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Cuil Search Returns Page  (Source: DailyTech)
Cuil is pronounced like "cool"

This year marks ten years since search giant Google sprang from the shadows and quickly began to dominate the web search landscape. The search landscape ten years ago was a much different place than it is today and the search engines that were big at the time are mostly nothing but memories now.

In 1998, Alta Vista was the largest search engine according to CNN. Today, Alta Vista is a mere ghost of its former self. Google is currently in its prime and is by far the largest search engine in terms of usage. CNN says that Google holds a full 62% of the U.S. search market, dominating the top spot. A distant second place with 21% of the search market is Yahoo and bringing up a very distant third place is Microsoft with 8.5% of the search market.

Google is dominant in search and online advertising right now, but it has begun to lose some of its luster to early employees. Google has recently begun to lose key engineers and executives to other internet firms like Facebook.

CNN reports that Anna Patterson joined Google in 2004 when Google purchased a search engine that she had built to upgrade its own technology. Patterson has now left Google to start her own new search engine called Cuil-- pronounced like the word "cool." Cuil began processing its first requests today.

Patterson says that the technology behind the scenes at Cuil is much more efficient and comprehensive than the technology Google uses. Patterson says that Cuil's web index has 120 billion web pages in its index. Patterson believes that to be three times the size of Google's index according to CNN.

The exact number of pages in Google's index is unknown, last time Google reported the size of its index it held 8.2 billion pages. That number was from three years ago and a safe assumption would put the size of Google's index more than that amount today. CNN reports that Google posted a blog Friday saying it routinely scans 1 trillion web links. Not all of those links make the cut and end up in Google search results though.

The Cuil search engine looks different visually and displays search results differently than Google. The main search page is very clean and has nothing but a search box and a number showing the amount of pages in its index along with links to privacy and about pages.

The search results themselves are not provided in the familiar list of links format seen on Google and other search engines. Cuil search results are arranged in a column layout with more text and images attached to the returns.

Today, search results from Cuil provide many listings, but many of the images attached to the search returns are nothing but the familiar "X" placeholder when an image is missing. The other images attached to search returns often have nothing to do with the text of the search results or the search query originally entered.

Cuil is currently backed by $33 million in venture capital and its chances of challenging Google are slim according to Allen Weiner, an analyst for Gartner. Weiner told CNN, " Search has become as much about branding as anything else. I doubt [Cuil] will be keeping anyone at Google awake at night."



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Good luck, but...
By Motoman on 7/28/2008 2:12:25 PM , Rating: 2
...I'm not sure the world needs another search engine. I use Webcrawler the most anyway, and it is basically an aggregator of all the other search engines - Culi might wind up in there and I wouldn't even notice.

However, I went to Culi and did a search...came up with a ridiculous amount of utter crap. Needs a bit of tweaking methinks...




RE: Good luck, but...
By FITCamaro on 7/28/2008 2:22:43 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah I did a search for something simple. "Patriot Missile System". The results seemed relevant but it was missing a lot of popular information sites in the first several pages. Wikipedia, howstuffworks, and others. Google's results were a lot better. Quantity over quality is not a good way to go. A lesson most Americans will hopefully someday remember....


RE: Good luck, but...
By rdeegvainl on 7/28/2008 2:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, i tried your exact same search and got NO results.


RE: Good luck, but...
By rdeegvainl on 7/28/2008 2:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
though i did get some results when i put it in quotes


RE: Good luck, but...
By Gul Westfale on 7/28/2008 2:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
i typed in "gulwestfale" expecting to find my website but it showed me forum postings on DT instead... how weird. don't they filter their results by relevance?


RE: Good luck, but...
By othercents on 7/28/2008 3:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
I went to cuil just to get a page saying "Due to overwhelming interest, our Cuil servers are running a bit hot right now. The search engine is momentarily unavailable as we add more capacity."

Other


RE: Good luck, but...
By xeddit on 7/28/2008 3:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
While it's great to have other options to search, but if basic searches result in zero matches, especially for cuil then I have a serious problem with this engine. It sucks when it can't even recognize your own site...

Perhaps I'll try again in a week.


