking your doggie. (heat)..
the key is showing your potential attacker that hitting you would be a veryyyy bad/costly idea.

Why do we need a missile system. EASY,, We arent worried about the country with 10 nukes, we are VERYYYY worried about the country with just 1, and wants to use it.

A Bio Weapon, (we alreaddy have a TONNNN of them), the key is that we have it... So does china.. so does russia.. Why arent anyone using them, well, goes with the first statements.. if you have something, and your enemy doesnt you have the power, but if you both have it, you are less likely to want to deploy anything, for fear of it happening to you. Terrorist=Freedom fighters. Technically, the USA's forefathers were terrorists against England. Religious fighters.. Same thing, Christians/Muslims/other.. Been fighting for over 2000 years, and will continue.


RE: Sounds great but...
By tehbiz on 10/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds great but...
By Dribble on 10/20/2008 5:13:35 AM , Rating: 2
So you spend billions producing the ultimate missile defence system and said enemy just delivers their nuke by some other method - just stick it on a plane, boat, van, etc. Missile defence is useless.
The restart of the project and the 5 billion has got more to do with political lobbying by defence contractors looking for some blank cheques to spend.


RE: Sounds great but...
By JediJeb on 10/20/2008 3:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
It's easier to throw a rock over a fence and hit your target than to throw a rock through a fence and hit your target. This would just help put a fence over our heads to make it a little harder to hit us, not impossible.


RE: Sounds great but...
By William Gaatjes on 10/19/2008 7:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
And that is why education is the most important thing.
Every country children must go to school to learn to think independently and objectively to make the right choice.
To have the freedom to learn to think before you act.
This is not always the case and feeds frustations and emotional outbursts, and many people in the wrong emotional state are (ab)used. I don't think the human race will automatically hate eachother. I do think that being able to conversate on a mature level helps a lot. And objective media is most important.

I always found a certain piece of text from the bible interesting. It is written that people once spoke one language and then where seperated and forced to not understand eachother anymore (Genesis chapter 11).
Now it is not relevant if this is true or not but...
I just want to say with this that we not only speak different languages but also have different cultural behaviours. Therefore empathy and using your common sense must be number 1 on the list of things to do. And for all good reasons, certainly not on the bucket list.

Trust far outways paranoia and now that more countries are coming out of the dark area, less people will be interested in war as long as they have the freedom to think before they act and an enjoyable life. We will build our tower of babel once again. And what then will happen who will know...


"We can't expect users to use common sense. That would eliminate the need for all sorts of legislation, committees, oversight and lawyers." -- Christopher Jennings














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