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AMD Shanghai hopes to erase bad memories of Barcelona

AMD has proven to be a tough opponent for Intel in the server processor marketplace. AMD said that its latest architecture dubbed Shanghai is now ready to go. Shanghai parts are quad-core processors that are targeted at the server market.

Shanghai is also AMD's first 45-nanometer processor. AMD's last big architecture aimed at the server marketplace was the Barcelona processor that ran into significant problems in the market. One of the biggest issues with Barcelona was that the processors were delayed for eight months after their introduction.

Once the processors were finally shipped and available, AMD had issues with the performance of the parts and the CPUs suffered from other glitches. AMD promises that Shanghai will not be another Barcelona.

Pat Patla, AMD server and workstation business general manager, told CNET News, "We had some mis-starts in getting Barcelona to market and wanted to bring as much velocity to Shanghai as possible. Learn from our mistakes and, as a company, never do that again."

To help ensure that Shanghai succeeds and offer users a better experience than Barcelona, AMD put one engineer in charge of the entire Shanghai project. Patla continued saying, "the product that we put in the hands of our partners is going to be of substantial stability so they can do lots of early validation."

To improve the performance of Shanghai over Barcelona, AMD is counting on several factors. First is the move from the 65nm process of Barcelona to the 45nm process used in Shanghai. This will allow for more efficiency and better performance than Barcelona.

AMD is also moving the cache memory from 2MB to 6MB to improve performance and it says that instructions per clock cycle will be increased as well. Shanghai will also utilize AMD's HyperTransport 3, which AMD expects to be validated in Q1 2009. A 45nm desktop Shanghai part will be offered in Q1 2009 according to CNET News.



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RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By DeepBlue1975 on 9/30/2008 12:24:41 PM , Rating: 3
I hope they get again in the performance arena.
I have an all Intel setup right now, but for my next platform I'd like to have a real choice if I care mostly about raw CPU performance, which I need as my most often utilization is converting videos between formats, sometimes several streams at a time.

Come on AMD, you did it once, you can pull it again.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By amanojaku on 9/30/2008 1:05:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
which I need as my most often utilization is converting videos between formats, sometimes several streams at a time.


Damn pirates! Quit ripping DVDs!!! ;-) You do know that Shanghai is a server processor? A lot of people confuse their video encoding workstations with servers. Shanghai is socket F, so it won't work in an AM2 or AM3 socket.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By ebakke on 9/30/2008 1:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
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A 45nm desktop Shanghai part will be offered in Q1 2009 according to CNET News.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By amanojaku on 9/30/2008 1:30:45 PM , Rating: 3
Shane got that wrong; the desktop processor is Deneb, not Shanghai. According to the CNET article posted in this article:

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Shanghai will be followed by a 45-nanometer desktop processor code-named Deneb, which is due to launch in the fourth quarter of this year or first quarter of 2009, AMD said.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By ebakke on 9/30/2008 3:24:15 PM , Rating: 2
:(


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By kkwst2 on 10/1/2008 12:26:33 AM , Rating: 2
Why the frown? You don't like the name? It's still a 45nm desktop part launching in early 09. I'm guessing it will be a similar architecture to Shanghai, though I haven't seen details.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Visual on 10/1/2008 5:13:42 AM , Rating: 2
exactly, still the 6mb cache too.
it is the same really, but in am2+

i wonder if we will see a new socket soon, tri-channel, ddr3, etc?
as things are now intel has a bandwidth advantage because of these factors...

why can't amd even one-up intel and give us a quad-channel version?
alternatively if they leave it dual-channel, revive the old dualsocket variants for use on the desktop.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By rudolphna on 10/4/2008 10:15:24 AM , Rating: 2
because 4-6 memory slots is the most efficient, and it would probably be quite expensive to implement. Not to mention, you would need 4 matched DIMMs for quad channel


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By ebakke on 10/1/2008 9:01:16 AM , Rating: 2
Frown because I didn't read the article's linked article.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By frobizzle on 10/2/2008 8:39:17 AM , Rating: 2
As Batman's nemesis would say, "Why so serious?"


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By afkrotch on 9/30/2008 3:26:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Damn pirates! Quit ripping DVDs!!! ;-) You do know that Shanghai is a server processor? A lot of people confuse their video encoding workstations with servers. Shanghai is socket F, so it won't work in an AM2 or AM3 socket.


Here's an idea. Servers and Desktop processors share the same architecture. It's amazing, but true. Just that the server variants tend to carry a little more baggage for multiple processor systems.