RE: Good luck, but...
By wordsworm on 7/28/2008 6:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
I cooled 'karakuri' and got results. I liked the fact that it gave a number of categories to choose from in addition to its list. I will have to give their way of displaying the information a bit of time to sink in to figure out if I like it or not. One big downside, however, is the lack of stumble input. I really like how Stumble Upon will help me guess which pages will be best. This doesn't exist on either Yahoo or Karakuri. Also, the advanced controls on cuil sucked worse than either Yahoo or Google. Somehow I can't see either threatened by Cuil.


RE: Good luck, but...
By geddarkstorm on 7/28/2008 5:40:54 PM , Rating: 2
I got results, and they were pretty relevant. I wonder how much of this "no results" problem is due to their server overload, or they are tweaking things /really/ fast.


RE: Good luck, but...
By DM0407 on 7/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Good luck, but...
By Leirith on 7/28/2008 10:16:44 PM , Rating: 2
I just got no results due to server load. Search engines need to be reliable. I'm not going to sit there and retry over and over again when I could just use Google. Maybe I'll try again after they do a bit more work on it and increase the capacity.


RE: Good luck, but...
By akugami on 7/28/2008 3:21:49 PM , Rating: 2
Amen to that. I think the number one problem with today's search engines are the immense number of irrelevant links. Sometimes I have to dig through to the 15 to 25th page to find what I need. I usually don't go past that number.

One thing that helps is that using a browser with tabs I will run multiple similar searches and jump back and forth to see what brings up the most relevant searches between them and then refine my search from that. Bottom line is that today's web searches are mostly hit and miss. More miss than hit though.


RE: Good luck, but...
By chmilz on 7/28/2008 6:48:37 PM , Rating: 2
I searched for the city I live in, Edmonton, the capital of the Alberta, Canada, and the first page did not include a hit for the city's website, which Google listed first, as one would expect.


RE: Good luck, but...
By TennesseeTony on 7/28/2008 4:58:00 PM , Rating: 2
Bob the Builder worked fine. ;)


RE: Good luck, but...
By TennesseeTony on 7/28/2008 6:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, "fbi_eyes" doesn't return the same results as Google. Try me in ...er, I mean try it, in google.

Btw, servers are not overloaded, they just don't have any information on the subject, why else would so many searches WORK when the new Radeon cards consistently do NOT show up?


RE: Good luck, but...
By TennesseeTony on 7/28/2008 6:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
WOW. Now they have results. Making me look stupid, just like my mirror does.


RE: Good luck, but...
By mixpix on 7/28/2008 9:23:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I bet if you tried to search www.culi.com it would come up with crap. You might want to try www.cuil.com


RE: Good luck, but...
By Motoman on 7/28/2008 9:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, sorry...apparently my keyboard was malfunctioning at the time ;)


Slow...
By kmmatney on 7/28/2008 2:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
Tried it out - very slow, and the search results are not as good as Google or Live search. it's sort of nice how they attempt to put a picture wit teh search results, but the picture often doesn't have anything to do with what you are searching for. A quite a few searches a did pulled up no results at all, while Google and Live search had plenty of results. Needs some work - I'll pass on this one for now.




RE: Slow...
By kmmatney on 7/28/2008 2:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
Case in point - I just tried to search for "HD4870 Review". It came up with no hits!


RE: Slow...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/28/2008 2:52:34 PM , Rating: 2
Out of curiousity, I tried the same and got no results.

So I tried just "HD4870". No results either.

"HD 4870" (with embedded space). No results.

"4870". No results as well.

Site needs some work, methings.


RE: Slow...
By stephenfs on 7/28/2008 3:06:29 PM , Rating: 2
I tried searching on Oblivion, expecting game results, but got no results instead. Probably my last try for this search engine.


RE: Slow...
By chris2618 on 7/29/2008 4:20:38 AM , Rating: 2
Just typed HD 4870 in and got results for the card


RE: Slow...
By Bo on 7/29/2008 4:52:26 AM , Rating: 2
I get no results with "HD4870" either.
However, "HD 4870" give me lots of results .
Maybe it is just that the servers are getting too many search requests?


RE: Slow...
By Screwballl on 7/28/2008 2:53:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it was a bit slow but as optimization comes along I suspect it will speed up.
I prefer the results from this one over several of the others (Google, Yahoo, Webcrawler) which lumped results that were "result abusers" in with the rest.


