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The 2009 Flex will be available with the Ford Collision Warning System

Ford Collision Warning System Diagram  (Source: Ford)
System warns of impending collision and prepares brakes

Ford Motor Company is betting big on new technology to help drivers avoid accidents. Most cars on the road today utilize technology like air bags to help you survive an accident, but typically only expensive luxury cars utilized technology that actually helped drivers avoid a crash.

Ford announced a new technology called Collision Warning with Brake Support that is coming in 2009 on certain Ford and Lincoln vehicles. The crux of the system is that it detects an imminent collision via a type of radar and produces a tone over the cars audio system to warn the driver.

In addition to the tone warning, the system also projects a red warning light onto the windshield of the vehicle. At the same time the audio and visual warnings are going off, the system primes the brakes for emergency stop.

Braking is pre-charged and a brake-assist feature is engaged to help the driver get maximum braking force as soon as possible. Paul Mascarenas, Ford VP of product engineering, Global Product Development said in a statement, "The new Collision Warning with Brake Support technology puts us on the leading edge of active safety to help customers detect and avoid possible dangers. Ford will be the first to offer this technology on mainstream models that many families can afford."

Ford is mum on exactly what the Brake Support system entails and how specifically it works. It doesn't appear that the system starts braking the vehicle alone; the driver has to initiate braking. Collision warning with Brake Support isn’t the only radar assisted safety system making its way into Ford and Lincoln vehicles.

Ford is introducing Adaptive Cruise Control that will adjust the speed of the vehicle when cruise is engaged depending on proximity to other vehicles. Ford has also announced a system known as BLIS (Blind Spot Information System) that also uses radar.

DailyTech reported this week that Ford introduced a speed limiting key system called MyKey that limits the car to lower speeds when used to start the vehicle. The system is being marketed to parents of teenage children. Interestingly, Bugatti uses a similar system on its exotic Veyron; a special key is needed to get maximum speed from the car.



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This is why gas milage...
By Marlin1975 on 10/8/2008 12:25:03 PM , Rating: -1
does not increase while engine performance has.

We have to keep adding more and more "safety" items to a car to cover idiots who can't drive and/or don't pay attention.

My $14k used car has 6 air bags, traction control, abs, crush zones, stabilatrack, etc... yet people complain gas milage is not getting much better. Well duh half my car is "safety" stuff.

How about this, let darwin handle the idiots that can;t drive and if they hurt someone that does know how to increase fines and take away their license.
Less of all this "needed" safety stuff and we get better milage and also better performance.




RE: This is why gas milage...
By UppityMatt on 10/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: This is why gas milage...
By Tsuwamono on 10/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: This is why gas milage...
By walk2k on 10/8/2008 2:00:04 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, what?

Chevy Malibu Hybrid
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Automatic: : 26 mpg / 34 mpg

The Prius can get 48+ in the city...


RE: This is why gas milage...
By omnicronx on 10/8/2008 2:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Prius can get 48+ in the city...
More like 48MPG downtown city when you never go over 40km/h and you are constantly breaking. Every single roadtest I have seen where point to point travel such as going to the train station and averaging 40km/h shows it gets no more than 40MPG. That along with the fact that on the highway those numbers drop very close to those of other cars like the malibu.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By walk2k on 10/8/2008 6:12:47 PM , Rating: 2
Prius 48/45
Malibu 26/34

Where do you get the Malibu coming anywhere close to the Prius highway?

Both EPA estimates. If you assume the Prius will be lower in daily driving you have to assume the Malibu will too.

Besides that I know plenty of people that get high-40s in mixed use. The Malibu best-case is going to get mid-30s.

Sorry but they do not compare, I can't even begin to see where you think they do.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Ammohunt on 10/8/2008 2:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
Say what? I get 48-50 MPG in my prius on my daily 150 mile commute.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By jimbojimbo on 10/8/2008 3:26:23 PM , Rating: 1
You are a moron for having a 150mile commute.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By mdogs444 on 10/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: This is why gas milage...
By clovell on 10/8/2008 3:57:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully he likes them more than his time - that's at least four hours spent on the road each day. Easy on the trigger, everybody.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By mdogs444 on 10/8/2008 4:11:38 PM , Rating: 2
Its obviously worth his time or he wouldnt be doing it.

