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Problems continue for the hot new phone; Apple locks down angry users' threads

The iPhone 3G was supposed to be Apple's latest media darling, the successor to the device Time magazine called the "invention of the year".  In some effects the iPhone 3G has achieved this mercurial success -- but perhaps in sales only.  It quickly sold 1 million phones and oodles of applications and has cruised comfortably to sales of 3 million phones worldwide.

However, problems have prevented ever since launch.  The launch was muddled by problems connecting to Apple's servers.  Then there were reports that the new iPhone's plastic casing, part of the price cutting measures that had slashed the iPhone's price from $399 to $199, was defective and cracking.

Now more tough news has come for Apple with reports that the iPhone 3G is committing the cardinal sin of cell phones -- being unable to make a good connection consistently in covered areas.  The Apple message boards are ablaze with angry users complaining of dropped calls or poor call quality even with relatively good signal strength.

One user, Mr. Yarbrough, a 34-year-old accountant, describes, "I was driving down Folsom Street in San Francisco, and I got a dropped call 10 times. I get dropped calls just standing in one place.  I'm extremely annoyed, but I'm hopeful a software update will fix it."

It is unclear exactly how widespread the problem is as the message boards are a poor way to ascertain levels of failure.  The main thread on the Apple boards had 746 comments, when it was locked by Apple, allegedly because it, "was too long and some browsers were timing out."  Further adding to the difficulty of coming to any such metrics is the fact that Apple is denying that anything out of the ordinary is going on

AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel states, "How a device performs in individual situations depends on circumstances like where you are in the 3G coverage, how close you are to a cell site. Things like terrain and buildings all come into play.  I'm not denying that people are having a less than satisfactory experience, but overall, the phone is doing great."

So what exactly is causing the problems?  Some users say that the problem is with faulty SIM cards.  They say after replacing the card their quality improved and problems disappeared.  However, one analyst, Richard Windsor of Nomura, is entirely convinced that the Infineon chipset on the phone is the source of the problems.  He says the dropped calls, service interruptions, and abrupt network switches resemble problems that phones with Infineon-based 3G chips had when first launching in Europe.

He writes, "We believe that these issues are typical of an immature chipset and radio protocol stack where we are almost certain that Infineon is the 3G supplier.  This is not surprising as the Infineon 3G chipset solution has never really been tested in the hands of users. Some people will not experience these problems as it is only in areas where the radio signal weakens that the immaturity of the stack really shows."

He says that no firmware update will fix the flawed phones.  However, he adds the problems may be limited to a specific batch of phones or certain build of the phone.  Who is to blame?  Mr. Nomura says to blame Apple.  He says, "this shows the risk of not going with a tried and tested solution."

Infineon says it’s looking into whether Mr. Nomura's comments on the chipset never before seeing deployment was true.

In the meantime problems continue to pile on from around the world.  T-Mobile Netherlands, frustrated by similar connection issues, has issued a statement acknowledging that problems exist and blaming its partner Apple for them.  The company posted a blog in Dutch, which crudely translates to, "The 3G coverage of T-Mobile is as good as the competition, there can therefore not lie (sic). We suspect that it is a hardware / software specific issue of the iPhone itself."

It appears that T-Mobile is currently the only partner to have acknowledged the problems. 



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RE: 3G Issue
By 306maxi on 8/13/2008 10:27:41 AM , Rating: 3
You don't get it! Now with the 3g phone you can act snobby and pretentious towards users of other brands of phone as well as non-3G iPhone users.

I've had my N95 for over a year now. I don't get the big deal with a phone that has features others have had for years.


RE: 3G Issue
By FITCamaro on 8/13/2008 10:42:43 AM , Rating: 5
They didn't have an Apple logo on them. Therefore they're inferior.


RE: 3G Issue
By gyranthir on 8/13/2008 11:12:52 AM , Rating: 3
Apple Snobbery is a lot like Hybrid Vehicle Snobbery.

Reminds me of the Southpark Hybrid Vehicle Episode, haha.


RE: 3G Issue
By Dark Legion on 8/14/2008 6:32:49 AM , Rating: 2
And when the cloud of smug from iPhone 3G users hits the cloud of smug from hybrid owners, it will be the end of all life as we know it.


RE: 3G Issue
By corduroygt on 8/13/2008 12:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you there...My N95 8GB is better than the iphone in every aspect besides screen size and resolution. I'd buy if Nokia made an iphone like device, because Apple treats their customers the same way China treats their citizens.


RE: 3G Issue
By robinthakur on 8/14/2008 5:31:39 AM , Rating: 2
The iPhone looks better (It doesn't look an old fashioned Nokia/SE phone) and is easier to use than the N95 whilst being a similar price. The features which it lacks versus my old N95 are not as important to me because a) I never really made proper use of them and b) iPhone gets way more attention.

Since then I've had 2 iPhone 2G's and 1 3G and wouldn't go back to Nokia despite a vague interest in the N96. It just looks a bit clunky and antiquated, regardless of the tech under the plastic shell.

I think the China comment is a little OTT. Repeat after me "It is only a phone!" Its telling that everybody is racing to copy and catch up to Apple's software, but also a bit sad from a giant like Nokia, who should be leading the market, and not following Apple's coat-tails.


