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Pre-beta Windows 7 OS will be given to developers at coming conferences

Microsoft Windows Vista is still considered relatively new on the market and some users have not yet upgraded from Windows XP to Vista for a variety of reasons. Microsoft is continuing to allow certain types of computers to run Windows XP thanks to its lower cost and overhead.

Despite being released less than two years ago to the general public, Microsoft is hard at work on the replacement for Vista. DailyTech reported that the next Microsoft PC operating system -- codenamed Windows 7 -- had its first setback in September.  Microsoft had planned to offer the first Windows 7 Beta in October of 2008, that date slipped to December 2008.

Microsoft's Mike Nash wrote in a blog post that Microsoft would be providing a pre-beta version of Windows 7 exclusively to developers to attendees at the PDC and WinHEC developers conferences.

Nash also wrote in the blog post that Microsoft has decided on the final name for the next Windows operating system, and it's one we are familiar with. Microsoft has decided to call the operating system Windows 7. This is the first time a Windows operating system has kept its codename as the official name.

Nash wrote, "The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity. Over the years, we have taken different approaches to naming Windows.  We've used version numbers like Windows 3.11, or dates like Windows 98, or ‘aspirational’ monikers like Windows XP or Windows Vista.  And since we do not ship new versions of Windows every year, using a date did not make sense. Likewise, coming up with an all-new ‘aspirational’ name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows."

Details on Windows 7 are still scant, but Nash says that Microsoft will be sharing more in the coming weeks. To this point, feature wise it is known that the OS will support multi-touch and use the same driver system as Windows Vista.



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RE: Disappointment
By StraightPipe on 10/14/2008 1:52:29 PM , Rating: 0
I understand the theory behind superfetch. "un used ram is wastred, so keep your ram full all the time. try to predict waht the user wants, so it will already be cached when they start it up"

this is a good theory, but it doesnt work that well. For example a basic gaming rig has about 4GB of RAM. Windows uses about 1.3GB on a fresh boot (yes Vista is pretty bloated). so you've got 2.7GB left. Super fetch will then start filling that 2.7 with data it thinks is needed.

Now really how much can your PC predict you'll need in the future? Ok, so you probably could go ahead and cache a web browser (a couple megs)... then what? Vista will fill up that ram if you leave it long enough. the only thing I need that 4GB of RAM for is games. Unless Vista knows what game i want to play today and caches itbefore I start playing, it's wasting time and energy.

also, for the peeps that said ram does not "WEAR out", they're wrong. through normal use, you'll never notice a thing, but RAM does wear out after repeated use, which is why "wear leveling algorythms" have begun to spring up in the mem market and SSD drive controllers. the superfetching causes way more memroy usasge than needed (when the PC is supposed to be idle) cause un-need wear. Will it be enough to make a difference? time will tell.

Even if you dont agree on the memory wear the point is, superfetch sucks for games. I have seen some high end rigs coming with memory management software that allows the user to desginate which apps get the priority for fetching.
(Just give me my browser, My computer, note pad, my media player, and the game I've played the most recently)


RE: Disappointment
By anotherdude on 10/14/2008 2:02:28 PM , Rating: 4
whenever I see a stick of RAM 'wear out' I'll start worrying then, until that time I bougt it so please, put it to good use.

For those who say superfetch gets in the way of anything at all I say link to a solid study or GTFO.


RE: Disappointment
By anotherdude on 10/14/2008 2:05:45 PM , Rating: 3
That 1.3 must not be actually requiered, since Vista will run on 1 gig or even 512 - are you sure you understand how this superfetch thing works exactly?


RE: Disappointment
By inighthawki on 10/14/2008 3:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
It caches applications based on how commonly they are used. If the ONLY thing you use on your gaming rig is cod4 of WoW, etc, there's a very good chance it WILL be in there, that is to say, vista DOES know you want to play that. Plus how is this a disadvantage to having it COMPLETELY off? Isn't having a game or a web browser properly cached already an advantage?

If the app isnt being used and you need room, it simply overwrites the ram. If you use it, well it's already there! If you need to use it and it's not cached, it takes x amount of time to boot. With it cached, slightly less. With caching off, you NEVER have an advantage in performance. Where is your logic?


RE: Disappointment
By Zshazz on 10/14/2008 5:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, that's a different type of memory that uses the wear leveling algorithms.

The type of memory that wears out is called "Flash memory" (the stuff that the majority of SSDs are made of).

DDR memory is completely different. It doesn't wear out nearly fast enough to worry about (the computer's processor would wear out before the RAM would ... since the CPU has integrated memory - L2 cache for instance - similar to DDR and it's used significantly more)


RE: Disappointment
By rudolphna on 10/15/2008 9:20:08 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is, is that with most computer replacements.. Its often not because they "wore out" but because they are obsolete. Hell, the projected life of processors is about 7 years. Ive had a Pentium II machine running in teh basement since I bought it. My son has a K6-II laptop running Win98 he uses for school. I dont think we will ever get to a point where the computers will "wear out" in anything except fans, and Harddrives.


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