Besides, lets not worry about him driving 150 miles a day to work, even if it takes 4 hours. We should be worrying and yelling about the people who sit on their a**es for 24hrs a day as opposed to someone who goes out of his way to contribute to society and federal taxes.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By clovell on 10/9/2008 12:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not worried about him. I've done this for a couple years before, it's not necessarily something you enjoy, but something you have to do.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Ammohunt on 10/9/2008 3:33:11 PM , Rating: 3
Actually i average 65Mph so its roughly 1.5 hours one way(75 miles) And its a long story and yes to me its well worth it. Work in the city live and raise my kids in a small town of 1200 people.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By FITCamaro on 10/8/2008 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 1
I did the same thing for 9 months @sshole.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/8/2008 12:33:55 PM , Rating: 4
Well, I'm not too concerned about my driving...

I'm concerned about the soccermom in the 6,000 pound Chevy Suburban with Starbucks in hand and Jr. in the middle row t-boning my 2,850-pound hatchback in an intersection.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By omnicronx on 10/8/2008 1:21:30 PM , Rating: 3
I too have the same problem. If we didnt have these people driving these big trucks and SUV's, safety ratings would not need to be as high, which is the case in Europe.

I never understood why people think higher off the ground = safer. I have heard of many more horror stories of moms flippings their SUV's, than mom's crashing their volvos. Worst part is, SUV's don't adhere to the same safety ratings as cars. They fall under their own category between trucks and cars. A 5 star safety rating on car is much more impressive than one on an SUV.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By MrPoletski on 10/8/2008 1:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I never understood why people think higher off the ground = safer.


It gives you a better perception of depth. Whether that translates into better safety is another question.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By clovell on 10/8/2008 1:45:31 PM , Rating: 5
I never like driving behind SUVs because I can never see around them. Vision / awareness is a big factor for me when I drive. I imagine those driving in SUVs have a much nicer field of view than I do in my Taurus.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By ebakke on 10/8/2008 1:31:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I too have the same problem. If we didnt have these people driving these big trucks and SUV's, safety ratings would not need to be as high, which is the case in Europe.
UGH! The problem isn't trucks or SUVs. It's the person behind the wheel. An irresponsible person can cause enormous amounts of damage regardless of what car they drive. This is the same guns kill people vs people kill people argument. There's a person behind the machine that ultimately makes the decisions, and the machine itself isn't inherently bad.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By othercents on 10/8/2008 1:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A 5 star safety rating on car is much more impressive than one on an SUV.

Yes thats because they have to withstand an impact from an SUV.

Other


RE: This is why gas milage...
By omnicronx on 10/8/2008 2:46:06 PM , Rating: 3
If we didnt have these people driving these big trucks and SUV's, safety ratings would not need to be as high

Which is what I already said.. SUV's are pointless for most people. If you have a family, get a damn VAN. If you need to lug stuff around, get a truck.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By mdogs444 on 10/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 3:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
What happened to the Accord coupe? Must have gotten a great deal on it. Going to put a gun safe or rack in there?

I've been looking at used XC90 V8's lately as they have depreciated from 50,000 to high teens in matter of three years.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By mdogs444 on 10/8/2008 3:53:25 PM , Rating: 1
I ended up trading in the Accord. The Tahoe was at a great price - employee discount, plus several thousand off for being an 08 and because they are hard to sell, plus $1500 off with my GM MasterCard. Ended up getting it for about 16k under sticker, and that's for an LTZ with every option available.

No gun rack - not much of a hunter. But I do have my conceal & carry permit for Ohio now. I fish quite often in the summer, and it'll be nice to not have to borrow my dad's S10 4x4 to tow the little 16" bass boat around.

