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Sharp Aquos DX Series LCD Television  (Source: www.nni.nikkei.co.jp)
Sharp combines Blu-ray Disc Recorders with its LCD television technology

PC World reports that Sharp will begin selling the world’s first LCD televisions with a built-in Blu-ray Disc recorder in Japan next month. The televisions should go on sale in the United States before the end of this year and will begin selling in Europe in 2009.

The Aquos DX-series models will be available in 26-inch to 52-inch models and will include dual digital tuners, so it will be possible to watch one channel while recording another.

The Blu-ray Disc recorder embedded in the televisions will support the more efficient MPEG4 H.264/AVC digital encoding format, which means up to 5 times more video content can be recorded on a standard Blu-ray Disc than with earlier models that support just the MPEG2 format. In the case of a 25GB disc, almost 11 hours of high-definition (HD) TV can be recorded using the more efficient compression.

According to Nikei Net, Sharp Corp. is on track to sell 11 million liquid-crystal-display televisions in the global market during its fiscal year ending March 2009 despite a global economic slowdown.

Sharp President Mikio Katayama emphasized at a Wednesday press conference that Sharp is embarking on a strategy to distinguish its products from rivals. "With high-functional products and cost-cutting efforts, we'll differentiate ourselves from others," Katayama said. The release of the Aquos DX series appears to be one of the first steps in implementing this strategy.

For Sharp, which last week slashed its earnings estimates for the fiscal half and full year due to its deteriorating mobile handset business, its LCD television products have helped them to survive in the competitive electronics industry.



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Nothing on price?
By Denigrate on 10/15/2008 11:28:42 AM , Rating: 3
If this only adds $300ish to the TV, I'm on board for one.




RE: Nothing on price?
By Souka on 10/15/2008 11:43:42 AM , Rating: 2
But how much is a blank disc... $25 for a rewritable? 15$ for a std. blank?

Also... how long until this news headline "xxx company annouces the WORLDS FIRST LED LCD TV with BLUE-RAY recorder built in" or replace LED with OLED...:)

;)


RE: Nothing on price?
By Oregonian2 on 10/15/2008 1:44:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
MPEG4 H.264/AVC digital encoding format, which means up to 5 times more video content can be recorded on a standard Blu-ray Disc than with earlier models that support just the MPEG2 format. In the case of a 25GB disc, almost 11 hours of high-definition (HD) TV can be recorded using the more efficient compression.


What's funny is that given the parameters above (2.3 GB/hour), a 20-cent single layer "plain" old fashioned writeable DVD(+/-R(W)) would hold about an hour and 45 minutes worth or a $1 to $1.50'ish double-layer disk about three hours (at the same quality). Seems like that would be a nice option too if the players would be able to read the format (or at least that TV-unit).


RE: Nothing on price?
By 16nm on 10/15/2008 7:50:55 PM , Rating: 3
Your math is right, but that's not even enough time to record most sports events. Blu-ray will come down in price. I think this TV is awesome and I'd like one. Kudos to Sharp's innovation!


RE: Nothing on price?
By Oregonian2 on 10/15/2008 9:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
True, but it's long enough for most movies, and that'd be more likely to be recorded onto optical disks, IMO. There are very few sports events I'd like to record "permanently" to watch again later, but there a few movies that I'd not mind seeing repeatedly from time to time.

For sports we use the DVR in the DirecTV box to record (if need be) and then delete after watching, so I agree with someone's comments about disk being good for "non-permanent" recording (can take an external eSATA 1-TB drive).

Movies may sit there for some time for later re-watching. But for folk w/o recording of any other kind, and willing to spend the cost of a blu-ray blank disk to delay-record a game, a blu-ray disk would be the way to go. My suggestion wasn't to replace the Blu-Ray, but to be an extended feature with cheap media being the focus of the feature. As it is, we're fine with the DVR method for now (and we've three of them, although only one has a "good" TV connected to it. :-).


RE: Nothing on price?
By Souka on 10/16/2008 3:28:16 PM , Rating: 2
not sure about manfacturing costs...but wouldn't a HD solution be cheaper and more desireable?

consumer cost
blueray burner $300 + blank media
or
640 GB HD $75

just a thought...


RE: Nothing on price?
By FITCraparo on 10/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Nothing on price?
By TreeDude62 on 10/15/2008 12:11:01 PM , Rating: 1
"The 16 sets in the Aquos DX line range from 26-inch to 52-inch models and cost between $1,600 and $4,900"

http://gizmodo.com/5063533/sharp-aquos-dx-lcds-com...

Way too much if you ask me. Also the models lower than 37" are only 720p.


RE: Nothing on price?
By mmntech on 10/15/2008 1:27:00 PM , Rating: 2
I paid $550 for my 26'' Samsung and I can pick up an HD-PVR from my cable company for $400. Still, are those the Japanese prices because they usually seem to pay more for stuff than we do.

I can't see this really catching on with PVRs becoming cheaper and more plentiful. The ones that support USB 2.0 with a 1Tb external drive attached can store approximately 440hrs of HD content using AVC. Even stand alone DVD recorders aren't that popular. I don't know anybody that has one.