Also workstations tend to use server procs. Our Dell Precision 490 workstations (at work) use dual Xeons.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/30/2008 1:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
My sources at AMD indicate that Shanghai won't be competing much against Nehalem, but rather primarily Harpertown and Dunnington (Penryn gen 4/6 core processors). Take this as you will.

Unfortunately for AMD, these comments seem to indicate that the performance gap between Nehalem and Shanghai will be sizable. The initial benchmarks for Nehalem are formidable, to say the least.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Regs on 9/30/2008 2:21:19 PM , Rating: 1
As expected. I didn't have high hopes with it competition with NEHHHHHHHHALEM. Did they really say it was ready to "Rock"? It's not like AMD to bolster their own product. They're more like "well, ..., here it is". "Any questions? Sorry, can't answer that".


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By therealnickdanger on 9/30/2008 2:53:45 PM , Rating: 2
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won't be competing much against Nehalem, but rather primarily Harpertown and Dunnington

That's definitely true - at least during the 3-month launch window. Nehalem appears to be quite a monster - if we are to believe early, un-optimized benchmarks (I'm inclined to believe Anand). That will trickle to the server space relatively quick - especially if Shanghai applies enough pressure.

I'm very pleased with my current Intel platforms and soon-to-be-built Intel platform, but I would certainly welcome some aggressive competition from AMD, outside of the GPU market, that is...


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By rudolphna on 9/30/2008 3:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
I agree there. What I dont however, agree with is how people diss the K8 and K10. While not as fast as The C2D, they are definetly no slouches. Im considering either the Intel E5200 or AMD Athlon +5400 for my gaming pc. Im leaning toward AMD with the ATi 4670, on a AMD 770 platform. AMD needs a boost, and its a huge improvement one way or another over my Pentium 4 630


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By therealnickdanger on 9/30/2008 4:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't like having multiple computers on different platforms, as weird as that sounds. I kind of go with platform generations when purchasing without mixing and matching for a number of years at a time:

Socket 5 with early Pentiums
Socket 7 with K6-2s
Slot A for Athlon!
Socket 478 with Netburst (meh, wish I had held out for Socket 775 or Socket 939)
Almost went Socket AM2, but waited for Conroe on Socket 775 (kickass)

So now I'm waiting on Socket 1156 (Nehalem) and to see what AMD can do with Socket AM3...


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/30/2008 4:23:36 PM , Rating: 2
Socket 1366 Nehalem would be a better bet, also comes with the tripple channel memory (6-Dimm's)


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Alexvrb on 9/30/2008 10:17:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, cause I want to have to start buying three-packs of matched DIMMs. :P

It won't matter to most people, of course. But for some enthusiasts who want the most out of their memory, that's where its at. Either that or you chance it and just get individual DIMMs, maybe buy sticks that overshoot your original goal.


By therealnickdanger on 10/1/2008 7:44:26 AM , Rating: 2
Oops, my bad: 1366, not 1156.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Noya on 9/30/2008 4:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
Why not just go e7200 and a P45 and 4gb DDR2? Shop around and you can get all for about $200, and the e7200 will do 3.16ghz with a single BIOS change on the stock heatsink.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By rudolphna on 9/30/2008 6:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
Im on a very strict budget. Right now, Ive got on my liste, the AMD +5400X2, 2GB of ADATA DDR2-800, an Antec 300 case, and an ASUS M3A78 AMD770 board, and ASUS HD4670. That comes in at under $400. and im gonna keep my Kingwin 450w PSU, 250GB WD SATA HDD, and Windows XP. Not too bad I think.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By TETRONG on 10/1/2008 2:07:57 PM , Rating: 1
Did your sources at Anandtech inform you that Nehalem is lacking in the cache department?


By DeepBlue1975 on 10/2/2008 8:53:12 AM , Rating: 3
That's a pitty.

But if Shangai desktop can attain a performance significantly better than a 3hz C2Q, while costing the same or less than an equally powerful Nehalem, I would consider it, provided it can overclock well.
I'm among those guys who won't buy the fastest version of any CPU, but a mid-low end bin to overclock it as far as it goes on air refrigerated setups for the sake of getting the most bang for the buck.


RE: Just in time for Nehalem...
By Smiting Eye on 10/2/2008 11:32:29 AM , Rating: 2
I'm just glad to see they're making good advancements with Ruiz gone. I have a feeling some of the flubs at AMD were staff workers and management letting things slide through on purpose to make Ruiz look bad and get him out. Anyway, this looks good for them atm.


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