The XC's are nice. A buddy of mine when I lived in Chicago had an 07. If you can get one for under $20k with less than 30k miles on it, sounds like a pretty good deal.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By rudolphna on 10/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: This is why gas milage...
By mdogs444 on 10/8/2008 4:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
hear hear.

Although, I would have though the V8 had much more than 230hp. Figured in the 300+ range.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By rudolphna on 10/8/2008 5:11:46 PM , Rating: 2
Its an older model, thats why. But even so, 230 HP is PLENTY. It can push you back in your seat if you floor it from a stop. It has pretty good acceleration too. Its one of those few SUVs that you can get away with driving it like a sports car. Which I do ;)


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Bluestealth on 10/8/2008 6:18:17 PM , Rating: 2
Handle like a sports car? I can't stand how SUVs ride, it feels like a truck because it is one. Not that I refuse to drive anything else, my Civic is a piece but it still handles better than a truck.

BTW I am fine with people driving their SUVs aggressively fast as long as they aren't passing people while forcing their suspension to the edge, a 30 degree roll is not safe.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By rudolphna on 10/8/2008 7:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
lol not like that. I tend to hit the gas hard, and i speed up quicker than Beemers lol. I have an 03 expedition. It has an Independent rear suspension, and has a very car-like quality to the ride.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By TSS on 10/8/2008 12:38:32 PM , Rating: 3
the only reason why safety is a bigger priority then milage is because it sells better. in america, atleast. when you start paying 10 dollars a gallon at the pump we'll see how long that lasts. because we dutch do and i have seen about 3 SUV's drive by my entire life.

in the 70's car safety was none-existant, simply because gas guzzling muscle cars sold better, nobody cared about safety. gas prices where low so who cared about that either.

personally i'd prefer the slow and safe to the fast and furious. you can cuss about safety measures "because of those idiots" all you want, once one of those idiots crashes into your 14K car you'll be praying all that safety stuff actually works.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By SanLC504 on 10/8/2008 12:46:44 PM , Rating: 3
You're right, we need to increase fines and take away their license, cause everyone knows cars can't run unless you have a license in your pocket or purse.

Oh please, they've been doing that for years, and guess what? People drive without licenses. Shocking! Dateline did a story where they found 20 people driving away from a courthouse after having their licenses suspended/revoked in ONE DAY. One guy had the audacity to say "Well, I'll be a more cautious driver without my license."

My father and I sell Hondas, and every Honda sold today in the U.S. (aside from the S2000 roadster) has six airbags and ABS. Do you think Honda does that for the idiots? No, Honda does that for the people idiots hit. (Or accidents, for that matter.) There's a reason why the federal government mandates that cars now have at least front airbags and seat belts at all seating positions: because they save lives.

Half of your car is safety equipment because sometimes, you just can't control when someone in a 6,000 pound SUV T-Bones you or jumps out in front of you (I should know, it happened to me. My Accord suffered over $10,000 worth of damage, and I made it out with one scratch.) I'll be happy when the federal government mandates SUVs and trucks like they do cars.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 12:53:37 PM , Rating: 3
The reason why Honda will not get my money is because the Accord does not have eight airbags; as in rear side door. Is this critical (to me) feature in the works for either the Accord or Civic?

Was hoping the Accord Diesel will come sooner than later as well.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By blaster5k on 10/8/2008 1:02:40 PM , Rating: 2
Accidentally voted this down. Whoops.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Pirks on 10/8/2008 1:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
Get VW Passat 2009, it has all the eight bags including rear door bags and tons more safety features plus the best crash scores I ever seen on iihs.org. Even t-boning this car won't have people inside even slightly injured (I'm serious, check its iihs.org review).

Honda tin boxes are nowhere near it, except maybe for Accord 2009, also there's one Acura model and one SAAB model which are pretty close safety-wise. Unofortunately they all cost arm and leg, with Passat costing close to two arms and leg.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 1:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for the follow up. I purchased the 2006 Jetta TDI new in October 2006 for the fuel economy and safety (rear side airbags or the 4*4 option.)