RE: Slow...
By Ammohunt on 7/28/2008 3:28:21 PM , Rating: 3
Its slow becasue AP printed a storry about them. God and everyone is using it right now...

We’ll be back soon...
Due to overwhelming interest, our Cuil servers are running a bit hot right now. The search engine is momentarily unavailable as we add more capacity.

Thanks for your patience.


I personally like the format i know that once companies grow beyond a certain size they fail to be consider new ideas new approaches and get too bureaucratic. Google is rife with the Signs of this happening to it. If they don't want to listen to new methods ideas. people leave and create competetion hooray for the free market. I hope cuil becomes a player.


RE: Slow...
By DASQ on 7/28/2008 4:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah it gave me a message about servers being overloaded.

I'll use it if it's better than Google. But that's a bit of a tall order in itself.


RE: Slow...
By Ratinator on 7/28/2008 3:53:34 PM , Rating: 2
Stop searching for porn. The filter probably got you on that one. :-)

All kidding aside, I would be curious if their safe search filter under preferences is catching some stuff. Turn it off and see if that improves your results.


RE: Slow...
By Chocobollz on 7/29/2008 3:25:05 AM , Rating: 2
Well, for me myself, if there's a search engine which makes searches exclusively on p0rn, I will rate them up till they've become the world's #1 p0rn search engine! ;-)

Just my 2 cents.. *cough*


And it has a...
By UppityMatt on 7/28/2008 3:27:00 PM , Rating: 1
Stupid Name.




RE: And it has a...
By 3kliksphilip on 7/28/2008 3:39:59 PM , Rating: 3
I wouldn't say that Google was much better... though I use it so much it has 'become' normal.


RE: And it has a...
By Chocobollz on 7/29/2008 3:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, true.. and "cuil" in Indonesian means "a chunk" or "chipping" something.. Why don't she thinks about some better names before making it online.. Well, I don't think it will get much attentions anyway :-]


RE: And it has a...
By DASQ on 7/29/2008 10:28:59 AM , Rating: 2
Chip off the old block? :)


RE: And it has a...
By Amiga500 on 7/29/2008 4:25:57 AM , Rating: 2
Why?

Because it is a different language?


No results?
By Spivonious on 7/28/2008 2:33:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We didn’t find any results for “beethoven fifth symphony”


Not looking too good...




RE: No results?
By danzig on 7/28/2008 2:48:47 PM , Rating: 2
Same type thing here , irrelevant results - if any at all were given to several searches I tried to perform.


RE: No results?
By geddarkstorm on 7/28/2008 5:39:32 PM , Rating: 2
They must have changed something as it comes back with results for that string now, with wikipedia being the first hit.


RE: No results?
By Bo on 7/29/2008 5:02:42 AM , Rating: 2
Same thing here.
60,815 hits and wikipedia at the top.


oops
By wwwebsurfer on 7/28/2008 2:50:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.


That's all I see...




RE: oops
By Soodey on 7/28/2008 2:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. I got an error message first saying that they we're getting too much traffic and were down temporarily. Now firefox just yells at me.

Definitely going to use this.


RE: oops
By Screwballl on 7/28/2008 2:54:50 PM , Rating: 2
We’ll be back soon...

Due to overwhelming interest, our Cuil servers are running a bit hot right now. The search engine is momentarily unavailable as we add more capacity.

Thanks for your patience.


Needs some fixin'
By SlipDizzy on 7/28/2008 2:17:47 PM , Rating: 2
I went to the site earlier this morning when I heard about the employees creating their own site. I did a few searches and I'm just not feeling this search engine. I like how they are keeping it simple, yet trying to be a bit different and add some color. I don't like my results going across the screen horizontally with paragraphs of info for each item returned.

I don't think this will be a Google killer, but I think it will suck a few people in. AskJeeves did it, so with their brains I assume they can do it too.




RE: Needs some fixin'
By Cheapshot on 7/28/2008 2:31:12 PM , Rating: 1
I just did a search on LEED over at cuil and I got a "Could not find what you are looking for" page.

So I did another search on an National organization I am a member of and again... No results found.

Good going Cuil!