RE: 3G Issue
By corduroygt on 8/14/2008 10:01:08 AM , Rating: 2
Easier to use can be debated, I find my N95 very easy to use and I can text with one hand. I tried typing on the iphone and it's pretty hard without concentrating, but that's just my blunt fingers not good enough for the ultra elite Apple.

You may not need the features but me and many people do, I also pay $15/month for the same data plan you're paying $30/month, and that's before my 25% corporate discount. With the N95 I don't need a digital camera when I go out and may need to take casual photos or video. You can't say the same about the iphone's camera.

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b) iPhone gets way more attention.

So you buy a phone to get attention? Fail.

Apple is exactly like china, they want to control you. Nokia cannot disable an application I install on my N95, but Apple sure can. I also don't have to download my apps from a single store.

By the way, there's a fire in Apple HQ today. Must be a caused by a macbook battery.


RE: 3G Issue
By Chocobollz on 8/14/2008 4:31:08 PM , Rating: 2
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and I can text with one hand.

I think anyone could do texting with one hand, but can you do it faster than I do on my Siemens? ;-) Siemens is the best phones for texting, I've used several phones from Siemens, Nokia, and Sony-Ericsson and there's no one could beat my Siemens on texting-speed! :-)

And I think most of Nokia are bad jokes, a couple friend of mine have some Nokia N9x and I'm always laughing when I see their phones, I don't know about you but I think Nokia have the worst build quality, especially the casing. And their style are just boring. From long time, Nokia is my last options when I've plans to buy a cellphones ~_~.


RE: 3G Issue
By robinthakur on 8/15/2008 10:04:24 AM , Rating: 3
I can also text with one hand. The iPhone keyboard does indeed take some getting used to but once you are used to it, its fast and the word correction is pretty accurate. Or maybe you simply have fat fingers, in which case the iPhone is not for you.

I do take many pictures with the iPhones camera and upload them geotagged to Facebook et al. It serves its purpose and I've never had any complaints about the shots it takes (in daylight lol) If I want to take serious photos I just use my DSLRs or my point and shoot. I notice you don't mention the music playback? Its a pretty crucial feature and it pisses all over the N95's equivalent facility from a great height.

The cost of the phones is inconsequential to me, I just want a phone I can use without inconvenience and which doesn't muck up the line of my suit. I'll get an N956 when it comes out to see what they're like but I seriously doubt it will suit me better than the iPhone. The iPhone is not a value range aimed at people on a budget, get over it.

The iPhone whether you like it or not looks considerably better than the brick-like N95, and just because you seem not to care, this is not going to be representative of everybody. The attention that the iPhone brings is not always good attention (i.e. people wanting to steal it) but its a small bonus and the fact that its always a talking point is no bad thing in my books. I care about the way my phone looks just as much as the features and the N95 was brick like and antiquated. It was very obvious that it was a 'computer' as Nokia like to refer to it and if I wanted a long spec-sheet with zero usability in my pocket I'd just carry a HTC phone again, but the world has moved on.

Lastly the Apps store on iPhone is so many leagues beyond how things operate on the N95 there's no point arguing with you on it. Anyone who's used both would agree that the way in which its integrated with the iPhone is second to none and the range of software will only increase in time. The fact that you get them all from one source is a good thing to me.


RE: 3G Issue
By Procurion on 8/14/2008 10:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
Let me get this straight.....You've bought THREE iPhones in about a year and your two reasons for buying them (at $400+/- per)is because you like the attention people pay to your phone and you don't use all of the features. But you make a smart alec comment about it only being a phone? And you mention your "old" N95 (released in March/2007) as being clunky. By my count you have spent a MINIMUM of $1600 in less than 1.5 years....."it is only a phone!!".


RE: 3G Issue
By Chocobollz on 8/14/2008 4:37:26 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, when he says that his N95 were "clunky", I think he's serious, because I feel it too.. Honestly, I think most Nokia phones are "clunky". And I don't have an iPhone.


RE: 3G Issue
By robinthakur on 8/15/2008 9:46:44 AM , Rating: 2
No. I think you have thinks ass about face. I bought the first two from the US due to your weak dollar and rosold them after getting to know them for a large profit in the UK. Then I got a 3G on contract. I've still not paid anything for the iPhone as I'm still on the profits. Not as stupid as you might think ;)


RE: 3G Issue
By robinthakur on 8/15/2008 10:18:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
By my count you have spent a MINIMUM of $1600 in less than 1.5 years


You say it like its a bad thing? At least I'm keeping this economy moving, dammit! :) They are only phones and it is only money at the end of the day. I said that I didn't use all the features of the N95, I would say I use the features of the iPhone pretty well by comparison because they are easier to access. I actually had an original 'plum' N95 and then I have a 8GB black one also. As mentioned above, I like to have a phone I'm comfortable with, and the iPhone actually sailed rather close to the wind the other day when i upgraded the firmware to 2.0.1 and it got stuck in a loop. Watch yourself iphone 3G, there's always a younger model out there ;)


RE: 3G Issue
By plinkplonk on 8/16/2008 8:07:34 AM , Rating: 2
right so what you're saying is that you care more for how it looks and how cool you look using it rather than how it works?


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