It was between the VW and MB E320 CDI at the time. Passed on the MB because I'll take front wheel drive in the Northeast over rear anytime as the all-wheel drive is not an option on the diesels yet.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Pirks on 10/8/2008 2:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
I can't say anything about Jetta's safety, but going for TDI for fuel economy is akin to purchasing Chevy Volt - you pay insane amount upfront _hoping_ that _maybe_ your car stays alive for maybe 15 years and you may be able to recoup that initial overpayment if you maybe drive often and long enough. I'm not buying that "fuel savings" marketing crap. Any new $9995 Hyundai Accent (current promotion in Canada for 2009 models) will save you TONS of cash AND tons of gas money at the same time. But you won't get any resemblance of safety of course. Accents just never been designed to be safe. Not their turf.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 2:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
Check out the pictures of the Taurus on my flickr page - http://www.flickr.com/photos/23386028@N08/page3/

In the child's seat was my friends 2.5 year old. He is now bi-laterally paralyzed. After this accident happened, sold my car for the Jetta as it has five star side impact and rear side airbags.

But as others said, no one plans to get into an accident. Its the position of responsible parents for us to do our best (within means) to protect the children at any and all costs. The Jetta TDI was only $1000 more than the standard motor.

Had the Passat offered a diesel option, the MB CDI in AWD, or the Accord with diesel and rear side airbags would have picked them up. We drive about 30,000 miles per year so filling up the tank once a week is nice for an average of 550 miles per tank leading to about $100 fuel savings per month regardless of fuel price.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Pirks on 10/8/2008 3:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
Why did he put his toddler's car seat NOT in the middle? Why did he put it next to the side door? Is he a careless person, or does his Taurus miss middle seat belt on the back seat?

BTW do you know that children can get life-threatening injuries if they sit next to the door (like in this Taurus you mentioned) and the door's side airbag goes off? If you place your child not in the middle of the back seat - be prepared for potentially catastrophic consequences.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 3:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
There was a booster seat not visible in the picture behind the driver. The booster and child's car seat didn't well fit together with the car seat in middle, so she moved the car seat behind passenger.

Tragic mistake and accident that changed my perspective on things as well.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Pirks on 10/8/2008 3:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, sh1t happens. I'm looking at your Taurus pics and now I know what I'll be eyeing for my wife's first car next year. 2004 Saab 9-3. Used to be the first safety gold pick at iihs.org way back in 2003. In fact a first car ever to get iihs.org gold pick award. Only six airbags tho... but too cheap to pass.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By clovell on 10/8/2008 4:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
That's crazy, man - I drive an 01 Taurus/ Just throwing this out there while we're on anectdotal stuff. A guy I knew back in college had the same car as me - down to the trim and color. He tries driving home one night toasted and end up taking a hairpin onramp too fast - offroads it off the embankment and flips four times before it's over with. The guy walked away from it without a scratch.

I've heard a lot of stuff about VW's reliability lately - you know anything about that?


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Lord 666 on 10/8/2008 6:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
Our particular Jetta has been reliable. Its never stranded us, but has been in the shop for minor things and overall more than the Accord it replaced.

Here is today's Wall Street Journal review of the 2009 Jetta TDI http://www.wsj.com/article/SB122289540716195651.ht... Doesn't get into safety, but presents an honest review of a decent car/powertrain. Just hope they do the same for the Passat or Tiguan and put the TDI motor in them.

In the long run, I would rather drive a car that is safer but needs a little more trips to the shop than a death trap service-free car.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By rudolphna on 10/8/2008 6:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
well ya know... SUVs are safe. I was rear ended in my expedition by an idiot woman in a Civic, who was chatting on her phone. I was stopped at a red light, she rear ended me doing at least 45. Guess what? her car was totalled.. My truck had but a few scratches on the rear bumper. And yet you say that SUVs arent safe =P


RE: This is why gas milage...
By theoflow on 10/8/2008 1:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that weight penalties are attributed to safety features, but they also have to do with refinement and ride quality.

Luxury cars have always weighed more than mainstream cars, and there is a trickle down effect that consumers demand those sort of offerings in mainstream cars. The new generation Accord is a perfect example, and with high trim Camry's you sorta feel like your in a Lexus.