RE: Needs some fixin'
By rudy on 7/28/2008 2:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter she got 33 million to work with this is the game of start ups. Start up something get a nice news spot and then someone comes and buys you out for 200 million on speculation. Make alot more money then you did working for any big company. You dont care if it fails cause you got your cash at the very least in the form of the fat CEO check you cut yourself.


Google Cuil.com
By Mitch101 on 7/28/2008 3:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
I went to Cuil.com and put in Google.com = 37,743,496 results for google.com

Then I went to Google.com and put in Cuil.com = Results 1 - 10 of about 8,900 for cuil.com. (0.13 seconds)

If you site search Cuil.com on Google there are only 10 pages indexed.

Its just one of those geeky things to do.




RE: Google Cuil.com
By SlipDizzy on 7/28/2008 5:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
I went to google.com and searched for google and found a ton of links pointing back to different parts of google such as google maps, images.... etc. Then I went to Cuil.com and searched for Cuil and didn't find anything pointing to Cuil.... Hmmm...


RE: Google Cuil.com
By ggordonliddy on 7/28/2008 6:23:03 PM , Rating: 1
You actually have Google set to only show 10 results per page? Are you insane?!


Underwhelming
By ZachDontScare on 7/28/2008 5:25:36 PM , Rating: 3
Meh.

I like the idea of google having some new competition. But I dont know if this will be it. I really dislike the way they display results in multiple columns. That might be good for little timmy searching for information on the latest xbox game, but is an awful way of presenting results when searching for something technical where you expect to have to page through hundreds of hits.




RE: Underwhelming
By Icelight on 7/29/2008 1:14:26 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, the multi-column layout is horrible. Yeah, maybe one could get used to it...but if the better alternative already exists, and has existed for years, I don't see the point.


Launch problems...
By meewok on 7/28/2008 2:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like their system architecture doesn't lend itself to failure very well: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10000670-2.htm...

According to the article, they have different servers that manage indexes for specific search categories and when one of these goes down, the results get wonky.

Considering they don't have billions of dollars to throw at hardware, hopefully they can resolve this.




RE: Launch problems...
By meewok on 7/28/2008 2:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
BTW, this was the top result when searching for "cuil" on google. Funny.


You gotta be kidding me...
By Yaron on 7/28/2008 2:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
I typed in www.cuil.com and this is what I got:

"We’ll be back soon...

Due to overwhelming interest, our Cuil servers are running a bit hot right now. The search engine is momentarily unavailable as we add more capacity.

Thanks for your patience."

Hehee, nice start guys :D




RE: You gotta be kidding me...
By cmdrdredd on 7/28/2008 4:48:36 PM , Rating: 2
Cuil is a waste IMO. I tried a search and got 18 results on 2 pages. One of which was irrelevant. Google turned up 10 pages and every one of them had at least something to do with my search. I searched for "HDTV Bitrates".


Kinda artsy looking
By PWNettle on 7/28/2008 4:33:30 PM , Rating: 2
The look of this site might appeal to a certain segment of the population that likes a certain type of PC and MP3 player...

If it ever works. The 10 of you trying to check it out better stop - you're causing me to not be able to try it since they don't have the capacity.

I dunno. I think google is successful because it's fast, almost always finds good matches if they exist, and has a simple layout. For me, in these days of multi-media overloaded pages and sites, the ultra simple google layout rocks.




RE: Kinda artsy looking
By Lugaidster on 7/28/2008 5:10:01 PM , Rating: 2
There's no friggin' way I'll pronounce cuil like "cool". To me it's more of a mix between "coil" and "cool", something like "cooil"...

Returning to topic. Searching for "p5q deluxe reviews" throws nothing. The site looks "cuil" but it isn't working as I would expect it would. We'll just have to wait and see.


I have a positive take on the site
By aftlizard on 7/28/2008 7:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
I actually like it. It started off rough this morning and it seems it is still having rough spots, but for me every search has given me back relevant results. There is the estra benefit I really like of it indexing categories for easy searching, I think only of subjects that have a certain amount of hits though. For instance I cuiled my hometown of Dodge City which came back with 3+ million hits that included the subcategory index. I think they under planned for interest in their site especially since it got promoted on sites like the Drudgereport which can at times crash the unprepared.




By aftlizard on 7/28/2008 7:40:59 PM , Rating: 2
estra=extra, sheesh.