RE: Nothing on price?
By bmheiar on 10/15/2008 1:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
Who do you have for your cable company? To my knowledge there are no cable companies (in the USA) who allow or offer to sell DVRs/HD-PVRs to their customers. Renting from them yes, but buying from them no. But I only have experience with Time Warner. So if I am wrong and there is a cable company that allows you to buy equipment from them instead of renting, I would really like to know.


Why?
By therealnickdanger on 10/15/2008 11:30:15 AM , Rating: 2
I thought hard drives were being installed in TV as a DVR solution. Why would you only want 25GB of storage?

A built-in BD player on its own makes perfect sense, but a burner... just seems dumb.




RE: Why?
By bplewis24 on 10/15/2008 11:46:10 AM , Rating: 4
The preferred solution (as is used with most stand-alone recorders) is to have a built-in HDD and the option to record to optical media.

With the built-in HDD, you have finite recording space. With removable media, your recording space is theoretically infinite. That's why this will appeal to people.

Not to mention the ability to transfer HD recordings to optical media that can be transferred to another player. The fact that this is getting a US release at some point and isn't exclusive to Japan (like most BD recorders) makes me pretty excited about the prospects for this stand-alone technology in the future.

Brandon


RE: Why?
By SpaceJumper on 10/21/2008 12:14:34 PM , Rating: 2
Soon it will be HD bluray camcorder, Bluray video rental, and copy TV programs for sharing. This is the money making gap before the TV with build-in DVR/Bluray rolls out.


Not a fan of combo's
By mdogs444 on 10/15/2008 11:31:51 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe its just me, but I'm so skeptical on buying TV's that have built in DVD players. So many people I know have had issues with the built in DVD having issues or have flat out stopped working.

I can see the benefit for less devices and space saving, but I'd still rather have a separate component for reliability.




RE: Not a fan of combo's
By amanojaku on 10/15/2008 12:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
If the price difference is small ($150 or less) I would say it's worth it for the time it works. On the other hand, I agree that separate components are best. Ideally, the built in unit would be user-replaceable.


RE: Not a fan of combo's
By InvertMe on 10/15/2008 12:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
I agree - I would rather have seperate units. My parents bought a combo unit and the dvd/vhs player broke. They ended up having to buy a whole new TV.

Now if the combo unit includes the hot chick in the pic - I am all over it.


RE: Not a fan of combo's
By SpaceJumper on 10/21/2008 12:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
For the people with small spaces and want to have a neater setup by mounting it on the wall. I think today equipment shall be all wireless.


What about cable boxes recording ?
By MarcLeFou on 10/15/2008 12:17:11 PM , Rating: 2
Great idea to have dual tuners but wouldn't you require support on cable boxes for 2 HDMI outputs for this to be useful to the majority of HD viewers (as I understand it, 80%+ of HD users use a cable box or a set top box of some kind) ?

Give me the ability to build my own HTPC to record HD on the fly and I'll be much happier.




RE: What about cable boxes recording ?
By vapore0n on 10/15/2008 2:43:29 PM , Rating: 2
dual ntsc/atsc tuners, for local channels over the air or unencrypted channels over cable. Over her in the US that means locals over antenna and channels 2-99.

hdmi is just a video in port, it is not a tuner port.


By djc208 on 10/16/2008 7:46:26 AM , Rating: 2
Actually it should be (analog) channels 2-125 (though most cable companies don't go that high in analog).

But I think that was the original poster's point, and the question I had as well. What good is this recorder if it can only record from the tuners? Most HD content is going to be through a cable or sat converter box. So now you need two of them, and hope this TV can control them to record anything anyway. Otherwise you can only record about 5 or 6 channels in HD in most places and those analog channels you get. But who want's to record Discovery SD if you can record Discovery HD? Isn't that the point of a BD recorder?

If you're willing to blow that kind of money on a TV with BD recorder you probably don't use OTA or basic cable, so what good is this recorder?

Now if it has a cable-card (or two) that's a different animal.


By bmheiar on 10/15/2008 1:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
Now when will Blu-Ray recorders w/ HDD & Dual HD (full ATSC/QAM) Tuners stand alone retail purchased equipment (NOT HTPC or TIVO & etc.), be available in the USA?




Integrated -> Crap
By lotharamious on 10/15/2008 3:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
I can't use the on-board sound on a motherboard argument anymore. But I can say that most "luxury" items that are integrated on a TV are complete garbage.

Take built-in speakers for example... for the most part they're just crap. If you don't plan on purchasing some nice stand alone speakers for that new LCD TV, you can just forget decent sound.

I believe this blu-ray drive will be the same thing. Just jack up the cost by a $500, and put in a crappy player. It's ridiculous.




Sharp
By deedub222 on 10/15/2008 5:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
I thought you had to be a creepy looking physics professor to understand Sharp TVs?




Optical discs fail pretty soon after a year or two
By on 10/15/08, Rating: -1
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