Test driving a Honda FIT compared to a Honda Civic today, almost any driver can notice the difference in road noise. Even when you open the door you can see how much more or less sound dampening rubber is used. I'm not saying that is a good or a bad thing, since I think both cars are great.

I agree that there are bad drivers on the road and need to be remember that driving is a privilege not a right, but having this sort of technology is for better rather than for worse.

I also believe that all these "new" technologies are already in the Ford parts bin coming from Volvo.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By walk2k on 10/8/2008 1:35:50 PM , Rating: 4
Sorry, wrong.

First of all, what does traction control or airbags have to do with gas mileage? Very very little.

Secondly, engine performance HAS increased dramatically in the last 20 years. Take a look at i.e. the VW Rabbit when it was first introduced - 75-85hp? Vs the Golfs and GTIs today, 160-190 hp?

It's exactly BECAUSE horsepower has increased so much that gas mileage hasn't. That and people driving ever larger and larger truck and truck variants as passenger vehicles.

I swear for a tech-blog there's a bunch of luddites here pooh-poohing every new technological advancement. You don't want this on your car, fine don't buy one. But I bet you'll be glad the soccer mom in her 8,000lb SUV has it when she's about to rear-end you.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By joeld on 10/8/2008 9:51:01 PM , Rating: 2
For the most part, I agree. You can only get so efficient, an the higher the performance, the more economy will suffer.

I think there are some models that haven't changed significantly (perhaps the entry level engine in many compacts) with regards to performance, yet gas mileage has dropped considerably because of the additional weight associated with increased safety. I think paying a little more for gas is worth it! These models are what the poster you replied to are referring to.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By FITCamaro on 10/9/2008 8:23:08 AM , Rating: 2
Airbags add weight. More weight = less mileage.

Consider that since the 80s the weight of a cars drivetrain has been reduced at least 100 pounds(due to use of aluminum) but the weight of the average vehicle has gone up 300-400 pounds at least.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Chaser on 10/8/2008 1:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
As a driver that was hit head on by an uninsured janitor driving home from a Ford Truck Plant (I might add), she turned right in front of me at a green light was I was legally going through 45 MPH. Her excuse? She was tired after work. Those "safety" devices saved my live. Everything deployed and the only thing that happened was my forehead got a knot from hitting the steering wheel. The small subcompact performed incredibly by absorbing most of the crash energy. As a result the car was totaled.

The moral here is that you're only as good as the worst driver on the road. Every time you get behind the wheel you subject or rather trust yourself to the lowest denominator and in many circumstances no amount of driving skill is going to save you.

As far as your post goes, I don't think I've read anything so stupid in a while. In this case Darwin has failed. Please have insurance.

Driving is convenient, sometimes fun but also can be dangerous. Anything the manufacturers can do to make it more safe is not a bad thing at all.


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Schrag4 on 10/8/2008 1:54:43 PM , Rating: 3
This post always seems to appear when a vehicle-safetly-related article comes up. So where do you draw the line on safety? Seatbelts have mass, you know.

Also, you may be an experienced driver, but what about when your teenager starts driving? I whole-heartedly agree that we should emphasize driver education to reduce accidents, but accidents will happen. Are you saying anyone who gets in an accident deserves to die? (darwin reference)

I'm not saying I necessarily like this particular feature. I agree with another post here that suggests that people will simply ignore the tone if it goes off all the time. All I'm saying is that safety IS important. How about if every auto manufacturer offered a coffin-on-wheels for you to drive and the regular gas-guzzler for me to drive. Would that be ok?


RE: This is why gas milage...
By 7Enigma on 10/9/2008 12:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm...what is the gas mileage of this coffin-on-wheels?


RE: This is why gas milage...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/8/2008 6:23:56 PM , Rating: 1
Why did this guy get a negative one ???

He brought up a huge fact. My 1994 4 door Protege has LESS curb weight than a 2008 MIATA ! Gee, I wonder why...


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