Google at First
By chris2618 on 7/29/2008 4:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
Doesn't anyone remember google being rubbish. At the beginning you had to think of different ways of saying the same thing and then you went to half the search engines on the web to try and find it.

Another point would be has anyone else noticed if on google that your first page of results can be other search engines, ebay and forums

Also i would ignore a few people here as i find when you are search for something you try to help the search engine by typing in more information.
i.e when looking for a video card type the make and number in




RE: Google at First
By nycromes on 7/29/2008 9:24:05 AM , Rating: 2
I remember those days. I have to say that this is going to be a great flavor of search for some and it will leave a sour taste in other people's mouths. Search results organized in this way will be an adjustment, somethign that will take getting used to but it could end up being very valuable. That being said, I am getting tons of duplicate/triplicate/etc search results. At this point, thats my only real complaint about the search engine (excluding high traffic causing outages/slow searches as this is not a feature of this product, just a side effect of launch).

Its still young and needs some more development. Overall, not a bad place to start at. I can't wait to see where this is in 8-10 months.


Search engine brand?
By meewok on 7/28/2008 2:22:58 PM , Rating: 3
I disagree with the analyst's assessment about search engines being hugely about branding. It's more about effectiveness of the results. When I search for something, I want my results to be clear, unadulterated results that lead me to what I'm looking for quickly. I do feel that search engine eyes are fickle (including my own). Notice how quickly google jumped ahead of the competition ten years ago.

Google started off this way, but it has quickly become a jungle of links and sponsored links and I believe it's just a victim of it's own success. Being the big search engine, there are tons of "search engine optimization" routines that try to increase a certain site's ranking. As good as they've been til now, I've noticed the effectiveness of my searches has been declining as I've needed to visit more results in order to find exactly what I'm looking for.

I just tried Cuil and while I like the clean interface, the results haven't been "effective" (I haven't been able to easily find what I'm looking for). Looks like it needs to mature further.




Interesting...
By drebo on 7/28/2008 2:17:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's an interesting concept, and I kind of like the search layout.

However, it's incredibly slow, and the images have nothing to do with the website.




SearchMe
By Bainne on 7/28/2008 3:09:27 PM , Rating: 2
Even though it still in Beta phase I like using SearchMe - Great if I don't know exactly what I am looking for or want to purchase something and can filter out the crapy websites from the more proffesional ones, or determine relevance by the design/layout of the page and other things they offer or feature.
CUIL is an interesting concept, I just find it to busy. I don't want to have to read the synopsis to find out if it is relevant or not. Text only is much easier to scan through.




works for me
By Borkil on 7/28/2008 5:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
well at least i can get porn from it, good enough for me




Compared... not comparable
By swizeus on 7/28/2008 9:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
I have compared both sites and i think google is still better in many ways... Google seldom say Oops... what you search cannot be found (by us) while Cuil has a lot of keyword that cannot be found. Second, Google relevancy IS very high in most cases. Third, google's website is slimmer and faster in many ways (Hardware optimization -- Read : Has a LOT of server -- is ALYWAYS better than software optimization)

on the bright side, cuil has it's own unique search experience and for a company that came out of nowhere, this is good




Cuil? Ciul? Cool? Kool?
By MagicSquid on 7/28/2008 10:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
I tried to go to Cuil's website to try it out, but I misspelled it. Fortunately, Google knew what I was looking for, and found it for me.




Failed my first test.....
By kilkennycat on 7/28/2008 10:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
For a first test, I typed GTX9800+ in Cuil early this morning (before this article was published in Daily Tech). Completed the search and failed to find anything at all. Google got many pages... as usual... Tried Cuil again just now.. with the following reply "No results because of high load..."

Seems as if Cuil is not at all ready for prime-time. It certainly should not have had any form of public release in its current form and with limited server capacity.




Not So Bad
By bldckstark on 7/29/2008 12:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
I typed in Windows Home Server, and it started giving suggestions in a drop down box before I got done typing it in. The top 10 hits were all the most relevant sites I have found for that operating system, with no multiple hits for the same site.

I think I will use it for items that I know are out there, but google for items I am trying to find.




Horrible
By P2S9 on 7/30/2008 11:59:55 PM , Rating: 2
Tried this search engine earlier today. It's horrible, first time and never again. Long live google!




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